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		<title>By: DanS</title>
		<link>https://habitablezone.com/2013/12/16/santa-is-neither-black-nor-white/#comment-28909</link>
		<dc:creator>DanS</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 17 Dec 2013 11:37:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Good posting, ER!</description>
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		<title>By: ER</title>
		<link>https://habitablezone.com/2013/12/16/santa-is-neither-black-nor-white/#comment-28905</link>
		<dc:creator>ER</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 17 Dec 2013 03:45:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I think a lot of folks are suddenly realizing that what happened to the Indians and the blacks might just happen to them too.  Not because of violence, or coercion, but by simple dilution and absorption.

When you are brought up with only one language and one culture, the sudden realization that the superstitions of your tribe are not the laws of physics can be terrifying.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think a lot of folks are suddenly realizing that what happened to the Indians and the blacks might just happen to them too.  Not because of violence, or coercion, but by simple dilution and absorption.</p>
<p>When you are brought up with only one language and one culture, the sudden realization that the superstitions of your tribe are not the laws of physics can be terrifying.</p>
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		<title>By: ER</title>
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		<dc:creator>ER</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 17 Dec 2013 03:40:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>To this day, there are still blonde Turks.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>To this day, there are still blonde Turks.</p>
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		<title>By: ER</title>
		<link>https://habitablezone.com/2013/12/16/santa-is-neither-black-nor-white/#comment-28903</link>
		<dc:creator>ER</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 17 Dec 2013 03:33:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Black kids are surrounded by the icons of white European culture, and I suppose this leads to this sort of cultural inferiority which activists seem compelled to correct.  Actually, blacks do not have their own culture, it was systematically stripped and beaten from them when they were enslaved and brought to the New World.  Their original cultures were forgotten, erased, rubbed out.  This is bound to leave a people rootless and adrift.  They lost their culture, their religion, their language, they came here naked, without possessions,  and thrust together with fellow slaves from other tribes they couldn&#039;t even talk to until they all learned English.  They were then indoctrinated in Protestantism and the English culture.  It was cultural genocide on a mass scale.  The English were very good at it, too.  They had plenty of practice because they already done it to the Irish.

The Spaniards treated their slaves differently, they let them keep their language, they were mostly Yoruba, so they kept their cultural traditions relatively intact, too, and the Padres allowed them to incorporate much of their native animist beliefs with the Catholicism they indoctrinated them with.  Many of the RC saints have their tribal counterparts, for example, St. Barbara became Changó, the Goddess of Thunder, since the Spaniards revered Barbara as the patron saint of artillerymen.

After slavery was abolished in Cuba, racism still persisted, but it was more social and class oriented, the Spanish never felt that slavery contradicted their religion, so they didn&#039;t feel the need to dehumanize the blacks to justify their servitude, as was the case in the Anglo-Saxon countries.

The same thing happened with the Indian tribes on the Continent. To this day, many Indian Catholic rites in Mexico and in other places in South America are infused with native icons and rituals.

Spaniards could be as racist as the Saxons, to the Indians as well as the Negroes, but they never had anything like Jim Crow and institutionalized segregation or lynching.  That was perfected in North America.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Black kids are surrounded by the icons of white European culture, and I suppose this leads to this sort of cultural inferiority which activists seem compelled to correct.  Actually, blacks do not have their own culture, it was systematically stripped and beaten from them when they were enslaved and brought to the New World.  Their original cultures were forgotten, erased, rubbed out.  This is bound to leave a people rootless and adrift.  They lost their culture, their religion, their language, they came here naked, without possessions,  and thrust together with fellow slaves from other tribes they couldn&#8217;t even talk to until they all learned English.  They were then indoctrinated in Protestantism and the English culture.  It was cultural genocide on a mass scale.  The English were very good at it, too.  They had plenty of practice because they already done it to the Irish.</p>
<p>The Spaniards treated their slaves differently, they let them keep their language, they were mostly Yoruba, so they kept their cultural traditions relatively intact, too, and the Padres allowed them to incorporate much of their native animist beliefs with the Catholicism they indoctrinated them with.  Many of the RC saints have their tribal counterparts, for example, St. Barbara became Changó, the Goddess of Thunder, since the Spaniards revered Barbara as the patron saint of artillerymen.</p>
<p>After slavery was abolished in Cuba, racism still persisted, but it was more social and class oriented, the Spanish never felt that slavery contradicted their religion, so they didn&#8217;t feel the need to dehumanize the blacks to justify their servitude, as was the case in the Anglo-Saxon countries.</p>
<p>The same thing happened with the Indian tribes on the Continent. To this day, many Indian Catholic rites in Mexico and in other places in South America are infused with native icons and rituals.</p>
<p>Spaniards could be as racist as the Saxons, to the Indians as well as the Negroes, but they never had anything like Jim Crow and institutionalized segregation or lynching.  That was perfected in North America.</p>
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		<title>By: bowser</title>
		<link>https://habitablezone.com/2013/12/16/santa-is-neither-black-nor-white/#comment-28902</link>
		<dc:creator>bowser</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 17 Dec 2013 03:23:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I had no idea Santa&#039;s skin color was an issue to anyone.  Sorry.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I had no idea Santa&#8217;s skin color was an issue to anyone.  Sorry.</p>
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		<title>By: ER</title>
		<link>https://habitablezone.com/2013/12/16/santa-is-neither-black-nor-white/#comment-28900</link>
		<dc:creator>ER</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 17 Dec 2013 03:09:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>On Christmas eve, they roast a pig in a pit in the yard and everybody stuffs themselves.  After dark, the grown-ups dress up and go night-clubbing, boozing and dancing until midnight, when they go to Mass (if they are strict practicing Catholics, most Cubans aren&#039;t).  They call it Noche Buena, the &quot;Good Night&quot;.  On Christmas day they sleep it off.

