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		<title>By: SDAI-Tech</title>
		<link>https://habitablezone.com/2013/11/25/conservatives-are-fighting-to-the-death-to-pay-more-get-less-why/#comment-28702</link>
		<dc:creator>SDAI-Tech</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 27 Nov 2013 06:45:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>President Bush had developed a &quot;yardstick&quot; for measuring how much of our border with Mexico was under control under the Homeland Security Department. It showed that over 75 percent was basically *completely* unmonitored and open to illegal border traffic. The Obama Administration dumped that yardstick immediately and for over four years has effectively run no measures or efforts to determine what&#039;s going on and how much traffic is coming in. 

So you hear instead about &quot;record low&quot; crossings and apprehensions, when nothing could be further from the truth. The truth is, with over 75 percent of our border completely unprotected, many thousands of Mexicans (and other foreign nationals) enter our country illegally every single day. In 2011 328,000 were apprehended. That&#039;s about 900 a day - that are just caught entering. 

On a border that&#039;s only 25 percent secure one can assume that at least 3000 enter each day that aren&#039;t caught. The Border Patrol doesn&#039;t have official numbers but assumes a more modest figure because of politics. When forced they will estimate another 1000 or so enter per day that aren&#039;t caught.

The truth is those areas that aren&#039;t protected have much more traffic than the areas that the Border patrol covers! In San Diego there was a tunnel that went underneath the border that emerged deep into US territory. It was discovered only after years and years of Mexican nationals just walking into California completely unchecked!

Do the math.

3000x365 = 1,095,000 new illegals living in the US per year that aren&#039;t apprehended.  But this is a way conservative estimate.

Living here on the borders one knows they don&#039;t come over one at a time.  An SUV is packed to capacity with several poles driven through the roof of the vehicle and all the seats removed. They can pack fifty people or more into (and clinging on top of) a single SUV. In one day a coyote with several stolen SUVs will haul a thousand people across the border deep into Arizona all by himself with his team of drivers.

The real numbers point to well over 7,000 or more illegal entries per day. And again we do the math. We get two and a half million illegal successful entries into the US per year.  

This started in earnest about the time the Mexican currency collapsed in 1994. So 19 years.  We do the math again and we get 47 and a half million illegals living in the US now.

This number is the one that has transformed the entire US economy. These 50 million are the ones taking the sub-minimum wage jobs, driving blue collar poverty up all over the nation and spiking healthcare costs and destroying state&#039;s school systems. 

The 40-50 million figure was a given among the intelligence community already back in 2008. One just has to look around the nation as whole new communities pop up overnight near canneries, farmlands and the corrupt corporate workplaces.

I watched a presentation one time. It was entertaining. It showed the rate of population growth along the border states versus the rest of the US. As the years pass the border states spike like an earthquake counter while other states look like they are flat lining.  All this while showing the US birthrate declining.

That spike is all about illegal immigration into the US southern hemisphere.

Basically, the US adds a county the size of San Diego *each and every year* with illegal Mexican aliens.  We&#039;ve reached critical mass because this number has astronomically high birth rates compared to US citizens. And since we grant the children of illegals citizenship - in twenty years there will only be one major voting bloc - the Hispanic voting bloc.

Hopefully, they will have an epiphany and become more conservative. But it won&#039;t happen because this group will be living in far more poverty than they are now and with even less opportunity.

