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		<title>By: alcaray</title>
		<link>https://habitablezone.com/2013/07/16/zimmerman-martin/#comment-25167</link>
		<dc:creator>alcaray</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 18 Jul 2013 02:48:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It freaking tells the jury how to decide what they have to decide.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It freaking tells the jury how to decide what they have to decide.</p>
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		<title>By: TB</title>
		<link>https://habitablezone.com/2013/07/16/zimmerman-martin/#comment-25162</link>
		<dc:creator>TB</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 18 Jul 2013 01:58:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;P.S.&lt;/p&gt;

Remember, the issue here is that &quot;Stand Your Ground&quot; is being sold by the Democrats as the fundamental thing underlying this entire trial and crime.  The &quot;take-home&quot; for the uninformed voter is that without this law, the verdict would have been different or the crime may not even have happened.

I may be splitting hairs, but unlike the Democrats I&#039;m not taking a hair and trying to construct an entire Sasquatch out of it.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>P.S.</p>
<p>Remember, the issue here is that &#8220;Stand Your Ground&#8221; is being sold by the Democrats as the fundamental thing underlying this entire trial and crime.  The &#8220;take-home&#8221; for the uninformed voter is that without this law, the verdict would have been different or the crime may not even have happened.</p>
<p>I may be splitting hairs, but unlike the Democrats I&#8217;m not taking a hair and trying to construct an entire Sasquatch out of it.</p>
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		<title>By: alcaray</title>
		<link>https://habitablezone.com/2013/07/16/zimmerman-martin/#comment-25160</link>
		<dc:creator>alcaray</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 18 Jul 2013 01:48:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>That &quot;boilerplate&quot; is argued over quite heatedly, as it matters very much (even just the wording, let alone which laws are cited) to both the prosecution and the defense.  The prosecution and defense modify what they say in front of the jury to take advantage of beneficial parts of the instructions and to minimize the detrimental parts.  Particularly in the closing arguments. 
 
In turn, the judge needs to do a good job on the instructions to keep from giving cause for a retrial.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>That &#8220;boilerplate&#8221; is argued over quite heatedly, as it matters very much (even just the wording, let alone which laws are cited) to both the prosecution and the defense.  The prosecution and defense modify what they say in front of the jury to take advantage of beneficial parts of the instructions and to minimize the detrimental parts.  Particularly in the closing arguments. </p>
<p>In turn, the judge needs to do a good job on the instructions to keep from giving cause for a retrial.</p>
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		<title>By: TB</title>
		<link>https://habitablezone.com/2013/07/16/zimmerman-martin/#comment-25158</link>
		<dc:creator>TB</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 18 Jul 2013 01:43:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The guy who wrote the blog didn&#039;t think it would have &quot;hung&quot; Zimmerman.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The guy who wrote the blog didn&#8217;t think it would have &#8220;hung&#8221; Zimmerman.</p>
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		<title>By: TB</title>
		<link>https://habitablezone.com/2013/07/16/zimmerman-martin/#comment-25156</link>
		<dc:creator>TB</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 18 Jul 2013 01:40:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It was mentioned as part of the standard boilerplate jury instruction given in &lt;em&gt;all&lt;/em&gt; cases of &quot;Justifiable Use of Deadly Force.&quot;

3.6f &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.floridasupremecourt.org/jury_instructions/instructions.shtml#&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;here.&lt;/a&gt;

It was not part of the defense, or the trial as a whole.

&lt;a href=&quot;http://reason.com/blog/2013/07/14/sorry-the-zimmerman-case-still-has-nothi&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Source&lt;/a&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It was mentioned as part of the standard boilerplate jury instruction given in <em>all</em> cases of &#8220;Justifiable Use of Deadly Force.&#8221;</p>
<p>3.6f <a href="http://www.floridasupremecourt.org/jury_instructions/instructions.shtml#" rel="nofollow">here.</a></p>
<p>It was not part of the defense, or the trial as a whole.</p>
<p><a href="http://reason.com/blog/2013/07/14/sorry-the-zimmerman-case-still-has-nothi" rel="nofollow">Source</a></p>
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		<title>By: podrock</title>
		<link>https://habitablezone.com/2013/07/16/zimmerman-martin/#comment-25155</link>
		<dc:creator>podrock</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 18 Jul 2013 01:35:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>As mentioned before? He was accosted by a guy with a gun, fought the attack with the deadly force of his own hands, then was taken down by the even deadlier force of a gun. Zimmerman was the one looking for trouble that sad evening.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>As mentioned before? He was accosted by a guy with a gun, fought the attack with the deadly force of his own hands, then was taken down by the even deadlier force of a gun. Zimmerman was the one looking for trouble that sad evening.</p>
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		<title>By: alcaray</title>
		<link>https://habitablezone.com/2013/07/16/zimmerman-martin/#comment-25154</link>
		<dc:creator>alcaray</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 18 Jul 2013 01:29:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The law was in effect.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The law was in effect.</p>
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		<title>By: Robert</title>
		<link>https://habitablezone.com/2013/07/16/zimmerman-martin/#comment-25153</link>
		<dc:creator>Robert</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 18 Jul 2013 01:23:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Nice try, though.

