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		<title>By: ER</title>
		<link>https://habitablezone.com/2013/10/18/yo-robert/#comment-28016</link>
		<dc:creator>ER</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 23 Oct 2013 02:36:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>To make the individual completely dependent on the economic order for everything he needs, all the goods and services he consumes, and for the employment he must have to afford those goods and services.  If he doesn&#039;t like his sitation, he has the &quot;freedom&quot; to withdraw from his employment, (quit his job) or to become an employer himself.  Yeah, right. He also has the freedom to starve, a freedom he may wind up exercising no matter how much or how skillfully he works to avoid it.

Meanwhile, without any of the alternatives offered by other forms of organization (such as self-government) he is forced to rely on only one institution for all social and economic support, an institution that considers him, at best, as an expensive obligation which must be disposed of as quickly as possible.

In the meantime, government goes on, maintaining the physical and security infrastructure that capitalism requires, the cops and courts and, of course, the fleets and legions that protect the markets and the raw materials. Whatever it takes. The rest of us are on our own.  Get a job.

And the capitalist, (or those who fancy themselves capitalists), are all for this.  They feel right at home in this system, it rewards their agressive, competitive natures, their boundless aquisitivenness.  That is, until the system turns on them, which it eventually does.  Then they go looking for a scapegoat to blame it all on.  How they were betrayed, stabbed in the back, lied to, abandoned, sold down the river.

Get a job.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>To make the individual completely dependent on the economic order for everything he needs, all the goods and services he consumes, and for the employment he must have to afford those goods and services.  If he doesn&#8217;t like his sitation, he has the &#8220;freedom&#8221; to withdraw from his employment, (quit his job) or to become an employer himself.  Yeah, right. He also has the freedom to starve, a freedom he may wind up exercising no matter how much or how skillfully he works to avoid it.</p>
<p>Meanwhile, without any of the alternatives offered by other forms of organization (such as self-government) he is forced to rely on only one institution for all social and economic support, an institution that considers him, at best, as an expensive obligation which must be disposed of as quickly as possible.</p>
<p>In the meantime, government goes on, maintaining the physical and security infrastructure that capitalism requires, the cops and courts and, of course, the fleets and legions that protect the markets and the raw materials. Whatever it takes. The rest of us are on our own.  Get a job.</p>
<p>And the capitalist, (or those who fancy themselves capitalists), are all for this.  They feel right at home in this system, it rewards their agressive, competitive natures, their boundless aquisitivenness.  That is, until the system turns on them, which it eventually does.  Then they go looking for a scapegoat to blame it all on.  How they were betrayed, stabbed in the back, lied to, abandoned, sold down the river.</p>
<p>Get a job.</p>
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		<title>By: Robert</title>
		<link>https://habitablezone.com/2013/10/18/yo-robert/#comment-28012</link>
		<dc:creator>Robert</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 23 Oct 2013 01:46:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Capitalism is the enemy of democracy. Without restraints, and without any conscious conspiracy, capitalism will slowly but surely mutate a democracy into some variation of a feudal order. It does so organically, by establishing economic power relationships wholly outside the officially-egalitarian system...and most crucially, &lt;i&gt;deniably&lt;/i&gt; outside the official order. That&#039;s what lets conservatives posture about how the only threat to (technical) freedom is a tyrannical government, and willfully ignore the real and much more oppressive economic order.

I have contact with the &quot;tyrannical&quot; Federal government perhaps once a year, when I pay taxes.

I&#039;m in contact with laissez-faire capitalism on a daily basis.

Who &lt;i&gt;really&lt;/i&gt; oppresses us more?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Capitalism is the enemy of democracy. Without restraints, and without any conscious conspiracy, capitalism will slowly but surely mutate a democracy into some variation of a feudal order. It does so organically, by establishing economic power relationships wholly outside the officially-egalitarian system&#8230;and most crucially, <i>deniably</i> outside the official order. That&#8217;s what lets conservatives posture about how the only threat to (technical) freedom is a tyrannical government, and willfully ignore the real and much more oppressive economic order.</p>
<p>I have contact with the &#8220;tyrannical&#8221; Federal government perhaps once a year, when I pay taxes.</p>
<p>I&#8217;m in contact with laissez-faire capitalism on a daily basis.</p>
<p>Who <i>really</i> oppresses us more?</p>
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		<title>By: ER</title>
		<link>https://habitablezone.com/2013/10/18/yo-robert/#comment-28011</link>
		<dc:creator>ER</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 23 Oct 2013 01:02:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Yeah, that&#039;s pretty much my assessment. There is no conspiracy, but its not freedom, either.  It&#039;s something in between. Maybe its freedom for the conspirators, Brownian Motion for everybody else.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yeah, that&#8217;s pretty much my assessment. There is no conspiracy, but its not freedom, either.  It&#8217;s something in between. Maybe its freedom for the conspirators, Brownian Motion for everybody else.</p>
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		<title>By: Robert</title>
		<link>https://habitablezone.com/2013/10/18/yo-robert/#comment-28000</link>
		<dc:creator>Robert</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 22 Oct 2013 22:45:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>If those in power stand to benefit from scaring the populace and stampeding it in the desired direction (see &quot;authoritarian conservatism&quot;), then those in power will select from events those that will benefit them, and foster and promote them through fearmongering and demagoguery; and downplay or suppress non-beneficial developments. 9/11 filled the vacuum left by the fall of the Soviet Union, no conspiracy necessary....just opportunism

