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		<title>By: DanS</title>
		<link>https://habitablezone.com/2014/09/26/making-sense-islamic-state-crisis-us-hits-is-oil-targets-in-syria/#comment-32004</link>
		<dc:creator>DanS</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 14 Oct 2014 13:05:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>In a nutshell:
Thanks to the USSR&#039;s 6 days of support (more or less) in the Pacific Theater of Operations during WWII, the Vietnam War became a continuation of the Korean War against China, which was a continuation of World War II directed against occupying Soviet troops, fed by China.  Vietnam was the same thing from a different port of entry, but with fewer Russians.  All the UN needed was a glimmer of need from the region so they could mount humane forces against evil China, and they got it, in the form of civil unrest in the southern region of Vietnam directed against the north.

You see, South Vietnam was once a piece of Vietnam, which used to be part of French Indochina.  When the bombs were dropped on Hiroshima and Nagasaki, the USSR declared war on Japan (yeah, after the fact) and swept across southern China (at the time, both the USSR and China were Ally members), dropping off &quot;security forces&quot; along the way.

Much later, after Korea had settled down, hostilities were still brewing in Vietnam.  At the end of WWII (AKA, the Indochina War), Vietnam managed to break away, fairly destroying the French colonial nation of Indochina, turning now to a north-south conflict.  North and South were of feudalistic, dynastic descent, and both deeply based on communistic designs, but the North was accepting rule from evil China, which the South refused (China&#039;s influence was the only political difference).

This is all the prompting the UN actually required to &quot;aid&quot; the people who were being &quot;oppressed&quot; by the mighty Red Dragon.  The nation was then split in half, in an attempt to repeat the tactics won in Korea, but this failed, as North and South remained communist, desired reunification, and thwarted UN attempts to &quot;change&quot; the southern communistic nation to democracy.

Various persons were put in charge of various regions, many with personal agendas, some with hopes of drug-cartel profit, some even stealing community treasures, all of which did nothing to mend the rift.  The small, caring trooper became mere cannon fodder to the pirates in charge.

The rest is history.  We went in, did heroic stuff and, at the fall of Saigon (which determined for the US Congress that the South Vietnamese forces were &quot;refusing&quot; to hold their own), we left.

BTW, reunified Vietnam seems to have recovered well.  Not perfectly well, but well.  There is still a lot of work needed in the area of human rights in the region, but then what nation is really perfect?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In a nutshell:<br />
Thanks to the USSR&#8217;s 6 days of support (more or less) in the Pacific Theater of Operations during WWII, the Vietnam War became a continuation of the Korean War against China, which was a continuation of World War II directed against occupying Soviet troops, fed by China.  Vietnam was the same thing from a different port of entry, but with fewer Russians.  All the UN needed was a glimmer of need from the region so they could mount humane forces against evil China, and they got it, in the form of civil unrest in the southern region of Vietnam directed against the north.</p>
<p>You see, South Vietnam was once a piece of Vietnam, which used to be part of French Indochina.  When the bombs were dropped on Hiroshima and Nagasaki, the USSR declared war on Japan (yeah, after the fact) and swept across southern China (at the time, both the USSR and China were Ally members), dropping off &#8220;security forces&#8221; along the way.</p>
<p>Much later, after Korea had settled down, hostilities were still brewing in Vietnam.  At the end of WWII (AKA, the Indochina War), Vietnam managed to break away, fairly destroying the French colonial nation of Indochina, turning now to a north-south conflict.  North and South were of feudalistic, dynastic descent, and both deeply based on communistic designs, but the North was accepting rule from evil China, which the South refused (China&#8217;s influence was the only political difference).</p>
<p>This is all the prompting the UN actually required to &#8220;aid&#8221; the people who were being &#8220;oppressed&#8221; by the mighty Red Dragon.  The nation was then split in half, in an attempt to repeat the tactics won in Korea, but this failed, as North and South remained communist, desired reunification, and thwarted UN attempts to &#8220;change&#8221; the southern communistic nation to democracy.</p>
<p>Various persons were put in charge of various regions, many with personal agendas, some with hopes of drug-cartel profit, some even stealing community treasures, all of which did nothing to mend the rift.  The small, caring trooper became mere cannon fodder to the pirates in charge.</p>
<p>The rest is history.  We went in, did heroic stuff and, at the fall of Saigon (which determined for the US Congress that the South Vietnamese forces were &#8220;refusing&#8221; to hold their own), we left.</p>
<p>BTW, reunified Vietnam seems to have recovered well.  Not perfectly well, but well.  There is still a lot of work needed in the area of human rights in the region, but then what nation is really perfect?</p>
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		<title>By: bowser</title>
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		<dc:creator>bowser</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 13 Oct 2014 23:18:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;Did we prevent Vietnam from going communist?&quot;

Dan S.  &quot;Going communist?&quot;  Vietnam was communist when we went in.

As I recall, there was a South Vietnam which was not communist and a North Vietnam which was.  I was told we supported the French and then took over the war from them in order to support the South Vietnamese in their efforts to ward off the communists.  Because they weren&#039;t communist.

And that if we didn&#039;t support South Vietnam the entire region would be taken over by the communists with dire consequences for free people everywhere.