It&#039;s true that the defense didn&#039;t file a &lt;i&gt;pretrial immunity petition based on &quot;stand your ground&quot;&lt;/i&gt;; that&#039;s why the case even went to trial. But SYG was omnipresent in the trial--the defense&#039;s arguments all boiled down to asserting that Zimmerman legitimately feared for his life and thus had a right to &quot;stand his ground&quot;.

Stop and think for a moment: If SYG laws relieve people of the obligation to use deadly force only if it cannot be avoided, including by giving ground, then if &quot;stand your ground&quot; didn&#039;t apply in this case, then he&#039;s guilty: Zimmerman admitted that he did not back away, but admitted instead that he aggressively pursued a confrontation with Martin. Without SYG, he&#039;d be guilty of at least manslaughter, if not second degree murder, &lt;i&gt;because he stood his ground.&lt;/i&gt;

So yeah, Zimmerman used the stand your ground defense. His lawyers just didn&#039;t do it via a pretrial immunity motion.

That&#039;s not the only hair-splitting technicality that helped Zimmerman escape justice. It turns out (as described in an &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.clickorlando.com/news/reporters-notebook-george-zimmerman-trial/-/1637132/21006812/-/3bvqpp/-/index.html&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Orlando TV reporter&#039;s blog&lt;/a&gt; that the trial judge decided to not instruct the jurors about the &quot;first aggressor&quot; exception to the justifiable use of force law. It condenses down to what you think it means: Zimmerman initiated the confrontation with Martin, thus giving up a defense of reasonable use of force. Had the jurors been told about that law, the jurors would have received additional instructions:

&lt;blockquote&gt; Aggressor.  § 776.041, Fla. Stat.
    (T)he use of deadly force is not justifiable if you find:
   (Defendant) initially provoked the use of force against [himself] [herself], unless:

a.    The force asserted toward the defendant was so great that [he] [she] reasonably believed that [he] [she] was in imminent danger of death or great bodily harm and had exhausted every reasonable means to escape the danger, other than using deadly force on (assailant).
b.    In good faith, the defendant withdrew from physical contact with (assailant) and clearly indicated to(assailant) that [he] [she] wanted to withdraw and stop the use of deadly force, but (assailant) continued or resumed the use of force.&lt;/blockquote&gt;

776.041(b) would have hung Zimmerman.

It&#039;s true once again: The jury decided who had the best lawyer.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Nice try, though.</p>
<p>It&#8217;s true that the defense didn&#8217;t file a <i>pretrial immunity petition based on &#8220;stand your ground&#8221;</i>; that&#8217;s why the case even went to trial. But SYG was omnipresent in the trial&#8211;the defense&#8217;s arguments all boiled down to asserting that Zimmerman legitimately feared for his life and thus had a right to &#8220;stand his ground&#8221;.</p>
<p>Stop and think for a moment: If SYG laws relieve people of the obligation to use deadly force only if it cannot be avoided, including by giving ground, then if &#8220;stand your ground&#8221; didn&#8217;t apply in this case, then he&#8217;s guilty: Zimmerman admitted that he did not back away, but admitted instead that he aggressively pursued a confrontation with Martin. Without SYG, he&#8217;d be guilty of at least manslaughter, if not second degree murder, <i>because he stood his ground.</i></p>
<p>So yeah, Zimmerman used the stand your ground defense. His lawyers just didn&#8217;t do it via a pretrial immunity motion.</p>
<p>That&#8217;s not the only hair-splitting technicality that helped Zimmerman escape justice. It turns out (as described in an <a href="http://www.clickorlando.com/news/reporters-notebook-george-zimmerman-trial/-/1637132/21006812/-/3bvqpp/-/index.html" rel="nofollow">Orlando TV reporter&#8217;s blog</a> that the trial judge decided to not instruct the jurors about the &#8220;first aggressor&#8221; exception to the justifiable use of force law. It condenses down to what you think it means: Zimmerman initiated the confrontation with Martin, thus giving up a defense of reasonable use of force. Had the jurors been told about that law, the jurors would have received additional instructions:</p>
<blockquote><p> Aggressor.  § 776.041, Fla. Stat.<br />
    (T)he use of deadly force is not justifiable if you find:<br />
   (Defendant) initially provoked the use of force against [himself] [herself], unless:</p>
<p>a.    The force asserted toward the defendant was so great that [he] [she] reasonably believed that [he] [she] was in imminent danger of death or great bodily harm and had exhausted every reasonable means to escape the danger, other than using deadly force on (assailant).<br />
b.    In good faith, the defendant withdrew from physical contact with (assailant) and clearly indicated to(assailant) that [he] [she] wanted to withdraw and stop the use of deadly force, but (assailant) continued or resumed the use of force.</p></blockquote>
<p>776.041(b) would have hung Zimmerman.</p>
<p>It&#8217;s true once again: The jury decided who had the best lawyer.</p>
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		<title>By: Jody</title>
		<link>https://habitablezone.com/2013/07/16/zimmerman-martin/#comment-25150</link>
		<dc:creator>Jody</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 18 Jul 2013 01:00:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Well that&#039;s the spirit.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Well that&#8217;s the spirit.</p>
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		<title>By: TB</title>
		<link>https://habitablezone.com/2013/07/16/zimmerman-martin/#comment-25149</link>
		<dc:creator>TB</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 18 Jul 2013 00:51:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>That assumption is being heavily encouraged.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>That assumption is being heavily encouraged.</p>
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