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		<title>By: SteveS</title>
		<link>https://habitablezone.com/2013/10/11/objects-in-space/#comment-27856</link>
		<dc:creator>SteveS</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 15 Oct 2013 20:11:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Yeah, had ly stuck in my head.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yeah, had ly stuck in my head.</p>
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		<title>By: ER</title>
		<link>https://habitablezone.com/2013/10/11/objects-in-space/#comment-27843</link>
		<dc:creator>ER</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 15 Oct 2013 16:36:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>or even how to define precisely where the &quot;surface&quot; of the disc is.  These stars must look more like spherical clouds, with fuzzy edges, not a sharp limb like our own sun.

No I was referring to the size of the disc, which in your original post you listed in &quot;ly&quot;.

&lt;blockquote&gt;&quot;...but Betelgeuse is 5.5 &lt;strong&gt;ly&lt;/strong&gt; in diameter...&quot;&lt;/blockquote&gt;

I think you really meant &quot;AU&quot;.  No big deal, I figured it was just a typo. No star is light-years in diameter.

Stars are a few light-seconds across, the biggest ones like Betelgeuse a few light-minutes.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>or even how to define precisely where the &#8220;surface&#8221; of the disc is.  These stars must look more like spherical clouds, with fuzzy edges, not a sharp limb like our own sun.</p>
<p>No I was referring to the size of the disc, which in your original post you listed in &#8220;ly&#8221;.</p>
<blockquote><p>&#8220;&#8230;but Betelgeuse is 5.5 <strong>ly</strong> in diameter&#8230;&#8221;</p></blockquote>
<p>I think you really meant &#8220;AU&#8221;.  No big deal, I figured it was just a typo. No star is light-years in diameter.</p>
<p>Stars are a few light-seconds across, the biggest ones like Betelgeuse a few light-minutes.</p>
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		<title>By: SteveS</title>
		<link>https://habitablezone.com/2013/10/11/objects-in-space/#comment-27831</link>
		<dc:creator>SteveS</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 15 Oct 2013 13:58:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I used rounded off numbers from &lt;a href=&quot;http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Betelgeuse#Diameter &quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Wikipedia&lt;/a&gt;

I don&#039;t know what numbers the author in the comparisons used and that is why it raised my interest. It didn&#039;t seem right to me.

&lt;em&gt;Snips from Wiki&lt;/em&gt;



&lt;blockquote&gt;Its distance from Earth is 641.8 light-years
Combining these data with historical distance estimates of 180 to 815 ly yields a projected radius of the stellar disk of anywhere from 1.2 to 8.9 AU.

Using the Solar System for comparison, the orbit of Mars is about 1.5 AU, Ceres in the asteroid belt 2.7 AU, Jupiter 5.5 AU—so, assuming Betelgeuse occupying the place of the Sun, its photosphere might extend beyond the Jovian orbit, not quite reaching Saturn at 9.5 AU.&lt;/blockquote&gt;

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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I used rounded off numbers from <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Betelgeuse#Diameter " rel="nofollow">Wikipedia</a></p>
<p>I don&#8217;t know what numbers the author in the comparisons used and that is why it raised my interest. It didn&#8217;t seem right to me.</p>
<p><em>Snips from Wiki</em></p>
<blockquote><p>Its distance from Earth is 641.8 light-years<br />
Combining these data with historical distance estimates of 180 to 815 ly yields a projected radius of the stellar disk of anywhere from 1.2 to 8.9 AU.</p>
<p>Using the Solar System for comparison, the orbit of Mars is about 1.5 AU, Ceres in the asteroid belt 2.7 AU, Jupiter 5.5 AU—so, assuming Betelgeuse occupying the place of the Sun, its photosphere might extend beyond the Jovian orbit, not quite reaching Saturn at 9.5 AU.</p></blockquote>
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		<title>By: ER</title>
		<link>https://habitablezone.com/2013/10/11/objects-in-space/#comment-27823</link>
		<dc:creator>ER</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 15 Oct 2013 04:02:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Gibbous this day our daily bread.

It&#039;s not a blessing.  These are the End Times, Brother.  It&#039;s god&#039;s way of telling us we&#039;re fucked.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Gibbous this day our daily bread.</p>
<p>It&#8217;s not a blessing.  These are the End Times, Brother.  It&#8217;s god&#8217;s way of telling us we&#8217;re fucked.</p>
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		<title>By: TB</title>
		<link>https://habitablezone.com/2013/10/11/objects-in-space/#comment-27822</link>
		<dc:creator>TB</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 15 Oct 2013 03:32:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;And a temporary coincidence at that.&lt;/p&gt;

Due to precession, Polaris has only been a true pole star for the past several centuries. It will get closest to the pole position in about another 100 years, then drift back out.

