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		<title>By: TB</title>
		<link>https://habitablezone.com/2013/08/15/hovering-grasshopper-landing-falcon/#comment-26202</link>
		<dc:creator>TB</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 18 Aug 2013 19:21:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;DC-X wasn&#039;t my work.&lt;/p&gt;

I helped develop the &quot;Phoenix&quot; SSTO concept with Gary (note t-shirts) that was an inspiration for the DC-X, but I did no work or engineering on the DC-X itself.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>DC-X wasn&#8217;t my work.</p>
<p>I helped develop the &#8220;Phoenix&#8221; SSTO concept with Gary (note t-shirts) that was an inspiration for the DC-X, but I did no work or engineering on the DC-X itself.</p>
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		<title>By: bowser</title>
		<link>https://habitablezone.com/2013/08/15/hovering-grasshopper-landing-falcon/#comment-26201</link>
		<dc:creator>bowser</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 18 Aug 2013 18:33:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Good job!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Good job!</p>
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		<title>By: TB</title>
		<link>https://habitablezone.com/2013/08/15/hovering-grasshopper-landing-falcon/#comment-26200</link>
		<dc:creator>TB</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 18 Aug 2013 03:46:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;&quot;What did the DC-X teach us?&quot;&lt;/p&gt;

Website &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.lcaerospace.com/&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;here.&lt;/a&gt;

&lt;img src=&quot;http://habitablezone.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/08/SC-XinOrbit.jpg&quot; alt=&quot;&quot; /&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;What did the DC-X teach us?&#8221;</p>
<p>Website <a href="http://www.lcaerospace.com/" rel="nofollow">here.</a></p>
<p><img src="http://habitablezone.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/08/SC-XinOrbit.jpg" alt="" /></p>
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		<title>By: TB</title>
		<link>https://habitablezone.com/2013/08/15/hovering-grasshopper-landing-falcon/#comment-26181</link>
		<dc:creator>TB</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 16 Aug 2013 21:30:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Some stuff on first stage VTOVL recovery:&lt;/p&gt;

The first stage of a multi-stage rocket is much less weight-sensitive than upper stages. Saving some fuel for a landing would not have the payload penalty that an upper stage or space capsule using a rocket landing would.  The fuel percentage would be far less than 50 percent, but I don&#039;t have any hard data on what it would actually be.

It would be almost empty at landing, and not weigh much. Weight penalties for a rocket-recoverable first stage (aside from the fuel) include the landing legs.

Parachutes weigh something too. A lot, for large stages.

One problem is trajectories. It&#039;s very difficult to work a stage-one burn trajectory to allow a ballistic landing at or near the launch site, although I&#039;ve seen some interesting &quot;dogleg&quot; tricks (on paper) to solve this. Easiest solution is a downrange landing site. Unfortunately, almost everything downrange of any eastern launch site is ocean, and overland launch sites give regulators hives.

Another problem is aerodynamics of the &quot;fall&quot; before you light the rocket. Not hard to get an unrecoverable spin started, and some solutions involve a small &quot;drogue&quot; chute just for stabilization, not slowing.

An upper-stage or orbital recovery would be at velocities where re-entry heating would be an issue, although the high velocity also gives you a lot more margin on landing sites.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Some stuff on first stage VTOVL recovery:</p>
<p>The first stage of a multi-stage rocket is much less weight-sensitive than upper stages. Saving some fuel for a landing would not have the payload penalty that an upper stage or space capsule using a rocket landing would.  The fuel percentage would be far less than 50 percent, but I don&#8217;t have any hard data on what it would actually be.</p>
<p>It would be almost empty at landing, and not weigh much. Weight penalties for a rocket-recoverable first stage (aside from the fuel) include the landing legs.</p>
<p>Parachutes weigh something too. A lot, for large stages.</p>
<p>One problem is trajectories. It&#8217;s very difficult to work a stage-one burn trajectory to allow a ballistic landing at or near the launch site, although I&#8217;ve seen some interesting &#8220;dogleg&#8221; tricks (on paper) to solve this. Easiest solution is a downrange landing site. Unfortunately, almost everything downrange of any eastern launch site is ocean, and overland launch sites give regulators hives.</p>
<p>Another problem is aerodynamics of the &#8220;fall&#8221; before you light the rocket. Not hard to get an unrecoverable spin started, and some solutions involve a small &#8220;drogue&#8221; chute just for stabilization, not slowing.</p>
<p>An upper-stage or orbital recovery would be at velocities where re-entry heating would be an issue, although the high velocity also gives you a lot more margin on landing sites.</p>
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		<title>By: TB</title>
		<link>https://habitablezone.com/2013/08/15/hovering-grasshopper-landing-falcon/#comment-26180</link>
		<dc:creator>TB</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 16 Aug 2013 21:18:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;I had no problem with your post.&lt;/p&gt;

It showed us a cool film from SpaceX of their test, and was never intended to be a comprehensive article on the subject.