The US will be Marxico by 2040.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>President Bush had developed a &#8220;yardstick&#8221; for measuring how much of our border with Mexico was under control under the Homeland Security Department. It showed that over 75 percent was basically *completely* unmonitored and open to illegal border traffic. The Obama Administration dumped that yardstick immediately and for over four years has effectively run no measures or efforts to determine what&#8217;s going on and how much traffic is coming in. </p>
<p>So you hear instead about &#8220;record low&#8221; crossings and apprehensions, when nothing could be further from the truth. The truth is, with over 75 percent of our border completely unprotected, many thousands of Mexicans (and other foreign nationals) enter our country illegally every single day. In 2011 328,000 were apprehended. That&#8217;s about 900 a day &#8211; that are just caught entering. </p>
<p>On a border that&#8217;s only 25 percent secure one can assume that at least 3000 enter each day that aren&#8217;t caught. The Border Patrol doesn&#8217;t have official numbers but assumes a more modest figure because of politics. When forced they will estimate another 1000 or so enter per day that aren&#8217;t caught.</p>
<p>The truth is those areas that aren&#8217;t protected have much more traffic than the areas that the Border patrol covers! In San Diego there was a tunnel that went underneath the border that emerged deep into US territory. It was discovered only after years and years of Mexican nationals just walking into California completely unchecked!</p>
<p>Do the math.</p>
<p>3000&#215;365 = 1,095,000 new illegals living in the US per year that aren&#8217;t apprehended.  But this is a way conservative estimate.</p>
<p>Living here on the borders one knows they don&#8217;t come over one at a time.  An SUV is packed to capacity with several poles driven through the roof of the vehicle and all the seats removed. They can pack fifty people or more into (and clinging on top of) a single SUV. In one day a coyote with several stolen SUVs will haul a thousand people across the border deep into Arizona all by himself with his team of drivers.</p>
<p>The real numbers point to well over 7,000 or more illegal entries per day. And again we do the math. We get two and a half million illegal successful entries into the US per year.  </p>
<p>This started in earnest about the time the Mexican currency collapsed in 1994. So 19 years.  We do the math again and we get 47 and a half million illegals living in the US now.</p>
<p>This number is the one that has transformed the entire US economy. These 50 million are the ones taking the sub-minimum wage jobs, driving blue collar poverty up all over the nation and spiking healthcare costs and destroying state&#8217;s school systems. </p>
<p>The 40-50 million figure was a given among the intelligence community already back in 2008. One just has to look around the nation as whole new communities pop up overnight near canneries, farmlands and the corrupt corporate workplaces.</p>
<p>I watched a presentation one time. It was entertaining. It showed the rate of population growth along the border states versus the rest of the US. As the years pass the border states spike like an earthquake counter while other states look like they are flat lining.  All this while showing the US birthrate declining.</p>
<p>That spike is all about illegal immigration into the US southern hemisphere.</p>
<p>Basically, the US adds a county the size of San Diego *each and every year* with illegal Mexican aliens.  We&#8217;ve reached critical mass because this number has astronomically high birth rates compared to US citizens. And since we grant the children of illegals citizenship &#8211; in twenty years there will only be one major voting bloc &#8211; the Hispanic voting bloc.</p>
<p>Hopefully, they will have an epiphany and become more conservative. But it won&#8217;t happen because this group will be living in far more poverty than they are now and with even less opportunity.</p>
<p>The US will be Marxico by 2040.</p>
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		<title>By: bowser</title>
		<link>https://habitablezone.com/2013/11/25/conservatives-are-fighting-to-the-death-to-pay-more-get-less-why/#comment-28701</link>
		<dc:creator>bowser</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 27 Nov 2013 03:00:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;Healthcare 101&quot; is unresponsive, as one might expect.  Understandable. Sorry.

The costs are calculated per person.  The people are the entire population of each country.  In other words, take the total amount spent on healthcare, divide that by population, and there&#039;s the number.  That&#039;s the cost per person.

The outcomes are measured by standard indices and have been used for years.  Infant mortality, longevity, there&#039;s a long list, all of which have been tracked for a long time.  Compare those and one gets a strong sense as to how effective the healthcare system is.

Nowhere does it talk about whether those people are aliens, have a Green Card, are Roman Catholics, pick lettuce, or are named &quot;Melvin&quot;?  Makes no difference.  

Nope.  The USA is not getting it&#039;s money&#039;s worth and Conservatives promote that, are in favor of that, do not want to change that.  Sort of makes one question their agenda, reasoning ability and intelligence, doesn&#039;t it?  What other options are there?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;Healthcare 101&#8243; is unresponsive, as one might expect.  Understandable. Sorry.</p>
<p>The costs are calculated per person.  The people are the entire population of each country.  In other words, take the total amount spent on healthcare, divide that by population, and there&#8217;s the number.  That&#8217;s the cost per person.</p>
<p>The outcomes are measured by standard indices and have been used for years.  Infant mortality, longevity, there&#8217;s a long list, all of which have been tracked for a long time.  Compare those and one gets a strong sense as to how effective the healthcare system is.</p>
<p>Nowhere does it talk about whether those people are aliens, have a Green Card, are Roman Catholics, pick lettuce, or are named &#8220;Melvin&#8221;?  Makes no difference.  </p>
<p>Nope.  The USA is not getting it&#8217;s money&#8217;s worth and Conservatives promote that, are in favor of that, do not want to change that.  Sort of makes one question their agenda, reasoning ability and intelligence, doesn&#8217;t it?  What other options are there?</p>
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		<title>By: Jody</title>
		<link>https://habitablezone.com/2013/11/25/conservatives-are-fighting-to-the-death-to-pay-more-get-less-why/#comment-28700</link>
		<dc:creator>Jody</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 27 Nov 2013 00:42:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>LMAO!!!!! Touche&#039;!!!!!</description>
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		<title>By: bowser</title>
		<link>https://habitablezone.com/2013/11/25/conservatives-are-fighting-to-the-death-to-pay-more-get-less-why/#comment-28699</link>
		<dc:creator>bowser</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 26 Nov 2013 22:40:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Maroon - red-necked moron.</description>
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		<title>By: TB</title>
		<link>https://habitablezone.com/2013/11/25/conservatives-are-fighting-to-the-death-to-pay-more-get-less-why/#comment-28696</link>
		<dc:creator>TB</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 26 Nov 2013 18:18:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Highest number I&#039;ve seen from various sources is a bit over 12 million.&lt;/p&gt;