And when we left South Vietnam the North Vietnamese did take over the country.  

Can you explain how Vietnam, the entire country, was communist when we went in?  

And the rest of the post is similar.  Silly, really.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;Did we prevent Vietnam from going communist?&#8221;</p>
<p>Dan S.  &#8220;Going communist?&#8221;  Vietnam was communist when we went in.</p>
<p>As I recall, there was a South Vietnam which was not communist and a North Vietnam which was.  I was told we supported the French and then took over the war from them in order to support the South Vietnamese in their efforts to ward off the communists.  Because they weren&#8217;t communist.</p>
<p>And that if we didn&#8217;t support South Vietnam the entire region would be taken over by the communists with dire consequences for free people everywhere.</p>
<p>And when we left South Vietnam the North Vietnamese did take over the country.  </p>
<p>Can you explain how Vietnam, the entire country, was communist when we went in?  </p>
<p>And the rest of the post is similar.  Silly, really.</p>
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		<title>By: DanS</title>
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		<dc:creator>DanS</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 13 Oct 2014 18:28:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>All Jews, the world over, are invited to enjoy a dual citizenship with Israel, and whatever nation they call home.  It&#039;s the Political Promised Land.  This includes all &quot;non-Israeli Jewish US citizens.&quot;  This, of course, does not include certain neighboring terrorist-source nations, with a likely miniscule Jewish population.

And, for bowser and his &quot;Jewish friends,&quot; they are apparently accepted as well, whether they like it or not.  It&#039;s simply in the Israeli constitution -- or whatever they use to govern citizenship.  If they are Jewish, that&#039;s all that&#039;s required -- and Israel will accept any and all $$$$ contributions.

The above was all from memory, ER, about 10 years ago when it sort of mattered to me.  I may be mistaken, but I don&#039;t think so, and this law may have been repealed, but again I don&#039;t think so.  To repeal the ruling would tend to bar more Jews from the Holy Land, and no politician holds that right.

Tried to update this from home last evening, but my iPhone kept timing out.
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>All Jews, the world over, are invited to enjoy a dual citizenship with Israel, and whatever nation they call home.  It&#8217;s the Political Promised Land.  This includes all &#8220;non-Israeli Jewish US citizens.&#8221;  This, of course, does not include certain neighboring terrorist-source nations, with a likely miniscule Jewish population.</p>
<p>And, for bowser and his &#8220;Jewish friends,&#8221; they are apparently accepted as well, whether they like it or not.  It&#8217;s simply in the Israeli constitution &#8212; or whatever they use to govern citizenship.  If they are Jewish, that&#8217;s all that&#8217;s required &#8212; and Israel will accept any and all $$$$ contributions.</p>
<p>The above was all from memory, ER, about 10 years ago when it sort of mattered to me.  I may be mistaken, but I don&#8217;t think so, and this law may have been repealed, but again I don&#8217;t think so.  To repeal the ruling would tend to bar more Jews from the Holy Land, and no politician holds that right.</p>
<p>Tried to update this from home last evening, but my iPhone kept timing out.</p>
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		<title>By: DanS</title>
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		<dc:creator>DanS</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 13 Oct 2014 16:04:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Who&#039;s fighting for whose land?  It&#039;s a bloody (literally) free-for-all.

Get over it, b.

And I see it&#039;s a real easy argument, when you answer your own questions.  Do you talk to yourself much?

The correct answers:

&lt;font color=&quot;#81DAF5&quot;&gt;Did we prevent Vietnam from going communist?&lt;/font&gt;

&quot;Going communist?&quot;  Vietnam was communist when we went in.

&lt;font color=&quot;#81DAF5&quot;&gt;Did we bring democracy to Iraq?&lt;/font&gt;

Yes.  ISIS has yet to have given the nation the chance to vote.

&lt;font color=&quot;#81DAF5&quot;&gt;Did all the countries in the Middle East then take up “democracy”?&lt;/font&gt;

Of course not.  Did you expect them to?

&lt;font color=&quot;#81DAF5&quot;&gt;Do they all love us?&lt;/font&gt;

Aw-w.  &gt;&#039;scuse me -- tearing up, now.&lt;

&lt;font color=&quot;#81DAF5&quot;&gt;Is Afghanistan a democracy?&lt;/font&gt;

Yes.  Being basically corrupt it&#039;s not a very good example, but it is a democracy.

&lt;font color=&quot;#81DAF5&quot;&gt;Does the average Afghani love us?&lt;/font&gt;

I&#039;m not there.  Are you?  I know there are a few people in Europe who don&#039;t care much for us, as well as Asia, a lot of Central America, a good chunk of South America, maybe three people in Africa do...  Obama’s got quite a following.

&lt;font color=&quot;#81DAF5&quot;&gt;It’s not working according to the stated governmental goals. So why keep doing it?&lt;/font&gt;

It&#039;s a bureaucracy (AKA, therefore a cumbersome process), and it&#039;s our job (AKA, we, the American voters).

&lt;font color=&quot;#81DAF5&quot;&gt;Who benefits?&lt;/font&gt;

Really?  Duh! - the world.