But I&#039;d been reading other articles in the news about the test, and some of them seemed to think this was the first time this had been done. Heck, I think even Armadillo was doing things along this line.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I had no problem with your post.</p>
<p>It showed us a cool film from SpaceX of their test, and was never intended to be a comprehensive article on the subject.</p>
<p>But I&#8217;d been reading other articles in the news about the test, and some of them seemed to think this was the first time this had been done. Heck, I think even Armadillo was doing things along this line.</p>
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		<title>By: Robert</title>
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		<dc:creator>Robert</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 16 Aug 2013 20:23:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>NBC News was listening, Tom: &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.nbcnews.com/science/20-years-ago-novel-dc-x-reusable-rocket-launched-history-6C10936007&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;http://www.nbcnews.com/science/20-years-ago-novel-dc-x-reusable-rocket-launched-history-6C10936007&lt;/a&gt;. They even picked up your image.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>NBC News was listening, Tom: <a href="http://www.nbcnews.com/science/20-years-ago-novel-dc-x-reusable-rocket-launched-history-6C10936007" rel="nofollow">http://www.nbcnews.com/science/20-years-ago-novel-dc-x-reusable-rocket-launched-history-6C10936007</a>. They even picked up your image.</p>
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		<title>By: Robert</title>
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		<dc:creator>Robert</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 16 Aug 2013 18:31:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Sorry, wasn&#039;t intentionally trying to write you and Hudson out of history. But that was a couple of decades ago, right?

This isn&#039;t about ranking one effort against the other. I just think the sight of a real-life rocket hovering, then landing on its tail on a pillar of fire, like something from a &#039;50s sci-fi flick, is just totally awesome. It doesn&#039;t get old, just as the sight of a Shuttle floating to a landing like a 737 never got old. There&#039;s just something about sci-fi become reality that I find so compelling.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Sorry, wasn&#8217;t intentionally trying to write you and Hudson out of history. But that was a couple of decades ago, right?</p>
<p>This isn&#8217;t about ranking one effort against the other. I just think the sight of a real-life rocket hovering, then landing on its tail on a pillar of fire, like something from a &#8217;50s sci-fi flick, is just totally awesome. It doesn&#8217;t get old, just as the sight of a Shuttle floating to a landing like a 737 never got old. There&#8217;s just something about sci-fi become reality that I find so compelling.</p>
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		<title>By: Robert</title>
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		<dc:creator>Robert</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 16 Aug 2013 18:25:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Dude, I just posted a cool video ;-) I&#039;m not a spokesman for SpaceX.

Disclaimer out of the way...

I sure hope the percentage of fuel used for landing is somewhere south of 50% ;-)

I&#039;d say that your second question is interesting when I think about that thing finally operational. You&#039;d think that at some point coming back from orbit, there&#039;s an aerodynamic regime in the middle, after the fireball phase, where a parachute would be an effective way to slow down, before you fire off the expensive rockets for the final touchdown. I don&#039;t know if they&#039;re doing it, but I hope they considered it.

If they did, it would look a bit like Curiosity. At first I didn&#039;t think there was much comparison, but thinking about how a parachute might work does make the resemblance to the parachute-then-skycrane profile more obvious. Yeah, it could work. Maybe even better in a thicker atmosphere.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Dude, I just posted a cool video <img src='https://habitablezone.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_wink.gif' alt=';-)' class='wp-smiley' />  I&#8217;m not a spokesman for SpaceX.</p>
<p>Disclaimer out of the way&#8230;</p>
<p>I sure hope the percentage of fuel used for landing is somewhere south of 50% <img src='https://habitablezone.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_wink.gif' alt=';-)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
<p>I&#8217;d say that your second question is interesting when I think about that thing finally operational. You&#8217;d think that at some point coming back from orbit, there&#8217;s an aerodynamic regime in the middle, after the fireball phase, where a parachute would be an effective way to slow down, before you fire off the expensive rockets for the final touchdown. I don&#8217;t know if they&#8217;re doing it, but I hope they considered it.</p>
<p>If they did, it would look a bit like Curiosity. At first I didn&#8217;t think there was much comparison, but thinking about how a parachute might work does make the resemblance to the parachute-then-skycrane profile more obvious. Yeah, it could work. Maybe even better in a thicker atmosphere.</p>
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		<title>By: TB</title>
		<link>https://habitablezone.com/2013/08/15/hovering-grasshopper-landing-falcon/#comment-26154</link>
		<dc:creator>TB</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 16 Aug 2013 01:35:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;How soon we forget.&lt;/p&gt;

Some articles are talking like nothing has ever done a lateral maneuver before.

&lt;img src=&quot;http://www.dc-xspacequest.org/uploads/3/1/6/3/3163746/5911027_orig.jpg?437&quot; alt=&quot;&quot; /&gt;

Gary and me at the DC-X site back in the day...

&lt;img src=&quot;http://habitablezone.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/08/DCX-1.jpg&quot; alt=&quot;&quot; width=&quot;300&quot;/&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>How soon we forget.</p>
<p>Some articles are talking like nothing has ever done a lateral maneuver before.</p>
<p><img src="http://www.dc-xspacequest.org/uploads/3/1/6/3/3163746/5911027_orig.jpg?437" alt="" /></p>
<p>Gary and me at the DC-X site back in the day&#8230;</p>
<p><img src="http://habitablezone.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/08/DCX-1.jpg" alt="" width="300"/></p>
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		<title>By: RobVG</title>
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		<dc:creator>RobVG</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 16 Aug 2013 00:42:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>What percentage of the fuel is needed for landing?

Will they use a parachute that would reduce the amount of fuel to land?

Curiosity used a large parachute to slow it down, and then fired off the Skycrane.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>What percentage of the fuel is needed for landing?</p>
<p>Will they use a parachute that would reduce the amount of fuel to land?</p>
<p>Curiosity used a large parachute to slow it down, and then fired off the Skycrane.</p>
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