Immigrants are a factor in why health care in the U.S. is expensive, but it&#039;s not the primary one.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Highest number I&#8217;ve seen from various sources is a bit over 12 million.</p>
<p>Immigrants are a factor in why health care in the U.S. is expensive, but it&#8217;s not the primary one.</p>
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		<title>By: DanS</title>
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		<dc:creator>DanS</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 26 Nov 2013 15:34:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>At least he does watch Bugs Bunny.</description>
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		<title>By: RobVG</title>
		<link>https://habitablezone.com/2013/11/25/conservatives-are-fighting-to-the-death-to-pay-more-get-less-why/#comment-28693</link>
		<dc:creator>RobVG</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 26 Nov 2013 15:18:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Where did you get the 50 million figure. n/t</description>
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		<title>By: SDAI-Tech</title>
		<link>https://habitablezone.com/2013/11/25/conservatives-are-fighting-to-the-death-to-pay-more-get-less-why/#comment-28690</link>
		<dc:creator>SDAI-Tech</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 26 Nov 2013 10:08:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;ll try to make this real clear and simple.

1/6 of the US population are illegal immigrants.

50,000,000 people.

1/5 of those have 3 kids or more born at US hospitals
That&#039;s 30,000,000 children.

The average birth procedure costs a hospital $4,000.

That&#039;s   $120,000,000,000 (120 billion) incurred over the past 15-20 years.

That 120 billion was passed on to insurance companies by shifting costs and doing expensive tests and procedures like MRIs,mammograms,  chemotherapy and much, much,more even when not necessary.

The insurance companies passed that 120 billion to consumers in the form of higher rates and reducing coverage.

It&#039;s been a shell game of passing costs around. It ends up that there is no free births or healthcare. Someone pays. In this case the insured pay. And that was only the &quot;Birth&quot; costs incurred for illegal immigrants. Add in all the other treatment and the figure skyrockets from the billions into the TRILLIONS over the past 20 years.

&quot;Free&quot; healthcare for 50 million people is damn expensive. 


So that explains the current insurance industry.

Enter the ACA.

The ACA will not cover more people. In fact, the main people who gain coverage will be those who were already treated by the hospitals for free and those who have pre-existing conditions.

The rest, the healthy people, will be paying more and getting less in a government approved plan that restricts the quality of their healthcare.

THEY WILL BE GETTING LESS AND PAYING MORE.

Like getting an Edsel and paying Cadillac prices for it. It will offer all sorts of unused items that bilk them of their money. Prenatal care for seniors, menopause therapy for men and other scam ways they can force people to pay more for stuff they can&#039;t use and don&#039;t need.  

ACA health plans are the equivalent of a car dealer selling air conditioned convertibles to Eskimos or furnaces to people in the Sahara.  And this is done simply to force these people to pay more to cover the currently uninsured.

It&#039;s another wealth distribution scheme and like all such schemes it is destined to fail.

The people will refuse to pay the hikes. One couples rates have been jacked from 400 to 1250 a month. Millions simply will not be able to pay and will pay the fine instead and go without coverage.

The result? MILLIONS without ANY insurance that were insured before and a system that can&#039;t afford to pay the insurance companies. But the ACA act has a clause that says insurance companies that lose money (as all will) will be reimbursed (bailed out) by the government.

So the insurance industry will become more corrupt than ever and learn to feed off the government bailouts. They will cook the numbers like any sleazy government contractor and the Fed will pony over taxpayer money.

So all this inefficiency leads to less people covered, crappier healthcare, a two-tier system, and permanently dependent insurance industries in bed with the government.

