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	<title>Comments on: SpaceX Scheduled to Launch Another F9 v1.1 Tomorrow &#8211; Jan 3</title>
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		<title>By: TB</title>
		<link>https://habitablezone.com/2014/01/02/spacex-scheduled-to-launch-another-f9-v1-1-tomorrow-jan-3/#comment-29370</link>
		<dc:creator>TB</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 09 Jan 2014 18:06:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;The bottom line, mainly.&lt;/p&gt;

The goal of a private space system is to have more money at the end of the process than you started out with, no matter who the customer is.

A public project is primarily concerned with filling the rice bowls of a great number of legislative districts, and if you end up in the hole, who cares? There&#039;s no real incentive for cost-cutting innovation, or spending less on the development and operation. This is true outside the space field, too.

You can tell exactly where NASA&#039;s space projects are built by who makes the most noise in their favor in Congress. There are both Democrats and Republicans in that number.

NASA is spending a lot less having private companies move their goods (and eventually people) than they would be either having the Russians do it, or building and flying the machinery themselves.

NASA isn&#039;t buying SpaceX components, assembling the rockets, or launching them. It didn&#039;t come up with the development money. It&#039;s paying for a service, and using less tax dollars than they would be otherwise. This leaves NASA more money to do other things.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The bottom line, mainly.</p>
<p>The goal of a private space system is to have more money at the end of the process than you started out with, no matter who the customer is.</p>
<p>A public project is primarily concerned with filling the rice bowls of a great number of legislative districts, and if you end up in the hole, who cares? There&#8217;s no real incentive for cost-cutting innovation, or spending less on the development and operation. This is true outside the space field, too.</p>
<p>You can tell exactly where NASA&#8217;s space projects are built by who makes the most noise in their favor in Congress. There are both Democrats and Republicans in that number.</p>
<p>NASA is spending a lot less having private companies move their goods (and eventually people) than they would be either having the Russians do it, or building and flying the machinery themselves.</p>
<p>NASA isn&#8217;t buying SpaceX components, assembling the rockets, or launching them. It didn&#8217;t come up with the development money. It&#8217;s paying for a service, and using less tax dollars than they would be otherwise. This leaves NASA more money to do other things.</p>
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		<title>By: TB</title>
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		<dc:creator>TB</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 09 Jan 2014 17:58:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;An example of a government subsidy:&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;a href=&quot;http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Space_Launch_Liability_Indemnification_Extension_Act_(H.R._3547;_113th_Congress)&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;The Space Launch Liability Indemnification Act.&lt;/a&gt;

Unlike a lot of other space enthusiasts, I&#039;m personally not convinced this subsidy is necessary. The airline industry handles its own third party liability, using a system of pooled insurance companies started back in the 1920s, when the airline industry was as small and new as the space industry is now.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>An example of a government subsidy:</p>
<p><a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Space_Launch_Liability_Indemnification_Extension_Act_(H.R._3547;_113th_Congress)" rel="nofollow">The Space Launch Liability Indemnification Act.</a></p>
<p>Unlike a lot of other space enthusiasts, I&#8217;m personally not convinced this subsidy is necessary. The airline industry handles its own third party liability, using a system of pooled insurance companies started back in the 1920s, when the airline industry was as small and new as the space industry is now.</p>
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		<title>By: bowser</title>
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		<dc:creator>bowser</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 09 Jan 2014 17:32:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Unless it&#039;s the rocket in case of a failure.  I don&#039;t know if that&#039;s covered in the insurance.

It just doesn&#039;t seem to be an example of private industry, yet.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Unless it&#8217;s the rocket in case of a failure.  I don&#8217;t know if that&#8217;s covered in the insurance.</p>
<p>It just doesn&#8217;t seem to be an example of private industry, yet.</p>
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		<title>By: bowser</title>
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		<dc:creator>bowser</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 09 Jan 2014 17:24:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>What&#039;s the real difference?
NASA buying components from private contractors, assembling the rockets and launching them, or
SpaceX buying components from private components, assembling them and launching them using money from government contracts.

The taxpayer is paying for the effort the entire way.

It&#039;s not a &quot;bad&quot; evolution, a proper function of government, a proper evolution into more private money, but not what I would call &quot;private enterprise&quot;.

