<?xml version="1.0" encoding="UTF-8"?><rss version="2.0"
	xmlns:content="http://purl.org/rss/1.0/modules/content/"
	xmlns:dc="http://purl.org/dc/elements/1.1/"
	xmlns:atom="http://www.w3.org/2005/Atom"
	xmlns:sy="http://purl.org/rss/1.0/modules/syndication/"
		>
<channel>
	<title>Comments on: Meanwhile&#8230;in Venezuela&#8230;</title>
	<atom:link href="http://habitablezone.com/2014/02/20/meanwhile-in-venezuela-2/feed/" rel="self" type="application/rss+xml" />
	<link>https://habitablezone.com/2014/02/20/meanwhile-in-venezuela-2/</link>
	<description></description>
	<lastBuildDate>Thu, 09 Apr 2026 15:15:13 -0700</lastBuildDate>
	<sy:updatePeriod>hourly</sy:updatePeriod>
	<sy:updateFrequency>1</sy:updateFrequency>
	<generator>http://wordpress.org/?v=3.3.1</generator>
	<item>
		<title>By: ER</title>
		<link>https://habitablezone.com/2014/02/20/meanwhile-in-venezuela-2/#comment-29892</link>
		<dc:creator>ER</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 21 Feb 2014 16:58:54 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid isPermaLink="false">http://habitablezone.com/?p=43201#comment-29892</guid>
		<description>If the US is indeed mixed up in Venezuelan internal politics, then no doubt Russia is mixed up in Ukrainian politics.  In each case, it could be argued that economic and trade factors are at work, not ideological ones.  The US considers Venezuela as part of its Monroe Doctrine sphere of influence, just as Russia sees Ukraine as part of the old Soviet Empire.  The EU seeks trade influence in Ukraine, and Russia fears losing it.  The US wants cheap Venezuelan oil and a buffer against Cuban influence.  In both places, domestic politics and conflicts in the countries involved play a role as well, with people lining up on opposite sides of disputes for a variety of reasons. This is certainly happening in both Venezuela and the Ukraine. There are local constituencies who feel they have a stake in what happens.

I&#039;m not saying these two situations are equivalent. Just that to one side or the other, it sure seems that way.

Countries have conflicts and rivalries that can usually be traced to money--trade, resources, markets.  It is regrettable, but it is reality. To ignore this is suicidal, but to recognize it can often lead to working out a reasonable solution for both sides, as well as helping us to understand when conflict, even war, may be inevitable.  Having a war is regrettable, but having one for no good reason except ideology is much worse. Especially when wars can often spiral out of control and shower everyone concerned with unforeseen consequences.

Business is as good a reason as any to fight, although it can often provide the common-sense solution that helps avoid bloodshed, too.  Ideology is a fraud, its primary purpose is to get teenagers to enlist and prep the population for sacrifice. In the modern world, ideology has taken the place of patriotism. Its a con.

I am not a pacifist, sometimes you have to fight.  I am also a realist, I know sometimes it isn&#039;t always clear whether or not we should. At any rate, it it does come to violence, you shouldn&#039;t fool yourself into thinking ideology, patriotism, philosophy or morality has anything to do with it. Maybe it does to the Ukrainians or Venezuelans.  But not to us, the EU, or the Russians. Those noble sentiments also play very little role in deciding who wins, either.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>If the US is indeed mixed up in Venezuelan internal politics, then no doubt Russia is mixed up in Ukrainian politics.  In each case, it could be argued that economic and trade factors are at work, not ideological ones.  The US considers Venezuela as part of its Monroe Doctrine sphere of influence, just as Russia sees Ukraine as part of the old Soviet Empire.  The EU seeks trade influence in Ukraine, and Russia fears losing it.  The US wants cheap Venezuelan oil and a buffer against Cuban influence.  In both places, domestic politics and conflicts in the countries involved play a role as well, with people lining up on opposite sides of disputes for a variety of reasons. This is certainly happening in both Venezuela and the Ukraine. There are local constituencies who feel they have a stake in what happens.</p>
<p>I&#8217;m not saying these two situations are equivalent. Just that to one side or the other, it sure seems that way.</p>
<p>Countries have conflicts and rivalries that can usually be traced to money&#8211;trade, resources, markets.  It is regrettable, but it is reality. To ignore this is suicidal, but to recognize it can often lead to working out a reasonable solution for both sides, as well as helping us to understand when conflict, even war, may be inevitable.  Having a war is regrettable, but having one for no good reason except ideology is much worse. Especially when wars can often spiral out of control and shower everyone concerned with unforeseen consequences.</p>
<p>Business is as good a reason as any to fight, although it can often provide the common-sense solution that helps avoid bloodshed, too.  Ideology is a fraud, its primary purpose is to get teenagers to enlist and prep the population for sacrifice. In the modern world, ideology has taken the place of patriotism. Its a con.</p>
<p>I am not a pacifist, sometimes you have to fight.  I am also a realist, I know sometimes it isn&#8217;t always clear whether or not we should. At any rate, it it does come to violence, you shouldn&#8217;t fool yourself into thinking ideology, patriotism, philosophy or morality has anything to do with it. Maybe it does to the Ukrainians or Venezuelans.  But not to us, the EU, or the Russians. Those noble sentiments also play very little role in deciding who wins, either.</p>
]]></content:encoded>
	</item>
	<item>
		<title>By: ER</title>
		<link>https://habitablezone.com/2014/02/20/meanwhile-in-venezuela-2/#comment-29889</link>
		<dc:creator>ER</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 21 Feb 2014 13:22:39 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid isPermaLink="false">http://habitablezone.com/?p=43201#comment-29889</guid>
		<description>The Right is convinced the MSM is actively working to undermine legitimate American interests.  The Left tells us it is busily promoting illegitimate ones.