It&#039;s so unbelievably stupid.  You can&#039;t socialize the medicine in a nation that has no control of its borders. You can&#039;t give healthcare to the very ill and not rob that healthcare from someone else.

This is just another way the economy can be destroyed and America can be ruined.  And the morons or maroons are those who never learn from history and are averse to self-responsibility because they are, almost always, societal screw ups that are parasitic on everyone else.

The best part? Millions that lose their coverage will be the idiots who voted in Obama. This glorious public collapse will lead to a whole generation that understand that liberals are just liars who will cost them more and don&#039;t really give a crap about anyone but themselves.  A new generation of conservatives and libertarians will rise from the ashes of this total US healthcare disaster.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;ll try to make this real clear and simple.</p>
<p>1/6 of the US population are illegal immigrants.</p>
<p>50,000,000 people.</p>
<p>1/5 of those have 3 kids or more born at US hospitals<br />
That&#8217;s 30,000,000 children.</p>
<p>The average birth procedure costs a hospital $4,000.</p>
<p>That&#8217;s   $120,000,000,000 (120 billion) incurred over the past 15-20 years.</p>
<p>That 120 billion was passed on to insurance companies by shifting costs and doing expensive tests and procedures like MRIs,mammograms,  chemotherapy and much, much,more even when not necessary.</p>
<p>The insurance companies passed that 120 billion to consumers in the form of higher rates and reducing coverage.</p>
<p>It&#8217;s been a shell game of passing costs around. It ends up that there is no free births or healthcare. Someone pays. In this case the insured pay. And that was only the &#8220;Birth&#8221; costs incurred for illegal immigrants. Add in all the other treatment and the figure skyrockets from the billions into the TRILLIONS over the past 20 years.</p>
<p>&#8220;Free&#8221; healthcare for 50 million people is damn expensive. </p>
<p>So that explains the current insurance industry.</p>
<p>Enter the ACA.</p>
<p>The ACA will not cover more people. In fact, the main people who gain coverage will be those who were already treated by the hospitals for free and those who have pre-existing conditions.</p>
<p>The rest, the healthy people, will be paying more and getting less in a government approved plan that restricts the quality of their healthcare.</p>
<p>THEY WILL BE GETTING LESS AND PAYING MORE.</p>
<p>Like getting an Edsel and paying Cadillac prices for it. It will offer all sorts of unused items that bilk them of their money. Prenatal care for seniors, menopause therapy for men and other scam ways they can force people to pay more for stuff they can&#8217;t use and don&#8217;t need.  </p>
<p>ACA health plans are the equivalent of a car dealer selling air conditioned convertibles to Eskimos or furnaces to people in the Sahara.  And this is done simply to force these people to pay more to cover the currently uninsured.</p>
<p>It&#8217;s another wealth distribution scheme and like all such schemes it is destined to fail.</p>
<p>The people will refuse to pay the hikes. One couples rates have been jacked from 400 to 1250 a month. Millions simply will not be able to pay and will pay the fine instead and go without coverage.</p>
<p>The result? MILLIONS without ANY insurance that were insured before and a system that can&#8217;t afford to pay the insurance companies. But the ACA act has a clause that says insurance companies that lose money (as all will) will be reimbursed (bailed out) by the government.</p>
<p>So the insurance industry will become more corrupt than ever and learn to feed off the government bailouts. They will cook the numbers like any sleazy government contractor and the Fed will pony over taxpayer money.</p>
<p>So all this inefficiency leads to less people covered, crappier healthcare, a two-tier system, and permanently dependent insurance industries in bed with the government.</p>
<p>It&#8217;s so unbelievably stupid.  You can&#8217;t socialize the medicine in a nation that has no control of its borders. You can&#8217;t give healthcare to the very ill and not rob that healthcare from someone else.</p>
<p>This is just another way the economy can be destroyed and America can be ruined.  And the morons or maroons are those who never learn from history and are averse to self-responsibility because they are, almost always, societal screw ups that are parasitic on everyone else.</p>
<p>The best part? Millions that lose their coverage will be the idiots who voted in Obama. This glorious public collapse will lead to a whole generation that understand that liberals are just liars who will cost them more and don&#8217;t really give a crap about anyone but themselves.  A new generation of conservatives and libertarians will rise from the ashes of this total US healthcare disaster.</p>
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		<title>By: Jody</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jody</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 26 Nov 2013 03:50:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>You spell that morons. We are not maroons. We are morons.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You spell that morons. We are not maroons. We are morons.</p>
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