Interestingly, due to the slow movement of the Moon&#039;s orbit outward over the eons, hundreds of millions of years ago the Moon was closer, and completely covered the sun so there were no annular eclipses. Hundreds of millions of years from now, the Moon won&#039;t be able to cover the whole sun. Only in this era are those cool &quot;ring&quot; effects possible.

So if these are signs from God blessing the Earth, they must be a specific blessing on our particular time on it.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>And a temporary coincidence at that.</p>
<p>Due to precession, Polaris has only been a true pole star for the past several centuries. It will get closest to the pole position in about another 100 years, then drift back out.</p>
<p>Interestingly, due to the slow movement of the Moon&#8217;s orbit outward over the eons, hundreds of millions of years ago the Moon was closer, and completely covered the sun so there were no annular eclipses. Hundreds of millions of years from now, the Moon won&#8217;t be able to cover the whole sun. Only in this era are those cool &#8220;ring&#8221; effects possible.</p>
<p>So if these are signs from God blessing the Earth, they must be a specific blessing on our particular time on it.</p>
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		<title>By: ER</title>
		<link>https://habitablezone.com/2013/10/11/objects-in-space/#comment-27821</link>
		<dc:creator>ER</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 15 Oct 2013 03:07:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Alhough the ancient Polynesians could find their way around the South Seas fine without a southern Pole Star.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Alhough the ancient Polynesians could find their way around the South Seas fine without a southern Pole Star.</p>
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		<title>By: ER</title>
		<link>https://habitablezone.com/2013/10/11/objects-in-space/#comment-27820</link>
		<dc:creator>ER</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 15 Oct 2013 02:59:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>If he really wanted to tell us something, he should just tell us up front and not scare the hell out of us with eclipses.

Actually, both the moon and sun vary in size, depending on how far away they are from earth.  In the case of the moon, the difference is considerable, and easily measurable with a sextant. Navigators have to correct for the variation to determine their position accurately at sea.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>If he really wanted to tell us something, he should just tell us up front and not scare the hell out of us with eclipses.</p>
<p>Actually, both the moon and sun vary in size, depending on how far away they are from earth.  In the case of the moon, the difference is considerable, and easily measurable with a sextant. Navigators have to correct for the variation to determine their position accurately at sea.</p>
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		<title>By: RobVG</title>
		<link>https://habitablezone.com/2013/10/11/objects-in-space/#comment-27818</link>
		<dc:creator>RobVG</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 15 Oct 2013 01:52:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I mean, what are the odds? Some say it&#039;s a sign from God. The rest say it&#039;s random.

All I know is the coincidence allowed us to view light being bent by gravity.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I mean, what are the odds? Some say it&#8217;s a sign from God. The rest say it&#8217;s random.</p>
<p>All I know is the coincidence allowed us to view light being bent by gravity.</p>
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		<title>By: ER</title>
		<link>https://habitablezone.com/2013/10/11/objects-in-space/#comment-27810</link>
		<dc:creator>ER</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 15 Oct 2013 00:13:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>5.5 AU seems about reasonable for a red supergiant.

At 600 ly, a diameter of 5.5 ly would mean its disc would appear 5.5/600 radians = about 1/2 a degree, or about the apparent size of the solar or lunar disc.

Sorry, don&#039;t mean to nitpick. Still, its pretty big.  If Betelgeuse was placed where our sun is, Mars would be orbiting inside it.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>5.5 AU seems about reasonable for a red supergiant.</p>
<p>At 600 ly, a diameter of 5.5 ly would mean its disc would appear 5.5/600 radians = about 1/2 a degree, or about the apparent size of the solar or lunar disc.</p>
<p>Sorry, don&#8217;t mean to nitpick. Still, its pretty big.  If Betelgeuse was placed where our sun is, Mars would be orbiting inside it.</p>
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		<title>By: SteveS</title>
		<link>https://habitablezone.com/2013/10/11/objects-in-space/#comment-27784</link>
		<dc:creator>SteveS</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 14 Oct 2013 17:12:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Telling that Betelgeuse, Phobos and Deimos are on the same comparison. Phobos and Deimos don&#039;t even make the top 90 known bodies in our solar system 200 miles in diameter, but Betelgeuse is 5.5 ly in diameter and over 600 ly away.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Telling that Betelgeuse, Phobos and Deimos are on the same comparison. Phobos and Deimos don&#8217;t even make the top 90 known bodies in our solar system 200 miles in diameter, but Betelgeuse is 5.5 ly in diameter and over 600 ly away.</p>
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