&lt;font color=&quot;#81DAF5&quot;&gt;Let’s move on to your idea that bombing in the Middle East is somehow keeping you safe. That’s a stretch. Who has the aircraft, the aircraft carriers, the money and all the rest of it necessary to bomb you? Come on.&lt;/font&gt;

If you actually read it, I stated for the security of the West.  I&#039;m a bit over weight, but I&#039;m not quite that big.

&lt;font color=&quot;#81DAF5&quot;&gt;Are we bombing airfields so they can’t launch and get you? Do you know how ridiculous you sound? (No.)&lt;/font&gt;

Cute.

No, we are not bombing air fields -- as far as I know.  We&#039;re hitting depots (AKA, source targets).  If they become a threat, the airfields will likely follow, complete with &#039;no-fly-zones.&#039;

&lt;font color=&quot;#81DAF5&quot;&gt;Who owns the land after the airplane disappears? The people who live there. And there’s no question about it.&lt;/font&gt;

I&#039;m afraid there are thousands of questions about that, directed from persons uprooted, over the past few years alone, never minding the centuries.  Here in the US alone, we have law suites in place for the reinstatement of Native American lands, including a quarter of Ohio and all of Midtown Manhattan.

The rest of that paragraph is pure crap -- not that any of the post was much better.

I think you need to step away from the fringe sites.  Shall we now get back to Neville Chamberlain and your master-plan that we should all just stick our collective heads in the sand and hope for the best?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Who&#8217;s fighting for whose land?  It&#8217;s a bloody (literally) free-for-all.</p>
<p>Get over it, b.</p>
<p>And I see it&#8217;s a real easy argument, when you answer your own questions.  Do you talk to yourself much?</p>
<p>The correct answers:</p>
<p><font color="#81DAF5">Did we prevent Vietnam from going communist?</font></p>
<p>&#8220;Going communist?&#8221;  Vietnam was communist when we went in.</p>
<p><font color="#81DAF5">Did we bring democracy to Iraq?</font></p>
<p>Yes.  ISIS has yet to have given the nation the chance to vote.</p>
<p><font color="#81DAF5">Did all the countries in the Middle East then take up “democracy”?</font></p>
<p>Of course not.  Did you expect them to?</p>
<p><font color="#81DAF5">Do they all love us?</font></p>
<p>Aw-w.  >&#8217;scuse me &#8212; tearing up, now.< <font color="#81DAF5">Is Afghanistan a democracy?</p>
<p>Yes.  Being basically corrupt it&#8217;s not a very good example, but it is a democracy.</p>
<p><font color="#81DAF5">Does the average Afghani love us?</font></p>
<p>I&#8217;m not there.  Are you?  I know there are a few people in Europe who don&#8217;t care much for us, as well as Asia, a lot of Central America, a good chunk of South America, maybe three people in Africa do&#8230;  Obama’s got quite a following.</p>
<p><font color="#81DAF5">It’s not working according to the stated governmental goals. So why keep doing it?</font></p>
<p>It&#8217;s a bureaucracy (AKA, therefore a cumbersome process), and it&#8217;s our job (AKA, we, the American voters).</p>
<p><font color="#81DAF5">Who benefits?</font></p>
<p>Really?  Duh! &#8211; the world.</p>
<p><font color="#81DAF5">Let’s move on to your idea that bombing in the Middle East is somehow keeping you safe. That’s a stretch. Who has the aircraft, the aircraft carriers, the money and all the rest of it necessary to bomb you? Come on.</font></p>
<p>If you actually read it, I stated for the security of the West.  I&#8217;m a bit over weight, but I&#8217;m not quite that big.</p>
<p><font color="#81DAF5">Are we bombing airfields so they can’t launch and get you? Do you know how ridiculous you sound? (No.)</font></p>
<p>Cute.</p>
<p>No, we are not bombing air fields &#8212; as far as I know.  We&#8217;re hitting depots (AKA, source targets).  If they become a threat, the airfields will likely follow, complete with &#8216;no-fly-zones.&#8217;</p>
<p><font color="#81DAF5">Who owns the land after the airplane disappears? The people who live there. And there’s no question about it.</font></p>
<p>I&#8217;m afraid there are thousands of questions about that, directed from persons uprooted, over the past few years alone, never minding the centuries.  Here in the US alone, we have law suites in place for the reinstatement of Native American lands, including a quarter of Ohio and all of Midtown Manhattan.</p>
<p>The rest of that paragraph is pure crap &#8212; not that any of the post was much better.</p>
<p>I think you need to step away from the fringe sites.  Shall we now get back to Neville Chamberlain and your master-plan that we should all just stick our collective heads in the sand and hope for the best?</p>
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		<title>By: BuckGalaxy</title>
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		<dc:creator>BuckGalaxy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 13 Oct 2014 08:23:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Unfortunately we can&#039;t stomp out Islam (or any other religion).  Only muslims can start a reformation within their religion and take it back from the army of pychopathic murderers that is ISIS and otehr terrorist groups.  Until then, we have to fight them because their demands, the complete surrender of Western culture and civilization to Islamic fundamentalism, is unacceptable.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Unfortunately we can&#8217;t stomp out Islam (or any other religion).  Only muslims can start a reformation within their religion and take it back from the army of pychopathic murderers that is ISIS and otehr terrorist groups.  Until then, we have to fight them because their demands, the complete surrender of Western culture and civilization to Islamic fundamentalism, is unacceptable.</p>
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		<title>By: bowser</title>
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		<dc:creator>bowser</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 12 Oct 2014 04:25:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>If not satire, then what?  Politeness demands that be passed up.

