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		<title>By: Jody</title>
		<link>https://habitablezone.com/2014/06/30/1/#comment-31194</link>
		<dc:creator>Jody</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 02 Jul 2014 00:23:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I agree Obi Wan.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I agree Obi Wan.</p>
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		<title>By: FrankC</title>
		<link>https://habitablezone.com/2014/06/30/1/#comment-31192</link>
		<dc:creator>FrankC</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 01 Jul 2014 22:52:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Looking back at our history, it is sadly obvious that greed needs come oversight.

That one was easy but a little more than several of the questions were uncomfortable choices foe me.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Looking back at our history, it is sadly obvious that greed needs come oversight.</p>
<p>That one was easy but a little more than several of the questions were uncomfortable choices foe me.</p>
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		<title>By: ER</title>
		<link>https://habitablezone.com/2014/06/30/1/#comment-31191</link>
		<dc:creator>ER</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 01 Jul 2014 20:21:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The artists have always understood exactly what is going on, and have always been the first to sound the alarm.  They may not be able to analyze it rationally, or articulate it effectively, but they have an instinct for the truth which transcends scholarship or analysis, and their own way of communicating it.

Perhaps this is why the reactionaries have always persecuted the artists, as they now do the scientists. And perhaps that is the real reason that access to education is becoming so economically restricted, precisely at a time when training and skills have become so essential to the economy.

After WWII, the GI Bill and cheap public colleges brought education to the working class. That is a mistake they seem determined not to repeat.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The artists have always understood exactly what is going on, and have always been the first to sound the alarm.  They may not be able to analyze it rationally, or articulate it effectively, but they have an instinct for the truth which transcends scholarship or analysis, and their own way of communicating it.</p>
<p>Perhaps this is why the reactionaries have always persecuted the artists, as they now do the scientists. And perhaps that is the real reason that access to education is becoming so economically restricted, precisely at a time when training and skills have become so essential to the economy.</p>
<p>After WWII, the GI Bill and cheap public colleges brought education to the working class. That is a mistake they seem determined not to repeat.</p>
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		<title>By: Robert</title>
		<link>https://habitablezone.com/2014/06/30/1/#comment-31190</link>
		<dc:creator>Robert</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 01 Jul 2014 19:55:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Theoretically. Piketty&#039;s book doesn&#039;t just show how and why wealth inequality (and consequent social inequality) is increasing. He also examined the great crash of wealth in the first half of the 20th century which birthed the middle class and give it a few decades of breathing room, and applies those lessons to a proposal for a global wealth tax that would rein in the problem. If his proposal were ever to get some traction, we might not be doomed to rejoin the plantation society you so colorfully describe.

Feasible? It&#039;s reasonable to doubt whether the 99.9% could ever exert so much influence on an establishment owned lock stock and barrel by the 0.1%.

Speaking of revolution, a few months back Rob brought up the movie &quot;Elysium&quot;. Watched it recently, while reading Piketty, and found that it was almost a visual aid to the book. Rob thought it an unreasonable liberal (naturally) fantasy, but I see it as a reasonable visualization of the world at the end of Piketty&#039;s extrapolation: By 2100, 0.1% will own 90%, a return to conditions the world last saw in the 18th century. 

If you were a member of the aristocracy in that kind of world and you had the means to build an orbiting habitat to get away from the peasants, wouldn&#039;t you? Every member of the 0.1% has done so through history, no reason to think that in the future the rich will behave any differently. Gated communities in the sky. Of course they will.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Theoretically. Piketty&#8217;s book doesn&#8217;t just show how and why wealth inequality (and consequent social inequality) is increasing. He also examined the great crash of wealth in the first half of the 20th century which birthed the middle class and give it a few decades of breathing room, and applies those lessons to a proposal for a global wealth tax that would rein in the problem. If his proposal were ever to get some traction, we might not be doomed to rejoin the plantation society you so colorfully describe.</p>
<p>Feasible? It&#8217;s reasonable to doubt whether the 99.9% could ever exert so much influence on an establishment owned lock stock and barrel by the 0.1%.</p>
<p>Speaking of revolution, a few months back Rob brought up the movie &#8220;Elysium&#8221;. Watched it recently, while reading Piketty, and found that it was almost a visual aid to the book. Rob thought it an unreasonable liberal (naturally) fantasy, but I see it as a reasonable visualization of the world at the end of Piketty&#8217;s extrapolation: By 2100, 0.1% will own 90%, a return to conditions the world last saw in the 18th century. </p>
<p>If you were a member of the aristocracy in that kind of world and you had the means to build an orbiting habitat to get away from the peasants, wouldn&#8217;t you? Every member of the 0.1% has done so through history, no reason to think that in the future the rich will behave any differently. Gated communities in the sky. Of course they will.</p>
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		<title>By: ER</title>
		<link>https://habitablezone.com/2014/06/30/1/#comment-31189</link>
		<dc:creator>ER</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 01 Jul 2014 19:32:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>During the Civil War, Johnny Reb rushed to enlist to fight for Confederate Liberty.  He wanted the Freedom to own slaves.  Of course, slaves were expensive, a good one cost as much as a horse, and to own enough of them to be able to prosper economically was a course of action limited to only a tiny proportion of the South&#039;s white population.  Still, they had psychologically talked themselves into this, they bargained with Providence that they had to fight for the freedom of slave ownership because that was their only hope of rising above the whitetrash/sharecropper level of society. Unless you had a skill or profession or education, the vast majority of white Southerners were destined to remain poor and exploited themselves until they could accumulate their own slaves. Southern agribusiness, unlike the family farm or commercial/industrial society of the North and West, was based on cash crops and slave labor. 

