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		<title>By: TB</title>
		<link>https://habitablezone.com/2013/07/18/now-ive-seen-it-all/#comment-25298</link>
		<dc:creator>TB</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 20 Jul 2013 18:56:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;P.S.&lt;/p&gt;

If you actually want to start a conversation on &quot;living wage&quot; laws and dozens of other forms of centralized economic planning, start one.  Preferably a new thread.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>P.S.</p>
<p>If you actually want to start a conversation on &#8220;living wage&#8221; laws and dozens of other forms of centralized economic planning, start one.  Preferably a new thread.</p>
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		<title>By: TB</title>
		<link>https://habitablezone.com/2013/07/18/now-ive-seen-it-all/#comment-25297</link>
		<dc:creator>TB</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 20 Jul 2013 18:45:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I called you on some bullshit.

Chief among the bullshit was that this was not a targeted political attack. Even the council hearings recognized what this was about, and you suddenly backed into that position after your initial post.

The second piece of bullshit was the assertion that &quot;study after study&quot; proves that businesses paying less than this arbitrary &quot;living wage&quot; drain net wealth from a city rather than increase it. It&#039;s obvious that since everyone in D.C. in the same bracket has been paying less than this up until now, the city should have imploded years ago.  I declare that there are no such studies, and never have been.

If this is &quot;minutia,&quot; make the most of it.

Wal-mart will stop being a target of the Left five minutes after they unionize. If you want to know what this is about, take 1.3 million U.S. employees, and multiply by the typical union dues of around $20 a month.

Detroit had a specific type of &quot;governance&quot; for about half a century. Chicago is circling the same drain.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I called you on some bullshit.</p>
<p>Chief among the bullshit was that this was not a targeted political attack. Even the council hearings recognized what this was about, and you suddenly backed into that position after your initial post.</p>
<p>The second piece of bullshit was the assertion that &#8220;study after study&#8221; proves that businesses paying less than this arbitrary &#8220;living wage&#8221; drain net wealth from a city rather than increase it. It&#8217;s obvious that since everyone in D.C. in the same bracket has been paying less than this up until now, the city should have imploded years ago.  I declare that there are no such studies, and never have been.</p>
<p>If this is &#8220;minutia,&#8221; make the most of it.</p>
<p>Wal-mart will stop being a target of the Left five minutes after they unionize. If you want to know what this is about, take 1.3 million U.S. employees, and multiply by the typical union dues of around $20 a month.</p>
<p>Detroit had a specific type of &#8220;governance&#8221; for about half a century. Chicago is circling the same drain.</p>
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		<title>By: Robert</title>
		<link>https://habitablezone.com/2013/07/18/now-ive-seen-it-all/#comment-25294</link>
		<dc:creator>Robert</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 20 Jul 2013 18:13:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>you&#039;ve managed to derail a conversation about living wage laws into the deadend minutiae of how many time a string of characters occurred in one variation of a legal document.

Just as the teabaggers in the House take pride in obstructing governance, you seem to take great pride in obstructing discussion. You represent a conservatism that&#039;s devolved into nothing more than a reflexive &quot;no!&quot;.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>you&#8217;ve managed to derail a conversation about living wage laws into the deadend minutiae of how many time a string of characters occurred in one variation of a legal document.</p>
<p>Just as the teabaggers in the House take pride in obstructing governance, you seem to take great pride in obstructing discussion. You represent a conservatism that&#8217;s devolved into nothing more than a reflexive &#8220;no!&#8221;.</p>
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		<title>By: TB</title>
		<link>https://habitablezone.com/2013/07/18/now-ive-seen-it-all/#comment-25283</link>
		<dc:creator>TB</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 20 Jul 2013 04:43:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This kind of crap is going on in dozens, if not hundreds of cities across the country. The political bar for building a business, especially one that needs a lot of capital, is getting higher all the time.

And cities are dying from it.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This kind of crap is going on in dozens, if not hundreds of cities across the country. The political bar for building a business, especially one that needs a lot of capital, is getting higher all the time.</p>
<p>And cities are dying from it.</p>
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		<title>By: TB</title>
		<link>https://habitablezone.com/2013/07/18/now-ive-seen-it-all/#comment-25282</link>
		<dc:creator>TB</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 20 Jul 2013 04:23:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;It was in the version I found, linked in a comment below.&lt;/p&gt;

It was listed under &quot;engrossments&quot; on &lt;a href=&quot;http://dcclims1.dccouncil.us/lims/legislation.aspx?LegNo=B20-0062&amp;Description=LARGERETAILERACCOUNTABILITYACTOF2013&amp;ID=44165&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;this page.&lt;/a&gt; What you linked was the &quot;introduction.&quot;

Every news story I read about this program, mainstream or otherwise, accepts as a given that this was targeted at Wal-mart. Hell, your original post (&quot;Washington DC&quot;) implied nothing else.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It was in the version I found, linked in a comment below.</p>
<p>It was listed under &#8220;engrossments&#8221; on <a href="http://dcclims1.dccouncil.us/lims/legislation.aspx?LegNo=B20-0062&amp;Description=LARGERETAILERACCOUNTABILITYACTOF2013&amp;ID=44165" rel="nofollow">this page.</a> What you linked was the &#8220;introduction.&#8221;</p>
<p>Every news story I read about this program, mainstream or otherwise, accepts as a given that this was targeted at Wal-mart. Hell, your original post (&#8220;Washington DC&#8221;) implied nothing else.</p>
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		<title>By: Robert</title>
		<link>https://habitablezone.com/2013/07/18/now-ive-seen-it-all/#comment-25281</link>
		<dc:creator>Robert</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 20 Jul 2013 03:42:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Not to put too fine a point on it, but I can&#039;t find WalMart named even once in that document. And because it&#039;s a scan I couldn&#039;t search but had to read it, so thanks for wasting ten minutes.