How well has this tactic worked?  Did we prevent Vietnam from going communist?  Did we bring democracy to Iraq?  Did all the countries in the Middle East then take up &quot;democracy&quot;?  Do they all love us?  Is Afghanistan a democracy?  Does the average Afghani love us?

It&#039;s not working according to the stated governmental goals.  So why keep doing it?  Who benefits? 

Let&#039;s move on to your idea that bombing in the Middle East is somehow keeping you safe.  That&#039;s a stretch.  Who has the aircraft, the aircraft carriers, the money and all the rest of it necessary to bomb you?  Come on.
Are we bombing airfields so they can&#039;t launch and get you?  Do you know how ridiculous you sound?  (No.)

Who owns the land after the airplane disappears?  The people who live there.  And there&#039;s no question about it.  You suggest bombing 24/7, and I think you are serious.  Why not write the Pentagon and suggest that?  Oh, yes, and include bombing everywhere, so you can be safe.  Want you sleeping well, don&#039;t we?

So help me, Dan, that&#039;s about the silliest post I&#039;ve ever read.  On a par with the fellow who said that every Palestinian was a terrorist, man, woman and children, and deserved to die.  Kinda radical, huh?  On the order of Hitler and Stalin.  Probably worse than either of those.  Cruel beyond belief.  Who might have done that?

No sense in my continuing this.  We all believe what we want to believe, and some of us want to believe that which isn&#039;t attached to reality.  No way to bring them to rationality.

I don&#039;t know if this is a rant or not.  Doesn&#039;t matter.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>If not satire, then what?  Politeness demands that be passed up.</p>
<p>How well has this tactic worked?  Did we prevent Vietnam from going communist?  Did we bring democracy to Iraq?  Did all the countries in the Middle East then take up &#8220;democracy&#8221;?  Do they all love us?  Is Afghanistan a democracy?  Does the average Afghani love us?</p>
<p>It&#8217;s not working according to the stated governmental goals.  So why keep doing it?  Who benefits? </p>
<p>Let&#8217;s move on to your idea that bombing in the Middle East is somehow keeping you safe.  That&#8217;s a stretch.  Who has the aircraft, the aircraft carriers, the money and all the rest of it necessary to bomb you?  Come on.<br />
Are we bombing airfields so they can&#8217;t launch and get you?  Do you know how ridiculous you sound?  (No.)</p>
<p>Who owns the land after the airplane disappears?  The people who live there.  And there&#8217;s no question about it.  You suggest bombing 24/7, and I think you are serious.  Why not write the Pentagon and suggest that?  Oh, yes, and include bombing everywhere, so you can be safe.  Want you sleeping well, don&#8217;t we?</p>
<p>So help me, Dan, that&#8217;s about the silliest post I&#8217;ve ever read.  On a par with the fellow who said that every Palestinian was a terrorist, man, woman and children, and deserved to die.  Kinda radical, huh?  On the order of Hitler and Stalin.  Probably worse than either of those.  Cruel beyond belief.  Who might have done that?</p>
<p>No sense in my continuing this.  We all believe what we want to believe, and some of us want to believe that which isn&#8217;t attached to reality.  No way to bring them to rationality.</p>
<p>I don&#8217;t know if this is a rant or not.  Doesn&#8217;t matter.</p>
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		<title>By: DanS</title>
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		<dc:creator>DanS</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 10 Oct 2014 16:21:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Why, obviously it&#039;s the oil, right?  From what I&#039;ve seen of your typing, that seems to be all any conflict could ever reduce to.  This fight could be in an oil-poor country like Tunisia and you&#039;d shout about the US trying to corner the chicken-grease concession.  It&#039;s like there could absolutely never be any other reason for the Middle East to be in such an uproar, or for the US to get involved, than the obvious theft of oil.

I really hate to rant.  At parties, I sit quietly and nod my head a lot, knowing better than to pick a fight about something so stupid as politics and/or war.  Might as well argue about football.  Same results.  At best, it&#039;s unbecoming.  At worst, you&#039;ve lost a friend, an acquaintance, a significant whatever.  At best, I just try to keep my beast chained up, but then, occasionally...

Some people are greedy and hate anyone who has more of anything than they -- particularly money -- and I understand this.  I don&#039;t agree, but I understand it.  It&#039;s a human nature.  The trouble is, they also tend to hate Corporate America, simply because the corporations (only the richest, of course) hire lawyers (only the best, of course) and law makers (only the sneakiest, of course) to get them the best tax shelters in the universe.  The fight, though, should not be with the Upper Class, but rather with those sneaky law makers, our slick elected officials who allow these crimes to propagate against the fading Middle Class, against the broadening Lower Class, and even against the trust anyone could have for their own stinking-rich neighbors.

