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		<title>By: ER</title>
		<link>https://habitablezone.com/2014/02/03/one-mans-trash-is-another-mans-treasure/#comment-29620</link>
		<dc:creator>ER</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 04 Feb 2014 21:13:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Melaleuca trees are fire resistant, and it exploits fire to suppress competitors so it can take over an ecosystem.  You can still use fire to fight it, but you have to know what you&#039;re doing, and follow up after a burn.

The plant was introduced into Florida by developers about a century because of its ability to dry up wetlands. 

You see, back then, wetlands were considered bad for business.  Now, we need them to provide water for our cities.

http://www.columbia.edu/itc/cerc/danoff-burg/invasion_bio/inv_spp_summ/Melaleuca_quinquenervia.html</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Melaleuca trees are fire resistant, and it exploits fire to suppress competitors so it can take over an ecosystem.  You can still use fire to fight it, but you have to know what you&#8217;re doing, and follow up after a burn.</p>
<p>The plant was introduced into Florida by developers about a century because of its ability to dry up wetlands. </p>
<p>You see, back then, wetlands were considered bad for business.  Now, we need them to provide water for our cities.</p>
<p><a href="http://www.columbia.edu/itc/cerc/danoff-burg/invasion_bio/inv_spp_summ/Melaleuca_quinquenervia.html" rel="nofollow">http://www.columbia.edu/itc/cerc/danoff-burg/invasion_bio/inv_spp_summ/Melaleuca_quinquenervia.html</a></p>
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		<title>By: DanS</title>
		<link>https://habitablezone.com/2014/02/03/one-mans-trash-is-another-mans-treasure/#comment-29617</link>
		<dc:creator>DanS</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 04 Feb 2014 19:25:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>...but not the spread of trees.  Controlled burns work for small, local area infestations.  As ER states, this is a wide-ranging issue.  Again, each tree needs to be identified and dealt with, quickly and thoroughly, otherwise all that is done is a clearing of land for the next generation.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8230;but not the spread of trees.  Controlled burns work for small, local area infestations.  As ER states, this is a wide-ranging issue.  Again, each tree needs to be identified and dealt with, quickly and thoroughly, otherwise all that is done is a clearing of land for the next generation.</p>
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		<title>By: ER</title>
		<link>https://habitablezone.com/2014/02/03/one-mans-trash-is-another-mans-treasure/#comment-29608</link>
		<dc:creator>ER</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 04 Feb 2014 01:01:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>and as far as I can tell the authorities are losing the battle against this pest.  The Brazilian Pepper is just as bad. They are both spreading faster than they can eliminate it. Fortunately, the Australian Pine is slow-growing, and it looks like they turned the corner with that one, although it may be a century before its finally eliminated. Too bad, they give a wonderful shade and make a lovely sound in the breeze, and can live in very salty sand right by the ocean.  That&#039;s why they were introduced here.  The problem is the shed needles are toxic to plant life and nothing else will take root near them.

Unless they can come up with some biological control for it, an insect that eats it, or a disease that attacks it, and which is no threat to anything else, I&#039;m afraid its going to win. A targeted chemical like you posit would certainly be ideal.  If you can invent one I guarantee you will become a very rich man.

It&#039;s easy to say &quot;Why don&#039;t they just cut the Melaleuca down, or burn it off?&quot;  But until you drive through some of the vast areas infested by it, you simply cannot imagine what a problem this is.  You can destroy a huge stand, but if you miss even one, in a few years they are back.  To use a medical term, it has metastasized.

It doesn&#039;t just occur in forests, there are also isolated trees and small stands everywhere, from the middle of town to out in the boonies.  You can&#039;t find them all, much less go to where they are and destroy them. and any one can be a new vector for infection.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>and as far as I can tell the authorities are losing the battle against this pest.  The Brazilian Pepper is just as bad. They are both spreading faster than they can eliminate it. Fortunately, the Australian Pine is slow-growing, and it looks like they turned the corner with that one, although it may be a century before its finally eliminated. Too bad, they give a wonderful shade and make a lovely sound in the breeze, and can live in very salty sand right by the ocean.  That&#8217;s why they were introduced here.  The problem is the shed needles are toxic to plant life and nothing else will take root near them.</p>
<p>Unless they can come up with some biological control for it, an insect that eats it, or a disease that attacks it, and which is no threat to anything else, I&#8217;m afraid its going to win. A targeted chemical like you posit would certainly be ideal.  If you can invent one I guarantee you will become a very rich man.</p>
<p>It&#8217;s easy to say &#8220;Why don&#8217;t they just cut the Melaleuca down, or burn it off?&#8221;  But until you drive through some of the vast areas infested by it, you simply cannot imagine what a problem this is.  You can destroy a huge stand, but if you miss even one, in a few years they are back.  To use a medical term, it has metastasized.</p>
<p>It doesn&#8217;t just occur in forests, there are also isolated trees and small stands everywhere, from the middle of town to out in the boonies.  You can&#8217;t find them all, much less go to where they are and destroy them. and any one can be a new vector for infection.</p>
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		<title>By: Jody</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jody</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 03 Feb 2014 23:39:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;a href=&quot;http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1NOwdMpWxEE&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;They are using controlled fires&lt;/a&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1NOwdMpWxEE" rel="nofollow">They are using controlled fires</a></p>
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		<title>By: DanS</title>
		<link>https://habitablezone.com/2014/02/03/one-mans-trash-is-another-mans-treasure/#comment-29605</link>
		<dc:creator>DanS</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 03 Feb 2014 23:11:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Amino acids could be inhibited, with a resin designed to dry up seedpods, thus rendering a tree sterile.  That might be the best way.  Killing the tree outright might be concidered hazardous, as we would then have to cope with needing to cut down the whole forests as soon as possible.  Doubtless a boon for lumberjacks, but still quite dangerous.