The rugrats get their presents from the Wise Men on the Epiphany, 6 Jan.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>On Christmas eve, they roast a pig in a pit in the yard and everybody stuffs themselves.  After dark, the grown-ups dress up and go night-clubbing, boozing and dancing until midnight, when they go to Mass (if they are strict practicing Catholics, most Cubans aren&#8217;t).  They call it Noche Buena, the &#8220;Good Night&#8221;.  On Christmas day they sleep it off.</p>
<p>The rugrats get their presents from the Wise Men on the Epiphany, 6 Jan.</p>
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		<title>By: Jody</title>
		<link>https://habitablezone.com/2013/12/16/santa-is-neither-black-nor-white/#comment-28899</link>
		<dc:creator>Jody</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 17 Dec 2013 03:07:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I am guilty. G.U.I.L.T.Y.

It has not have even entered my mind to perceive a black Santa. I assumed that whatever race a person is, is how Santa is personified.

I am slowly learning my comeuppance with the elderly also.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I am guilty. G.U.I.L.T.Y.</p>
<p>It has not have even entered my mind to perceive a black Santa. I assumed that whatever race a person is, is how Santa is personified.</p>
<p>I am slowly learning my comeuppance with the elderly also.</p>
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		<title>By: Jody</title>
		<link>https://habitablezone.com/2013/12/16/santa-is-neither-black-nor-white/#comment-28898</link>
		<dc:creator>Jody</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 17 Dec 2013 03:02:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>LOL! </description>
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		<title>By: ER</title>
		<link>https://habitablezone.com/2013/12/16/santa-is-neither-black-nor-white/#comment-28896</link>
		<dc:creator>ER</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 17 Dec 2013 02:44:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>You got my age wrong.  Everything else is pretty close.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You got my age wrong.  Everything else is pretty close.</p>
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		<title>By: ER</title>
		<link>https://habitablezone.com/2013/12/16/santa-is-neither-black-nor-white/#comment-28895</link>
		<dc:creator>ER</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 17 Dec 2013 02:42:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>it&#039;s about a community that feels so threatened, so victimized, so insecure in their own cultural identity that Santa&#039;s skin color is a subject capable of arousing political passion, self-righteous debate and indignant protestation.  Yes, declaring Santa should be black is absurd, but nowhere near as absurd as finding that declaration personally threatening.

It&#039;s not a black thing, or a white thing.  It&#039;s a gringo thing. In no other country in the world would there be a public debate on what race Santa should be.  A plague on both your houses.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>it&#8217;s about a community that feels so threatened, so victimized, so insecure in their own cultural identity that Santa&#8217;s skin color is a subject capable of arousing political passion, self-righteous debate and indignant protestation.  Yes, declaring Santa should be black is absurd, but nowhere near as absurd as finding that declaration personally threatening.</p>
<p>It&#8217;s not a black thing, or a white thing.  It&#8217;s a gringo thing. In no other country in the world would there be a public debate on what race Santa should be.  A plague on both your houses.</p>
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