That&#039;s okay, if it&#039;s only a few who feel this way, but it&#039;s not.  There&#039;s a very strong majority of lost, 2D minds in this country.  I get it, though.  The desire for something-for-nothing is the want of all humans.  It&#039;s as natural as sleeping -- but get off the oil-kick, b!  It&#039;s just a skipping record!

&lt;font color=&quot;#81DAF5&quot;&gt;&quot;As soon as we stop bombing they come back, with even more strength, as the bombing creates more enemies than it can possibly kill. And they are fighting for their religious beliefs, for their way of life, and for their lands, their ground.&quot;&lt;/font&gt;

No, they only come back stronger when we back off and leave them alone for a while -- and we can kill them all, it&#039;s just illegal to do it.  But if the courts of law are all dead, who’s to say?

&lt;font color=&quot;#81DAF5&quot;&gt;&quot;And as soon as the last plane flies away, they own it again.&quot;&lt;/font&gt;

Yeah, I like this one.  They own it again.  From which treaty?  Somewhere in the 1950s?  The 1850s?  The 89BCs?

-- &quot;Holy Land, Batman!  Don&#039;t you get it?!&quot; --

As for the US not fighting, we&#039;re fighting all over this country, as well as in distant nations where the US has lost value, all due to Obama&#039;s great master plan for his foreign relations agenda -- whatever that might be.  Yeah -- well, Red-Line this!

&lt;font color=&quot;#81DAF5&quot;&gt;&quot;...expending ordnance, dropping huge bombs which have a huge kill radius – every man, woman, child, goat, dog and cat...&quot;&lt;/font&gt;

And?  War is the indiscriminant killer, remember?

If that ordinance hits the twisted, hooded, holier-than-thou gunsel aiming his ordinance at me, at my family, at my friends, as well as at our troops, I really don&#039;t care how he&#039;s taken down.  BTW, I feel the same way about cop-killers.  How about that?  They&#039;ve hit us once with an international murder in the Empire State.  They hit us hard, and have been trying again and again for a repeat performance.  It can be done, it was done, and it so happens I don&#039;t like it.  You can pretend it was someone else, but that doesn&#039;t change the facts.

Now, if &lt;font color=&quot;#81DAF5&quot;&gt;&quot;every man, woman, child, goat, dog and cat&quot;&lt;/font&gt; want, but are not financially able, to get out of the obvious line of Allied fire, then they should do something a bit more immediate, like getting rid of the twisted, hooded, holier-than-thou gunsel who keeps making them and their families a piece of the target.

It’s easy to know where to start, b.  It starts at home with our own children.  Education and devotion.  The IS knows this, for that&#039;s where their recruiting begins, at home.  Their education is a bit different from ours, though, more like a class on Reichdom.  My solution is to win this war, and if to do so requires a devastating strike, then let it happen.  We have stored ordinance no right-thinking man, woman, or child should ever have dreamed of developing.  &lt;i&gt;Shock and Awe&lt;/i&gt;?  Only if someone who might have seen it survives the hit.

Meet my beast, and I live with him daily.  I have no trouble hitting the switch, but I keep it controlled.

So, what&#039;ve you got?  We can&#039;t win?  That&#039;s it?  That&#039;s your strategy?  Give up the fight and bow down to the Prophet, while the twisted, hooded, holier-than-thou gunsel standing behind your kids hacks off their heads -- and then yours?  Wow.  You would have been a great morale-booster for Britain during the blitz -- but then that was probably all about the US getting its grubby paws on all that gleaming German oil.  Along with carpet-bombing their cities, we did keep hitting their fuel dumps.