Causality is diffused, and becomes something like the force of selection acting in evolution. Events evolve in a generally desirable direction from someobody&#039;s viewpoint, but no individual&#039;s fingerprints will ever be found.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>If those in power stand to benefit from scaring the populace and stampeding it in the desired direction (see &#8220;authoritarian conservatism&#8221;), then those in power will select from events those that will benefit them, and foster and promote them through fearmongering and demagoguery; and downplay or suppress non-beneficial developments. 9/11 filled the vacuum left by the fall of the Soviet Union, no conspiracy necessary&#8230;.just opportunism</p>
<p>Causality is diffused, and becomes something like the force of selection acting in evolution. Events evolve in a generally desirable direction from someobody&#8217;s viewpoint, but no individual&#8217;s fingerprints will ever be found.</p>
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		<title>By: Robert</title>
		<link>https://habitablezone.com/2013/10/18/yo-robert/#comment-27999</link>
		<dc:creator>Robert</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 22 Oct 2013 22:40:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It certainly made everybody aware of their place in society, and that there was always a rung above you, always more symbols of material wealth to acquire. Which is only what you&#039;d expect of commercial TV, which existed to run advertising. It&#039;s always been the mission of television to soften up the audience and put them in a buying mood; and how better than to show &quot;how the other half lives&quot;?

One of the dark sides of advertising is that it treats consumers as a &quot;collections of mindless numbskulls marching in cadence&quot;. Or not so much marching cadence, but a herd that could be nudged in the desired direction. We might not like to be thought of that way, but advertisers make their fortunes applying that truth.

I&#039;m not denying that people are individuals, but perhaps less so than we&#039;d like to imagine, and certainly enough alike that companies can make money dealing with us on a statistical basis.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It certainly made everybody aware of their place in society, and that there was always a rung above you, always more symbols of material wealth to acquire. Which is only what you&#8217;d expect of commercial TV, which existed to run advertising. It&#8217;s always been the mission of television to soften up the audience and put them in a buying mood; and how better than to show &#8220;how the other half lives&#8221;?</p>
<p>One of the dark sides of advertising is that it treats consumers as a &#8220;collections of mindless numbskulls marching in cadence&#8221;. Or not so much marching cadence, but a herd that could be nudged in the desired direction. We might not like to be thought of that way, but advertisers make their fortunes applying that truth.</p>
<p>I&#8217;m not denying that people are individuals, but perhaps less so than we&#8217;d like to imagine, and certainly enough alike that companies can make money dealing with us on a statistical basis.</p>
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		<title>By: ER</title>
		<link>https://habitablezone.com/2013/10/18/yo-robert/#comment-27974</link>
		<dc:creator>ER</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 21 Oct 2013 21:59:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>No problem.  It happens sometimes.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>No problem.  It happens sometimes.</p>
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		<title>By: TB</title>
		<link>https://habitablezone.com/2013/10/18/yo-robert/#comment-27972</link>
		<dc:creator>TB</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 21 Oct 2013 18:48:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Apologies, misread something. Scratch my last comment.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Apologies, misread something. Scratch my last comment.</p>
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		<title>By: ER</title>
		<link>https://habitablezone.com/2013/10/18/yo-robert/#comment-27970</link>
		<dc:creator>ER</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 21 Oct 2013 18:29:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Pls explain. I&#039;m not quite sure just what it is you&#039;re trying to say.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Pls explain. I&#8217;m not quite sure just what it is you&#8217;re trying to say.</p>
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		<title>By: TB</title>
		<link>https://habitablezone.com/2013/10/18/yo-robert/#comment-27969</link>
		<dc:creator>TB</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 21 Oct 2013 18:10:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Wow. Only took one post that time.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Wow. Only took one post that time.</p>
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		<title>By: ER</title>
		<link>https://habitablezone.com/2013/10/18/yo-robert/#comment-27968</link>
		<dc:creator>ER</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 21 Oct 2013 18:08:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>But when things go south, they always rush west to surrender.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>But when things go south, they always rush west to surrender.</p>
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