MicroSoft is an example of private enterprise, wherein R&amp;D was privately funded.  Starbucks is private enterprise.  SpaceX is not.  at least not yet.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>What&#8217;s the real difference?<br />
NASA buying components from private contractors, assembling the rockets and launching them, or<br />
SpaceX buying components from private components, assembling them and launching them using money from government contracts.</p>
<p>The taxpayer is paying for the effort the entire way.</p>
<p>It&#8217;s not a &#8220;bad&#8221; evolution, a proper function of government, a proper evolution into more private money, but not what I would call &#8220;private enterprise&#8221;.</p>
<p>MicroSoft is an example of private enterprise, wherein R&#038;D was privately funded.  Starbucks is private enterprise.  SpaceX is not.  at least not yet.</p>
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		<title>By: SteveS</title>
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		<dc:creator>SteveS</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 09 Jan 2014 16:47:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Better to help a private company with government money which will promote commerce and jobs at home than sending government money overseas for the same service. Once the private company gets on its feet our tax dollars savings increase and we have created a private industry which benefits us.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Better to help a private company with government money which will promote commerce and jobs at home than sending government money overseas for the same service. Once the private company gets on its feet our tax dollars savings increase and we have created a private industry which benefits us.</p>
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		<title>By: TB</title>
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		<dc:creator>TB</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 09 Jan 2014 15:54:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;For the private missions, like comsats, the satellite company pays for the insurance.&lt;/p&gt;

When the government is the customer, it&#039;s the government. SpaceX has a contract to send cargo to the ISS, at a price lower than NASA was paying the Russians to do it.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>For the private missions, like comsats, the satellite company pays for the insurance.</p>
<p>When the government is the customer, it&#8217;s the government. SpaceX has a contract to send cargo to the ISS, at a price lower than NASA was paying the Russians to do it.</p>
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		<title>By: bowser</title>
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		<dc:creator>bowser</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 09 Jan 2014 11:13:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Using technology developed with taxpayer&#039;s money, no royalties, flying taxpayer funded missions to governmental owned property is not a good example of &quot;private industry&quot;.  It&#039;s more socialized than private.

It would be interesting to know who pays, directly or indirectly, the insurance premiums for these missions.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Using technology developed with taxpayer&#8217;s money, no royalties, flying taxpayer funded missions to governmental owned property is not a good example of &#8220;private industry&#8221;.  It&#8217;s more socialized than private.</p>
<p>It would be interesting to know who pays, directly or indirectly, the insurance premiums for these missions.</p>
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		<title>By: DanS</title>
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		<dc:creator>DanS</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 08 Jan 2014 12:35:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Though I would suppose that, with a government involved, drawing in a few more ship building concerns, the vessel might have doubled as the world&#039;s largest ice breaker, possibly one retired to museum-class in the 1980s.

And you are correct about the 2 centuries being a bit much.  I was thinking of only one mission under competition, not several.  The drain in private industry, though, would become a bit &quot;titanic,&quot; possibly resulting in a trickle-down that would replenish the middle class and provide a stepping stone for the poor.

Kind of interesting when you consider all the angles.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Though I would suppose that, with a government involved, drawing in a few more ship building concerns, the vessel might have doubled as the world&#8217;s largest ice breaker, possibly one retired to museum-class in the 1980s.</p>
<p>And you are correct about the 2 centuries being a bit much.  I was thinking of only one mission under competition, not several.  The drain in private industry, though, would become a bit &#8220;titanic,&#8221; possibly resulting in a trickle-down that would replenish the middle class and provide a stepping stone for the poor.</p>
<p>Kind of interesting when you consider all the angles.</p>
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		<title>By: FrankC</title>
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		<dc:creator>FrankC</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 08 Jan 2014 07:25:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It takes the government to spend hundreds of billions on a project.

I am not saying that those projects are never worth it, but I am saying that private industry can be amazingly efficient and effective doing damn near anything, once they smell profit.

I believe it will be private industry that will make us a space faring species. They will get some help from government along the way but the drive will come from profiteers.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It takes the government to spend hundreds of billions on a project.</p>
<p>I am not saying that those projects are never worth it, but I am saying that private industry can be amazingly efficient and effective doing damn near anything, once they smell profit.</p>
<p>I believe it will be private industry that will make us a space faring species. They will get some help from government along the way but the drive will come from profiteers.</p>
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		<title>By: TB</title>
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		<dc:creator>TB</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 08 Jan 2014 04:08:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;&quot;Couple of centuries?&quot;&lt;/p&gt;

I think you&#039;re in for a very pleasant surprise. For example, SpaceX is planning on launching a rover to the Moon in 2015, and the vehicles they have could easily put a manned Dragon capsule around the Moon and back in a few years.

The Titanic was funded privately by J. P. Morgan and the International Mercantile Marine Co.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;Couple of centuries?&#8221;</p>
<p>I think you&#8217;re in for a very pleasant surprise. For example, SpaceX is planning on launching a rover to the Moon in 2015, and the vehicles they have could easily put a manned Dragon capsule around the Moon and back in a few years.</p>
<p>The Titanic was funded privately by J. P. Morgan and the International Mercantile Marine Co.</p>
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