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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Why, obviously it&#8217;s the oil, right?  From what I&#8217;ve seen of your typing, that seems to be all any conflict could ever reduce to.  This fight could be in an oil-poor country like Tunisia and you&#8217;d shout about the US trying to corner the chicken-grease concession.  It&#8217;s like there could absolutely never be any other reason for the Middle East to be in such an uproar, or for the US to get involved, than the obvious theft of oil.</p>
<p>I really hate to rant.  At parties, I sit quietly and nod my head a lot, knowing better than to pick a fight about something so stupid as politics and/or war.  Might as well argue about football.  Same results.  At best, it&#8217;s unbecoming.  At worst, you&#8217;ve lost a friend, an acquaintance, a significant whatever.  At best, I just try to keep my beast chained up, but then, occasionally&#8230;</p>
<p>Some people are greedy and hate anyone who has more of anything than they &#8212; particularly money &#8212; and I understand this.  I don&#8217;t agree, but I understand it.  It&#8217;s a human nature.  The trouble is, they also tend to hate Corporate America, simply because the corporations (only the richest, of course) hire lawyers (only the best, of course) and law makers (only the sneakiest, of course) to get them the best tax shelters in the universe.  The fight, though, should not be with the Upper Class, but rather with those sneaky law makers, our slick elected officials who allow these crimes to propagate against the fading Middle Class, against the broadening Lower Class, and even against the trust anyone could have for their own stinking-rich neighbors.</p>
<p>That&#8217;s okay, if it&#8217;s only a few who feel this way, but it&#8217;s not.  There&#8217;s a very strong majority of lost, 2D minds in this country.  I get it, though.  The desire for something-for-nothing is the want of all humans.  It&#8217;s as natural as sleeping &#8212; but get off the oil-kick, b!  It&#8217;s just a skipping record!</p>
<p><font color="#81DAF5">&#8220;As soon as we stop bombing they come back, with even more strength, as the bombing creates more enemies than it can possibly kill. And they are fighting for their religious beliefs, for their way of life, and for their lands, their ground.&#8221;</font></p>
<p>No, they only come back stronger when we back off and leave them alone for a while &#8212; and we can kill them all, it&#8217;s just illegal to do it.  But if the courts of law are all dead, who’s to say?</p>
<p><font color="#81DAF5">&#8220;And as soon as the last plane flies away, they own it again.&#8221;</font></p>
<p>Yeah, I like this one.  They own it again.  From which treaty?  Somewhere in the 1950s?  The 1850s?  The 89BCs?</p>
<p>&#8211; &#8220;Holy Land, Batman!  Don&#8217;t you get it?!&#8221; &#8211;</p>
<p>As for the US not fighting, we&#8217;re fighting all over this country, as well as in distant nations where the US has lost value, all due to Obama&#8217;s great master plan for his foreign relations agenda &#8212; whatever that might be.  Yeah &#8212; well, Red-Line this!</p>
<p><font color="#81DAF5">&#8220;&#8230;expending ordnance, dropping huge bombs which have a huge kill radius – every man, woman, child, goat, dog and cat&#8230;&#8221;</font></p>
<p>And?  War is the indiscriminant killer, remember?</p>
<p>If that ordinance hits the twisted, hooded, holier-than-thou gunsel aiming his ordinance at me, at my family, at my friends, as well as at our troops, I really don&#8217;t care how he&#8217;s taken down.  BTW, I feel the same way about cop-killers.  How about that?  They&#8217;ve hit us once with an international murder in the Empire State.  They hit us hard, and have been trying again and again for a repeat performance.  It can be done, it was done, and it so happens I don&#8217;t like it.  You can pretend it was someone else, but that doesn&#8217;t change the facts.</p>
<p>Now, if <font color="#81DAF5">&#8220;every man, woman, child, goat, dog and cat&#8221;</font> want, but are not financially able, to get out of the obvious line of Allied fire, then they should do something a bit more immediate, like getting rid of the twisted, hooded, holier-than-thou gunsel who keeps making them and their families a piece of the target.</p>
<p>It’s easy to know where to start, b.  It starts at home with our own children.  Education and devotion.  The IS knows this, for that&#8217;s where their recruiting begins, at home.  Their education is a bit different from ours, though, more like a class on Reichdom.  My solution is to win this war, and if to do so requires a devastating strike, then let it happen.  We have stored ordinance no right-thinking man, woman, or child should ever have dreamed of developing.  <i>Shock and Awe</i>?  Only if someone who might have seen it survives the hit.</p>
<p>Meet my beast, and I live with him daily.  I have no trouble hitting the switch, but I keep it controlled.</p>
<p>So, what&#8217;ve you got?  We can&#8217;t win?  That&#8217;s it?  That&#8217;s your strategy?  Give up the fight and bow down to the Prophet, while the twisted, hooded, holier-than-thou gunsel standing behind your kids hacks off their heads &#8212; and then yours?  Wow.  You would have been a great morale-booster for Britain during the blitz &#8212; but then that was probably all about the US getting its grubby paws on all that gleaming German oil.  Along with carpet-bombing their cities, we did keep hitting their fuel dumps.</p>
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		<title>By: TB</title>
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		<dc:creator>TB</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 10 Oct 2014 02:41:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;The Siege of Kobane.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;a href=&quot;http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2786203/The-black-flag-STILL-flies-Kobane-ISIS-steps-assault-rest-besieged-town-controls-US-says-airstrikes-not-stop-them.html&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Here.&lt;/a&gt;

It&#039;s pretty obvious who&#039;s fighting for their homes and lives in this war, and who the aggressors are. Turkey is blocking refugees, and waiting to take over the remains.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The Siege of Kobane.</p>
<p><a href="http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2786203/The-black-flag-STILL-flies-Kobane-ISIS-steps-assault-rest-besieged-town-controls-US-says-airstrikes-not-stop-them.html" rel="nofollow">Here.</a></p>
<p>It&#8217;s pretty obvious who&#8217;s fighting for their homes and lives in this war, and who the aggressors are. Turkey is blocking refugees, and waiting to take over the remains.</p>
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		<title>By: bowser</title>
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		<dc:creator>bowser</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 09 Oct 2014 22:43:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It&#039;s hard to know where to start.
First, as a former infantryman in VN, you must be aware there are different reasons people fight.  The motivation of the Vietnamese was the unification of their country, driving the foreign devils out.  They had been doing that for a 1,000 years.  They wanted it.

The motivation of the Americans was to get out of there alive and to protect your buddy.  To get your 13 months over.

The motivation of the Afghans against the Russians was the same.  As well as against the Americans.  They want it.