As you surmised, the trees would have to be identfied and injected by hand, with followup monitoring.  Time consuming and expensive, but doable.  The hard part would be getting the goverment to recognize the threat, and to set up an initiative.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Amino acids could be inhibited, with a resin designed to dry up seedpods, thus rendering a tree sterile.  That might be the best way.  Killing the tree outright might be concidered hazardous, as we would then have to cope with needing to cut down the whole forests as soon as possible.  Doubtless a boon for lumberjacks, but still quite dangerous.</p>
<p>As you surmised, the trees would have to be identfied and injected by hand, with followup monitoring.  Time consuming and expensive, but doable.  The hard part would be getting the goverment to recognize the threat, and to set up an initiative.</p>
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		<title>By: ER</title>
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		<dc:creator>ER</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 03 Feb 2014 22:00:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The cell protects its DNA from foreign attack with multiple defensive barriers.  Breaching those barriers successfully is called &quot;cancer&quot;, that is, cancer is what happens when the DNA&#039;s normal function is compromised, either by a virus, or some environmental factor, like random mutation, radiation or toxins.

I can&#039;t think of any method today that would target a specific DNA without being hazardous to other organisms as well, for example, if we sprayed Melaleuca stands from the air with a toxin targeted to its DNA, it might be disastrous if some other organism&#039;s nucleic acid could be affected by the toxin.

It could probably be done in the lab, or one tree at a time, but that wouldn&#039;t be very effective as a means of biological control.  Broad-spectrum genetic poisons sound like a potential nightmare to me.  Too many things could go wrong.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The cell protects its DNA from foreign attack with multiple defensive barriers.  Breaching those barriers successfully is called &#8220;cancer&#8221;, that is, cancer is what happens when the DNA&#8217;s normal function is compromised, either by a virus, or some environmental factor, like random mutation, radiation or toxins.</p>
<p>I can&#8217;t think of any method today that would target a specific DNA without being hazardous to other organisms as well, for example, if we sprayed Melaleuca stands from the air with a toxin targeted to its DNA, it might be disastrous if some other organism&#8217;s nucleic acid could be affected by the toxin.</p>
<p>It could probably be done in the lab, or one tree at a time, but that wouldn&#8217;t be very effective as a means of biological control.  Broad-spectrum genetic poisons sound like a potential nightmare to me.  Too many things could go wrong.</p>
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		<title>By: bowser</title>
		<link>https://habitablezone.com/2014/02/03/one-mans-trash-is-another-mans-treasure/#comment-29603</link>
		<dc:creator>bowser</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 03 Feb 2014 21:23:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>that &#039;we&#039;, whoever that is, are not too far away from being able to target specific plant species through their DNA.  Disrupt the plants&#039; specific DNA and it dies while leaving everything else alone.

Just a suspicion.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>that &#8216;we&#8217;, whoever that is, are not too far away from being able to target specific plant species through their DNA.  Disrupt the plants&#8217; specific DNA and it dies while leaving everything else alone.</p>
<p>Just a suspicion.</p>
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		<title>By: ER</title>
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		<dc:creator>ER</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 03 Feb 2014 19:54:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Where it takes over everything dies, even the bugs and birds go away. You can&#039;t drive anywhere in the country without seeing it, and in some cases the stands go on for miles.  The same goes for Brazilian Pepper and Casuarina (AKA &quot;Australian Pine&quot;, although it is neither Australian or a conifer).  All were deliberately introduced as &quot;ornamentals&quot;.

I don&#039;t think its even worthwhile fighting these invaders anymore.  We should just surrender the state to them, let them take over, and concentrate our resources where the Florida Peninsula is narrowest, just S of where it joins North America, draw a line there and try to hold them, keep them from spreading.

Let the State become an ecological free-fire zone, and use the resulting monotonous biological desolation to rub into the faces of those who think preserving the environment is purely an esthetic exercise, a waste of time we can no longer afford.  The pest vegetation complements the human landscape of parking lots, strip malls and high-rises beautifully.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Where it takes over everything dies, even the bugs and birds go away. You can&#8217;t drive anywhere in the country without seeing it, and in some cases the stands go on for miles.  The same goes for Brazilian Pepper and Casuarina (AKA &#8220;Australian Pine&#8221;, although it is neither Australian or a conifer).  All were deliberately introduced as &#8220;ornamentals&#8221;.</p>
<p>I don&#8217;t think its even worthwhile fighting these invaders anymore.  We should just surrender the state to them, let them take over, and concentrate our resources where the Florida Peninsula is narrowest, just S of where it joins North America, draw a line there and try to hold them, keep them from spreading.</p>
<p>Let the State become an ecological free-fire zone, and use the resulting monotonous biological desolation to rub into the faces of those who think preserving the environment is purely an esthetic exercise, a waste of time we can no longer afford.  The pest vegetation complements the human landscape of parking lots, strip malls and high-rises beautifully.</p>
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		<title>By: DanS</title>
		<link>https://habitablezone.com/2014/02/03/one-mans-trash-is-another-mans-treasure/#comment-29597</link>
		<dc:creator>DanS</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 03 Feb 2014 18:01:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Century of the Triffids.  (n/t)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Century of the Triffids.  (n/t)</p>
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