The real truth is much, much worse.  The press is totally apolitical, amoral and has no partisan agenda.  It is strictly a means of making its product as appealing to as many eyeballs as possible so that it&#039;s services will be sought out by paying advertisers.

The press is a business, and like all businesses, it is concerned only with profit. It does not sell news to its audience, it sells advertising space to corporate interests. It does not give the public information it needs to know, it gives it what it wants to hear.  The free market and capitalist competition no longer operate as a force to improve the product, because the market is no longer the consumer of the news, but the advertiser who bankrolls it.  The media are getting better and better at providing effective advertising, not at delivering information to the masses.

Watch your local TV news, where this process is nakedly exposed.  Real issues are oversimplified to the point of incomprehensibility, or glossed over if they are too complex for the average consumer. Important but routine news is sensationalized and exaggerated to maximize emotional impact.  Human interest and mawkish sentiment are shamelessly exploited.  Entertainment and sports are deliberately promoted to generate public interest (if not mindless fanaticism) in comforting trivia and meaningless rivalry. The only real and competent journalism is in the weather, where the most physically attractive tits and asses (exquisitely coiffed and groomed) and most dazzling graphic aids keep the viewer mesmerized and riveted until the only really worthwhile information, the forecast, can be delivered at the very end.

Meanwhile, more and more of the news is taken over by advertising, much of it disguised as journalism (what the local sports team is up to, or what programming or personalities will be on at prime time). And it all wraps up with the obligatory human interest pap, the brave veteran coping with his shattered body, the kitten rescued from the tree, the noble charity lady patronizing the grubby homeless, the brutish athlete mentoring teen-age thugs and illiterate grade-school delinquents. See the crips and retards. Isn&#039;t it wonderful how well we take care of them?  Don&#039;t ya feel much better now? isn&#039;t everything just ducky? Aren&#039;t we compassionate?

Network TV news used to be a loss leader, it generated no revenue, but broadcasters took pride in the quality of the journalism, it was a matter of corporate one-upmanship and competition: &lt;em&gt;this&lt;/em&gt; is how we serve our community!  But sometime in the eighties, during the Great Commodification, it became just another cog in the business.  It became a revenue-generating machine, and it has been gradually getting worse ever since. There is no commitment to informing the public.  Even today&#039;s partisan press outlets are primarily devoted to pandering to specific audiences, not educating or persuading the public as a whole, or even intelligently and enthusiastically championing the virtues of a political philosophy, or condemning the evils of another.  

We need a free, unregulated free press, one independent of corporate influence as well as government control and regulation. The best way to do this is with a free-enterprise press run and owned by local professionals and entrepreneurs and supported by user subscription and commercial advertising;  a press that is not afraid to take sides, but that is also willing to take chances and lead in the public arena, not simply avoid controversy and seek out &quot;equivalence&quot; at all costs so no one is offended.  I think we used to have one but I don&#039;t think we do any more. This old model seems to be failing, and I haven&#039;t a clue as to how to go about doing something about it. 