A similar situation exists today. Ask any wage slave today what his ambition in life is, he will usually answer it is to &quot;own his own business&quot;.  Except for those with a skill, profession or education, owning a business is the only way the exploited worker can move ahead, by having workers of his own to exploit. They feel they are entitled to it.

To the Conservative wage slave, the Babbitts, Bunkers and Bubbas, indoctrinated since birth that becoming an exploiter was his only path out of wage slavery, it was the path Providence guaranteed, the road he bargained for, what he sold his soul for.  &lt;em&gt;&quot;Keep your nose clean, follow the rules, work hard and one day you&#039;ll own your own business and have workers of your own to exploit.  And they&#039;ll deserve it, too, because they don&#039;t have the courage, ambition, creativity, work ethic and entrepreneurial spirit that you obviously do.&quot;
&lt;/em&gt;

Its always been this way, it just wasn&#039;t as noticeable because in the past there WAS more opportunity, more possibility that starting your own business, or at least, self-employment, could lift you out of wage slavery.  The economy was growing, the country was rich, and there were still some empty seats left at the front of the bus. And even wage slavery was tolerable, because of unions, benefits, white-collar work, good salaries and retirement, and the welfare safety net.  And the kids, of course, could get off the treadmill, go to public college, and become doctors or lawyers or MBAs.

It didn&#039;t work out that way, though, and now its starting to become obvious it is never going to work out.  And rather than admit to themselves they&#039;ve been conned by the very class they had aspirations to someday join, they have little choice but to look for scapegoats they can blame it all on.

Stand by for heavy rolls.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>During the Civil War, Johnny Reb rushed to enlist to fight for Confederate Liberty.  He wanted the Freedom to own slaves.  Of course, slaves were expensive, a good one cost as much as a horse, and to own enough of them to be able to prosper economically was a course of action limited to only a tiny proportion of the South&#8217;s white population.  Still, they had psychologically talked themselves into this, they bargained with Providence that they had to fight for the freedom of slave ownership because that was their only hope of rising above the whitetrash/sharecropper level of society. Unless you had a skill or profession or education, the vast majority of white Southerners were destined to remain poor and exploited themselves until they could accumulate their own slaves. Southern agribusiness, unlike the family farm or commercial/industrial society of the North and West, was based on cash crops and slave labor. </p>
<p>A similar situation exists today. Ask any wage slave today what his ambition in life is, he will usually answer it is to &#8220;own his own business&#8221;.  Except for those with a skill, profession or education, owning a business is the only way the exploited worker can move ahead, by having workers of his own to exploit. They feel they are entitled to it.</p>
<p>To the Conservative wage slave, the Babbitts, Bunkers and Bubbas, indoctrinated since birth that becoming an exploiter was his only path out of wage slavery, it was the path Providence guaranteed, the road he bargained for, what he sold his soul for.  <em>&#8220;Keep your nose clean, follow the rules, work hard and one day you&#8217;ll own your own business and have workers of your own to exploit.  And they&#8217;ll deserve it, too, because they don&#8217;t have the courage, ambition, creativity, work ethic and entrepreneurial spirit that you obviously do.&#8221;<br />
</em></p>
<p>Its always been this way, it just wasn&#8217;t as noticeable because in the past there WAS more opportunity, more possibility that starting your own business, or at least, self-employment, could lift you out of wage slavery.  The economy was growing, the country was rich, and there were still some empty seats left at the front of the bus. And even wage slavery was tolerable, because of unions, benefits, white-collar work, good salaries and retirement, and the welfare safety net.  And the kids, of course, could get off the treadmill, go to public college, and become doctors or lawyers or MBAs.</p>
<p>It didn&#8217;t work out that way, though, and now its starting to become obvious it is never going to work out.  And rather than admit to themselves they&#8217;ve been conned by the very class they had aspirations to someday join, they have little choice but to look for scapegoats they can blame it all on.</p>
<p>Stand by for heavy rolls.</p>
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		<title>By: bowser</title>
		<link>https://habitablezone.com/2014/06/30/1/#comment-31188</link>
		<dc:creator>bowser</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 01 Jul 2014 19:03:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>A former frequent contributor to these Boards claimed to be a Libertarian/Conservative and strongly voiced the opinion there should be NO government regulation of business.  The marketplace would adjust itself to the optimal configurations and provide the best, cheapest, most efficient services to the community.  I believe that is a fair description of their frequently stated opinion.