The US is fighting a war we cannot win.  As soon as we stop bombing they come back, with even more strength, as the bombing creates more enemies than it can possibly kill.  And they are fighting for their religious beliefs, for their way of life, and for their lands, their ground.  And as soon as the last plane flies away, they own it again.

The US is not fighting - it is simply expending ordnance, dropping huge bombs which have a huge kill radius - every man, woman, child, goat, dog and cat.  Called &quot;terrorism&quot;.  No chance to win, any more if they were bombing your city or mine.  Simply creates more hatred.  All to protect BP, Exxon, etc.

It&#039;s an ego-gratifying thing to do, appeals to adolescents, to people who don&#039;t understand.  And it&#039;s impossible to explain to those who haven&#039;t grown past the &quot;beat &#039;em up&quot; stage.  Impossible.  And still even those can look at what works and what doesn&#039;t.

That&#039;s all I have time and energy for.  I probably won&#039;t go into the other matters, I don&#039;t think it would be understood anyway.  And you don&#039;t have to be a sucker anymore.  What&#039;s the goal, what works and who gains?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It&#8217;s hard to know where to start.<br />
First, as a former infantryman in VN, you must be aware there are different reasons people fight.  The motivation of the Vietnamese was the unification of their country, driving the foreign devils out.  They had been doing that for a 1,000 years.  They wanted it.</p>
<p>The motivation of the Americans was to get out of there alive and to protect your buddy.  To get your 13 months over.</p>
<p>The motivation of the Afghans against the Russians was the same.  As well as against the Americans.  They want it.</p>
<p>The US is fighting a war we cannot win.  As soon as we stop bombing they come back, with even more strength, as the bombing creates more enemies than it can possibly kill.  And they are fighting for their religious beliefs, for their way of life, and for their lands, their ground.  And as soon as the last plane flies away, they own it again.</p>
<p>The US is not fighting &#8211; it is simply expending ordnance, dropping huge bombs which have a huge kill radius &#8211; every man, woman, child, goat, dog and cat.  Called &#8220;terrorism&#8221;.  No chance to win, any more if they were bombing your city or mine.  Simply creates more hatred.  All to protect BP, Exxon, etc.</p>
<p>It&#8217;s an ego-gratifying thing to do, appeals to adolescents, to people who don&#8217;t understand.  And it&#8217;s impossible to explain to those who haven&#8217;t grown past the &#8220;beat &#8216;em up&#8221; stage.  Impossible.  And still even those can look at what works and what doesn&#8217;t.</p>
<p>That&#8217;s all I have time and energy for.  I probably won&#8217;t go into the other matters, I don&#8217;t think it would be understood anyway.  And you don&#8217;t have to be a sucker anymore.  What&#8217;s the goal, what works and who gains?</p>
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		<title>By: DanS</title>
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		<dc:creator>DanS</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 09 Oct 2014 12:57:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Small-Worlders and Shut-Ins believe in community -- even if it&#039;s just a city block, or even less -- simply because they can see what&#039;s happening around them.  This is immediate.  This is their whole world.  This is a grouping of persons, not necessarily people who are liked, not necessarily purely Small-Worlders and Shut-Ins, but they are recognized as being group-members, as being neighbors, as being known faces in the local crowd.  They may occasionally fight with each other, but they can generally get along.  They may disagree, but still get together for a morning cup of coffee, still share gardening equipment, still help each other with car trouble, still sit with each others&#039; kids.  They tolerate each other and they manage to get along.

It takes an Outgoing Personality to see beyond this community, to see beyond the local horizon, to see that this world of ours is indeed finite, a vast thing, true, but one to be cherished, a cradle for all humanity to share.  A thing to protect.

In 2003, I rejoiced this world&#039;s embarkation upon a glorious journey, with the completed mapping of the human genome.  New medicines were being developed to ease life, to combat disease, with cancer and multiple sclerosis taking hard hits.  We learned that everyone had cancer triggers, but we also learned there were healthy choices each person could make that physically shut these genetic killer-switches off, that dramatically increased the general human life span.

At the recent formation of the notorious IS, the world embarked upon a newer, far more hazardous journey.  Again, we have choices to make, some of them healthy, some of them difficult, but all of them necessary.  Today, the disease of terrorism, both abroad and home-grown, needs to be purged from the system.

The threat we now confront is the very real potential for a global conflict, one which includes for terror groups the further development of weapons of mass destruction, a war which may well include all nations, even bringing our Small-Worlders and Shut-Ins of the local, city-block-sized communities to be seized in bitter, bloody conflict.

I am an Infantry man, and I know a thing or two regarding tactics.  For the IS to have any hope of winning their current battle, they must believe in total victory.  They must believe there can be no reprisal.  They must believe this, and they must believe the West will fall to the wayside.

The West?

Many take the Nevil Chamberlain approach, believing, as with handling their minor neighborhood disputes, the IS can be &quot;calmed,&quot; “pacified” even, to a better state of purpose.  After decades of war, it is believe we can now talk of peace.  Well, this can happen, but only when both sides grow weary of death and seek life, not just the one side.  That is what makes any treaty a binding pact -- honesty, devoid of duplicity.