I had hoped that the possibilities of the Internet would be our way out of this conundrum, but so far it only seems to be making things worse.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The Right is convinced the MSM is actively working to undermine legitimate American interests.  The Left tells us it is busily promoting illegitimate ones.</p>
<p>The real truth is much, much worse.  The press is totally apolitical, amoral and has no partisan agenda.  It is strictly a means of making its product as appealing to as many eyeballs as possible so that it&#8217;s services will be sought out by paying advertisers.</p>
<p>The press is a business, and like all businesses, it is concerned only with profit. It does not sell news to its audience, it sells advertising space to corporate interests. It does not give the public information it needs to know, it gives it what it wants to hear.  The free market and capitalist competition no longer operate as a force to improve the product, because the market is no longer the consumer of the news, but the advertiser who bankrolls it.  The media are getting better and better at providing effective advertising, not at delivering information to the masses.</p>
<p>Watch your local TV news, where this process is nakedly exposed.  Real issues are oversimplified to the point of incomprehensibility, or glossed over if they are too complex for the average consumer. Important but routine news is sensationalized and exaggerated to maximize emotional impact.  Human interest and mawkish sentiment are shamelessly exploited.  Entertainment and sports are deliberately promoted to generate public interest (if not mindless fanaticism) in comforting trivia and meaningless rivalry. The only real and competent journalism is in the weather, where the most physically attractive tits and asses (exquisitely coiffed and groomed) and most dazzling graphic aids keep the viewer mesmerized and riveted until the only really worthwhile information, the forecast, can be delivered at the very end.</p>
<p>Meanwhile, more and more of the news is taken over by advertising, much of it disguised as journalism (what the local sports team is up to, or what programming or personalities will be on at prime time). And it all wraps up with the obligatory human interest pap, the brave veteran coping with his shattered body, the kitten rescued from the tree, the noble charity lady patronizing the grubby homeless, the brutish athlete mentoring teen-age thugs and illiterate grade-school delinquents. See the crips and retards. Isn&#8217;t it wonderful how well we take care of them?  Don&#8217;t ya feel much better now? isn&#8217;t everything just ducky? Aren&#8217;t we compassionate?</p>
<p>Network TV news used to be a loss leader, it generated no revenue, but broadcasters took pride in the quality of the journalism, it was a matter of corporate one-upmanship and competition: <em>this</em> is how we serve our community!  But sometime in the eighties, during the Great Commodification, it became just another cog in the business.  It became a revenue-generating machine, and it has been gradually getting worse ever since. There is no commitment to informing the public.  Even today&#8217;s partisan press outlets are primarily devoted to pandering to specific audiences, not educating or persuading the public as a whole, or even intelligently and enthusiastically championing the virtues of a political philosophy, or condemning the evils of another.  </p>
<p>We need a free, unregulated free press, one independent of corporate influence as well as government control and regulation. The best way to do this is with a free-enterprise press run and owned by local professionals and entrepreneurs and supported by user subscription and commercial advertising;  a press that is not afraid to take sides, but that is also willing to take chances and lead in the public arena, not simply avoid controversy and seek out &#8220;equivalence&#8221; at all costs so no one is offended.  I think we used to have one but I don&#8217;t think we do any more. This old model seems to be failing, and I haven&#8217;t a clue as to how to go about doing something about it. </p>
<p>I had hoped that the possibilities of the Internet would be our way out of this conundrum, but so far it only seems to be making things worse.</p>
]]></content:encoded>
	</item>
	<item>
		<title>By: bowser</title>
		<link>https://habitablezone.com/2014/02/20/meanwhile-in-venezuela-2/#comment-29882</link>
		<dc:creator>bowser</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 21 Feb 2014 06:57:07 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid isPermaLink="false">http://habitablezone.com/?p=43201#comment-29882</guid>
		<description>The US would scream it&#039;s guts out if a foreign country announced it&#039;s goal of assassinating the US President.  The US has been involved in assassinating any number of foreign leaders, including Chavez.

That the US is financing the Venezuelan uprising is simply a matter of fact.  Money and people, and purchased influence.

The Venezuelan sin?  NationaliZing the oil industry so that the profits will flow into programs for the people of Venezuela instead of mega-oil.

Anyone who believes what the American press prints is being misled.  Remember Iraq.  Remember Afghanistan, Pakistan, Tillman, ad infinitum.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The US would scream it&#8217;s guts out if a foreign country announced it&#8217;s goal of assassinating the US President.  The US has been involved in assassinating any number of foreign leaders, including Chavez.</p>
<p>That the US is financing the Venezuelan uprising is simply a matter of fact.  Money and people, and purchased influence.</p>
<p>The Venezuelan sin?  NationaliZing the oil industry so that the profits will flow into programs for the people of Venezuela instead of mega-oil.</p>
<p>Anyone who believes what the American press prints is being misled.  Remember Iraq.  Remember Afghanistan, Pakistan, Tillman, ad infinitum.</p>
]]></content:encoded>
	</item>
	<item>
		<title>By: ER</title>
		<link>https://habitablezone.com/2014/02/20/meanwhile-in-venezuela-2/#comment-29872</link>
		<dc:creator>ER</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 21 Feb 2014 00:48:09 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid isPermaLink="false">http://habitablezone.com/?p=43201#comment-29872</guid>
		<description>Both on TV and newspapers, but that might be because there&#039;s a large Venezuelan emigre community here. But there are other reports worldwide, as a quick scan of Google will show.  No media conspiracy here.  Here&#039;s one from Reuters posted about an hour ago



&lt;blockquote&gt;Maduro, elected last year to succeed socialist leader Hugo Chavez, says Lopez and &quot;small fascist groups&quot; are in league with the U.S. government and want a coup.