And yet that contributor was unemployed, and lived off the earnings of a handicapped spouse whose employment was in a Union job made possible by government regulations forcing the employer to accommodate the handicap.

That Libertarian/Conservative would seem to be hypocritical and an ungrateful wretch busily biting both hands which fed them.  So watch what is done, not what people say.

(By the way, if employers were willing to accommodate the handicap, no laws would be necessary.)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>A former frequent contributor to these Boards claimed to be a Libertarian/Conservative and strongly voiced the opinion there should be NO government regulation of business.  The marketplace would adjust itself to the optimal configurations and provide the best, cheapest, most efficient services to the community.  I believe that is a fair description of their frequently stated opinion.</p>
<p>And yet that contributor was unemployed, and lived off the earnings of a handicapped spouse whose employment was in a Union job made possible by government regulations forcing the employer to accommodate the handicap.</p>
<p>That Libertarian/Conservative would seem to be hypocritical and an ungrateful wretch busily biting both hands which fed them.  So watch what is done, not what people say.</p>
<p>(By the way, if employers were willing to accommodate the handicap, no laws would be necessary.)</p>
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		<title>By: mcfly</title>
		<link>https://habitablezone.com/2014/06/30/1/#comment-31187</link>
		<dc:creator>mcfly</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 01 Jul 2014 17:40:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Look at the Gulf of Mexico oil spill and how BP gyrated like a cornered snake as it tried, over and over again, to evade its responsibilities. Even now, they&#039;re talking about suing many of those who received compensation.

It&#039;s not (necessarily) because they&#039;re evil, but because corporations aren&#039;t people my friend, and they harbor no illusions of responsibility for public well-being. In fact, they often show a distressingly cavalier attitude to the damage they can do to the public. 

GM, for example, openly prefers to dole out some cash to the families it destroys rather than make a safer product. Could there be a plainer example of how corporations value profits over the well-being of its customers, or of people in general?

So who goes too far, government or corporations?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Look at the Gulf of Mexico oil spill and how BP gyrated like a cornered snake as it tried, over and over again, to evade its responsibilities. Even now, they&#8217;re talking about suing many of those who received compensation.</p>
<p>It&#8217;s not (necessarily) because they&#8217;re evil, but because corporations aren&#8217;t people my friend, and they harbor no illusions of responsibility for public well-being. In fact, they often show a distressingly cavalier attitude to the damage they can do to the public. </p>
<p>GM, for example, openly prefers to dole out some cash to the families it destroys rather than make a safer product. Could there be a plainer example of how corporations value profits over the well-being of its customers, or of people in general?</p>
<p>So who goes too far, government or corporations?</p>
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		<title>By: Robert</title>
		<link>https://habitablezone.com/2014/06/30/1/#comment-31186</link>
		<dc:creator>Robert</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 01 Jul 2014 17:22:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Ya know, looking at the way those choices are phrased, I wouldn&#039;t have to know a thing about the current American political situation to know that A is correct. It&#039;s a simple straightforward statement, while B is a vague, sweeping generalization, with a healthy dose of implied paranoia, of the kind that nobody could defend when pressed for details.

But I don&#039;t think the answers are deliberately rigged. A and B really are honest statements about the respective beliefs of liberals and conservatives. A wasn&#039;t even controversial until the last few decades of rightwing propaganda; but now, at a time when the right is showing its contempt for science and rationality and its hatred of anyone or anything different, B has become frighteningly widespread.

The chasm between left and right has become enormous. The more I&#039;m presented with the kind of stark choices represented by A and B, the happier I am to call myself a liberal.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ya know, looking at the way those choices are phrased, I wouldn&#8217;t have to know a thing about the current American political situation to know that A is correct. It&#8217;s a simple straightforward statement, while B is a vague, sweeping generalization, with a healthy dose of implied paranoia, of the kind that nobody could defend when pressed for details.</p>
<p>But I don&#8217;t think the answers are deliberately rigged. A and B really are honest statements about the respective beliefs of liberals and conservatives. A wasn&#8217;t even controversial until the last few decades of rightwing propaganda; but now, at a time when the right is showing its contempt for science and rationality and its hatred of anyone or anything different, B has become frighteningly widespread.</p>
<p>The chasm between left and right has become enormous. The more I&#8217;m presented with the kind of stark choices represented by A and B, the happier I am to call myself a liberal.</p>
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		<title>By: Jody</title>
		<link>https://habitablezone.com/2014/06/30/1/#comment-31185</link>
		<dc:creator>Jody</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 01 Jul 2014 17:16:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>“Government regulation is useful for some limited things but has now gone light years past the reasonable point.”


...Amen

Thanks Friend.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>“Government regulation is useful for some limited things but has now gone light years past the reasonable point.”</p>
<p>&#8230;Amen</p>
<p>Thanks Friend.</p>
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