This being the current state of affairs, I do not see any lasting peace to be a possibility.  The IS are not our “Misguided Children,” to be scolded and sent to their rooms.  The IS are the “True Believers.”  These are the “Warriors of God.”  These are people on a “Heavenly Path of Righteousness.”  Cut them, do thy not bleed the blood of the Prophet?  Kill them, will they not find solace in the Divine Presence of Allah.

And we&#039;re supposed to to coddle them, to &lt;b&gt;&lt;i&gt;scare&lt;/i&gt;&lt;/b&gt; them into peace?

It&#039;s a nice idea.  I like it.  Everyone should be able to just get along with everyone else.  Trouble is, it just don&#039;t work out that way.  Deviants exist, show themselves, harm, maim and kill the Small-Worlders, the Shut-Ins, as well as the Outgoing Personalities.  It ain&#039;t pretty, but that&#039;s what&#039;s going on.  We can catch them, corral them, keep them locked up until they die (at great taxpayer expense), or we could simply eliminate them, and likely with the same cost in Allied lives as would be lost to keep them alive.

Hess remained in our care in Berlin until he finally died.  Manson will stay until he&#039;s dead and buried.  A hanging would have been a lot cheaper with the both of them.  Is there a reason IS Militants with designs on sinking the West (all of it) and murdering as many Westerners (regardless of education, sex, occupation or age) as they can should be handled better than these two misfits?  Tell me all about it.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Small-Worlders and Shut-Ins believe in community &#8212; even if it&#8217;s just a city block, or even less &#8212; simply because they can see what&#8217;s happening around them.  This is immediate.  This is their whole world.  This is a grouping of persons, not necessarily people who are liked, not necessarily purely Small-Worlders and Shut-Ins, but they are recognized as being group-members, as being neighbors, as being known faces in the local crowd.  They may occasionally fight with each other, but they can generally get along.  They may disagree, but still get together for a morning cup of coffee, still share gardening equipment, still help each other with car trouble, still sit with each others&#8217; kids.  They tolerate each other and they manage to get along.</p>
<p>It takes an Outgoing Personality to see beyond this community, to see beyond the local horizon, to see that this world of ours is indeed finite, a vast thing, true, but one to be cherished, a cradle for all humanity to share.  A thing to protect.</p>
<p>In 2003, I rejoiced this world&#8217;s embarkation upon a glorious journey, with the completed mapping of the human genome.  New medicines were being developed to ease life, to combat disease, with cancer and multiple sclerosis taking hard hits.  We learned that everyone had cancer triggers, but we also learned there were healthy choices each person could make that physically shut these genetic killer-switches off, that dramatically increased the general human life span.</p>
<p>At the recent formation of the notorious IS, the world embarked upon a newer, far more hazardous journey.  Again, we have choices to make, some of them healthy, some of them difficult, but all of them necessary.  Today, the disease of terrorism, both abroad and home-grown, needs to be purged from the system.</p>
<p>The threat we now confront is the very real potential for a global conflict, one which includes for terror groups the further development of weapons of mass destruction, a war which may well include all nations, even bringing our Small-Worlders and Shut-Ins of the local, city-block-sized communities to be seized in bitter, bloody conflict.</p>
<p>I am an Infantry man, and I know a thing or two regarding tactics.  For the IS to have any hope of winning their current battle, they must believe in total victory.  They must believe there can be no reprisal.  They must believe this, and they must believe the West will fall to the wayside.</p>
<p>The West?</p>
<p>Many take the Nevil Chamberlain approach, believing, as with handling their minor neighborhood disputes, the IS can be &#8220;calmed,&#8221; “pacified” even, to a better state of purpose.  After decades of war, it is believe we can now talk of peace.  Well, this can happen, but only when both sides grow weary of death and seek life, not just the one side.  That is what makes any treaty a binding pact &#8212; honesty, devoid of duplicity.</p>
<p>This being the current state of affairs, I do not see any lasting peace to be a possibility.  The IS are not our “Misguided Children,” to be scolded and sent to their rooms.  The IS are the “True Believers.”  These are the “Warriors of God.”  These are people on a “Heavenly Path of Righteousness.”  Cut them, do thy not bleed the blood of the Prophet?  Kill them, will they not find solace in the Divine Presence of Allah.</p>
<p>And we&#8217;re supposed to to coddle them, to <b><i>scare</i></b> them into peace?</p>
<p>It&#8217;s a nice idea.  I like it.  Everyone should be able to just get along with everyone else.  Trouble is, it just don&#8217;t work out that way.  Deviants exist, show themselves, harm, maim and kill the Small-Worlders, the Shut-Ins, as well as the Outgoing Personalities.  It ain&#8217;t pretty, but that&#8217;s what&#8217;s going on.  We can catch them, corral them, keep them locked up until they die (at great taxpayer expense), or we could simply eliminate them, and likely with the same cost in Allied lives as would be lost to keep them alive.</p>
<p>Hess remained in our care in Berlin until he finally died.  Manson will stay until he&#8217;s dead and buried.  A hanging would have been a lot cheaper with the both of them.  Is there a reason IS Militants with designs on sinking the West (all of it) and murdering as many Westerners (regardless of education, sex, occupation or age) as they can should be handled better than these two misfits?  Tell me all about it.</p>
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