He has been sharply critical of international media coverage, and on Thursday he warned CNN Español it risked being kicked out of the country if it didn&#039;t &quot;rectify&quot; its ways.

Speaking in Mexico, U.S. President Barack Obama criticized Maduro&#039;s government for arresting protesters and urged it to focus on addressing the &quot;legitimate grievances&quot; of its people.

Obama&#039;s comments were &quot;a new and gross interference&quot; in its internal affairs, Venezuela&#039;s government said in a statement.

http://www.reuters.com/article/2014/02/20/us-venezuela-protests-idUSBREA1J1BX20140220
&lt;/blockquote&gt;


Isn&#039;t that exactly what Putin is whining about re the riots in Kiev? And Obama, of course, is the villain.

As usual, when there&#039;s trouble abroad, both sides blame the USA, one for getting involved, the other for not stepping in.

Meanwhile, the big news seems to be the trouble in Ukraine, but there is also civil unrest in Asia--Thailand, if I&#039;m not mistaken.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Both on TV and newspapers, but that might be because there&#8217;s a large Venezuelan emigre community here. But there are other reports worldwide, as a quick scan of Google will show.  No media conspiracy here.  Here&#8217;s one from Reuters posted about an hour ago</p>
<blockquote><p>Maduro, elected last year to succeed socialist leader Hugo Chavez, says Lopez and &#8220;small fascist groups&#8221; are in league with the U.S. government and want a coup.</p>
<p>He has been sharply critical of international media coverage, and on Thursday he warned CNN Español it risked being kicked out of the country if it didn&#8217;t &#8220;rectify&#8221; its ways.</p>
<p>Speaking in Mexico, U.S. President Barack Obama criticized Maduro&#8217;s government for arresting protesters and urged it to focus on addressing the &#8220;legitimate grievances&#8221; of its people.</p>
<p>Obama&#8217;s comments were &#8220;a new and gross interference&#8221; in its internal affairs, Venezuela&#8217;s government said in a statement.</p>
<p><a href="http://www.reuters.com/article/2014/02/20/us-venezuela-protests-idUSBREA1J1BX20140220" rel="nofollow">http://www.reuters.com/article/2014/02/20/us-venezuela-protests-idUSBREA1J1BX20140220</a>
</p></blockquote>
<p>Isn&#8217;t that exactly what Putin is whining about re the riots in Kiev? And Obama, of course, is the villain.</p>
<p>As usual, when there&#8217;s trouble abroad, both sides blame the USA, one for getting involved, the other for not stepping in.</p>
<p>Meanwhile, the big news seems to be the trouble in Ukraine, but there is also civil unrest in Asia&#8211;Thailand, if I&#8217;m not mistaken.</p>
]]></content:encoded>
	</item>
	<item>
		<title>By: DanS</title>
		<link>https://habitablezone.com/2014/02/20/meanwhile-in-venezuela-2/#comment-29870</link>
		<dc:creator>DanS</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 21 Feb 2014 00:32:47 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid isPermaLink="false">http://habitablezone.com/?p=43201#comment-29870</guid>
		<description>Then there&#039;s China and North Korea facing off.  The Middle East is going to pieces.  North Africa is shooting at anything that moves.  Central Africa is starving to death, with families selling each other to slavery to survive.  Russia&#039;s struggling with the financial burden of sponsoring the Winter Games and battling home-grown terrorists.  North America and Europe remain in financial recovery mode.

Sadly, for the time being, I&#039;m afraid South America made need to fend for itself.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Then there&#8217;s China and North Korea facing off.  The Middle East is going to pieces.  North Africa is shooting at anything that moves.  Central Africa is starving to death, with families selling each other to slavery to survive.  Russia&#8217;s struggling with the financial burden of sponsoring the Winter Games and battling home-grown terrorists.  North America and Europe remain in financial recovery mode.</p>
<p>Sadly, for the time being, I&#8217;m afraid South America made need to fend for itself.</p>
]]></content:encoded>
	</item>
</channel>
</rss>