As for the rest of your gibbering...you still haven&#039;t read the law, have you? Check out Section 2, &lt;i&gt;which begins on page fucking one&lt;/i&gt; and lays out the rationale behind the policy in small words that you should be able to follow. Despite your random eructation of the word &quot;random&quot;, it&#039;s all spelled out for you. Read it.

Rube.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Not to put too fine a point on it, but I can&#8217;t find WalMart named even once in that document. And because it&#8217;s a scan I couldn&#8217;t search but had to read it, so thanks for wasting ten minutes.</p>
<p>As for the rest of your gibbering&#8230;you still haven&#8217;t read the law, have you? Check out Section 2, <i>which begins on page fucking one</i> and lays out the rationale behind the policy in small words that you should be able to follow. Despite your random eructation of the word &#8220;random&#8221;, it&#8217;s all spelled out for you. Read it.</p>
<p>Rube.</p>
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		<title>By: TB</title>
		<link>https://habitablezone.com/2013/07/18/now-ive-seen-it-all/#comment-25280</link>
		<dc:creator>TB</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 20 Jul 2013 02:51:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;I notice you dodged a point.&lt;/p&gt;

If &quot;study after study&quot; tells us that wages below $12.50 are &quot;poverty wages&quot; requiring subsidy from the city, explain how all the thousand of other jobs in the city at the lower minimum wages are managing without sucking the city dry.

Remember, this $12.50 minimum wage doesn&#039;t exist at all in D.C. right now.

This whole thing is a sop to their leftist constituency. They know damn well it will probably get vetoed, same as a similar law in Chicago did. &quot;Well, we tried.&quot;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I notice you dodged a point.</p>
<p>If &#8220;study after study&#8221; tells us that wages below $12.50 are &#8220;poverty wages&#8221; requiring subsidy from the city, explain how all the thousand of other jobs in the city at the lower minimum wages are managing without sucking the city dry.</p>
<p>Remember, this $12.50 minimum wage doesn&#8217;t exist at all in D.C. right now.</p>
<p>This whole thing is a sop to their leftist constituency. They know damn well it will probably get vetoed, same as a similar law in Chicago did. &#8220;Well, we tried.&#8221;</p>
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		<title>By: TB</title>
		<link>https://habitablezone.com/2013/07/18/now-ive-seen-it-all/#comment-25279</link>
		<dc:creator>TB</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 20 Jul 2013 02:41:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;I drive through Wendover on the way to the Midwest.&lt;/p&gt;

I stay there now and then, too. I know what you&#039;re talking about.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I drive through Wendover on the way to the Midwest.</p>
<p>I stay there now and then, too. I know what you&#8217;re talking about.</p>
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		<title>By: TB</title>
		<link>https://habitablezone.com/2013/07/18/now-ive-seen-it-all/#comment-25277</link>
		<dc:creator>TB</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 20 Jul 2013 02:33:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Okay, let&#039;s all pretend that the Washington city council decided workers needed a break on wages. Straightforward and simple.

So they randomly picked those business characteristics out of a hat. Somehow square footage is very important, as is the size of the owner company. Somehow it&#039;s not important to include &quot;banks, conventions, credit unions, educational institutions, franchisees, hospitals, hotels, restaurants, savings institutions and trade shows.&quot; Fuck living wages for those guys.

And of course, we allow a waiver if the store unionizes, which excludes any unionized stores.

Gee, who all is left standing?

And not to put too fine a point on it, Wal-mart is specifically named in the law. Twice.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Okay, let&#8217;s all pretend that the Washington city council decided workers needed a break on wages. Straightforward and simple.</p>
<p>So they randomly picked those business characteristics out of a hat. Somehow square footage is very important, as is the size of the owner company. Somehow it&#8217;s not important to include &#8220;banks, conventions, credit unions, educational institutions, franchisees, hospitals, hotels, restaurants, savings institutions and trade shows.&#8221; Fuck living wages for those guys.</p>
<p>And of course, we allow a waiver if the store unionizes, which excludes any unionized stores.</p>
<p>Gee, who all is left standing?</p>
<p>And not to put too fine a point on it, Wal-mart is specifically named in the law. Twice.</p>
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		<title>By: Robert</title>
		<link>https://habitablezone.com/2013/07/18/now-ive-seen-it-all/#comment-25276</link>
		<dc:creator>Robert</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 20 Jul 2013 01:40:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Really, Tom? &quot;everyone knows&quot;?

Here&#039;s the key to how your mind works: There&#039;s always a villain.

Nothing (that you don&#039;t like) ever happens for straightforward, simple reasons. There&#039;s always a villain who is guilty of making it happen to further their own nefarious, hidden agenda (hidden except to you).

You know what that state of mind is called, don&#039;t you?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Really, Tom? &#8220;everyone knows&#8221;?</p>
<p>Here&#8217;s the key to how your mind works: There&#8217;s always a villain.</p>
<p>Nothing (that you don&#8217;t like) ever happens for straightforward, simple reasons. There&#8217;s always a villain who is guilty of making it happen to further their own nefarious, hidden agenda (hidden except to you).</p>
<p>You know what that state of mind is called, don&#8217;t you?</p>
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