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		<title>By: hank</title>
		<link>https://habitablezone.com/2015/03/24/message-for-er/#comment-32394</link>
		<dc:creator>hank</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 28 Mar 2015 17:54:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The goal is to make all cultural institutions and human interaction, all economic and intellectual activity, a product, so they can not only charge you for it, but control the rights to it in perpetuity.

&quot;You want to plant our super variety of high yield corn?  Great, but it won&#039;t grow unless you buy our proprietary fertilizer, pesticide, herbicide, fungicide...&quot;

Its what they really mean by &quot;There ain&#039;t no such thing as a free lunch.&quot;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The goal is to make all cultural institutions and human interaction, all economic and intellectual activity, a product, so they can not only charge you for it, but control the rights to it in perpetuity.</p>
<p>&#8220;You want to plant our super variety of high yield corn?  Great, but it won&#8217;t grow unless you buy our proprietary fertilizer, pesticide, herbicide, fungicide&#8230;&#8221;</p>
<p>Its what they really mean by &#8220;There ain&#8217;t no such thing as a free lunch.&#8221;</p>
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		<title>By: Robert</title>
		<link>https://habitablezone.com/2015/03/24/message-for-er/#comment-32392</link>
		<dc:creator>Robert</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 28 Mar 2015 05:42:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>If it were just the page layout, you&#039;re right, it&#039;s pretty standard in The Modern Style, designed to work on a wide array of &quot;devices&quot;.

But I write the software on the server that makes it do things like present and grade quizzes, and issue PDF certificates and track progress. I got to the part of their terms of service that declared their ownership of all intellectual property including not just the design but its functions--the aforesaid quizzes and certificates and so on and on. The things in my head, my ownership of which would be contaminated by taking an up close look at how somebody else is doing it.

We tend to forget that education is a business, because the world is full of state-sponsored and non-profit institutions, and we want to think idealistic thoughts about Education and Learning. But remember too that times are tough for education everywhere, and the lean times are probably permanent. Everybody&#039;s competing for business--enrollment--and I forgot that. Balancing intellectual property rights has long been a part of my professional life, and I let down my guard for a moment.

You described the courses as presented by the BBC, but actually, FutureLearn who offers the courses, I discovered while researching it and reading their About, is:

&lt;blockquote&gt;a private company wholly owned by The Open University...We have 40 partners from the UK, Europe, Africa, Asia and the Middle East. These include many of the best UK and international universities...We also work with a range of internationally renowned organisations - from professional bodies such as the Association of Chartered Certified Accountants (ACCA) and Institution of Engineering and Technology (IET), to businesses like the BBC and Marks &amp; Spencer, to the UK Government.&lt;/blockquote&gt;

Took &#039;em two paragraphs (those were some broad ellipses) to get around to mentioning their for-profit partners. That&#039;s The Modern Style too, those &quot;public-private&quot; partnerships so beloved of the &quot;neoliberals&quot; (how I grit my teeth over that foul misappropriate of liberal). The fact that all those non-profits spun off a private company to do this with for-profit partners tells me they intend to guard their intellectual property, and its potential wealth-generating power, with lawyers and money.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>If it were just the page layout, you&#8217;re right, it&#8217;s pretty standard in The Modern Style, designed to work on a wide array of &#8220;devices&#8221;.</p>
<p>But I write the software on the server that makes it do things like present and grade quizzes, and issue PDF certificates and track progress. I got to the part of their terms of service that declared their ownership of all intellectual property including not just the design but its functions&#8211;the aforesaid quizzes and certificates and so on and on. The things in my head, my ownership of which would be contaminated by taking an up close look at how somebody else is doing it.</p>
<p>We tend to forget that education is a business, because the world is full of state-sponsored and non-profit institutions, and we want to think idealistic thoughts about Education and Learning. But remember too that times are tough for education everywhere, and the lean times are probably permanent. Everybody&#8217;s competing for business&#8211;enrollment&#8211;and I forgot that. Balancing intellectual property rights has long been a part of my professional life, and I let down my guard for a moment.</p>
<p>You described the courses as presented by the BBC, but actually, FutureLearn who offers the courses, I discovered while researching it and reading their About, is:</p>
<blockquote><p>a private company wholly owned by The Open University&#8230;We have 40 partners from the UK, Europe, Africa, Asia and the Middle East. These include many of the best UK and international universities&#8230;We also work with a range of internationally renowned organisations &#8211; from professional bodies such as the Association of Chartered Certified Accountants (ACCA) and Institution of Engineering and Technology (IET), to businesses like the BBC and Marks &amp; Spencer, to the UK Government.</p></blockquote>
<p>Took &#8216;em two paragraphs (those were some broad ellipses) to get around to mentioning their for-profit partners. That&#8217;s The Modern Style too, those &#8220;public-private&#8221; partnerships so beloved of the &#8220;neoliberals&#8221; (how I grit my teeth over that foul misappropriate of liberal). The fact that all those non-profits spun off a private company to do this with for-profit partners tells me they intend to guard their intellectual property, and its potential wealth-generating power, with lawyers and money.</p>
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		<title>By: bowser</title>
		<link>https://habitablezone.com/2015/03/24/message-for-er/#comment-32388</link>
		<dc:creator>bowser</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 27 Mar 2015 15:59:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The courses are all laid out the same.  It seems ridiculous that a format could be proprietary.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The courses are all laid out the same.  It seems ridiculous that a format could be proprietary.</p>
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		<title>By: ER</title>
		<link>https://habitablezone.com/2015/03/24/message-for-er/#comment-32386</link>
		<dc:creator>ER</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 26 Mar 2015 21:00:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;ll check it out.  Mme Reclus and I buy a lot of BBC video drama, they do very good stuff.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;ll check it out.  Mme Reclus and I buy a lot of BBC video drama, they do very good stuff.</p>
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		<title>By: Robert</title>
		<link>https://habitablezone.com/2015/03/24/message-for-er/#comment-32381</link>
		<dc:creator>Robert</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 26 Mar 2015 04:43:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I just read the terms of service, and found what I feared: I can&#039;t take the course because if I do, they might sue me because parts of my online course web sites resemble parts of theirs. Silly me, being so jazzed to find somebody doing what I&#039;m doing. Forgot for a moment that just because it&#039;s education doesn&#039;t mean that there isn&#039;t competition and a financial stake.

Oops.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I just read the terms of service, and found what I feared: I can&#8217;t take the course because if I do, they might sue me because parts of my online course web sites resemble parts of theirs. Silly me, being so jazzed to find somebody doing what I&#8217;m doing. Forgot for a moment that just because it&#8217;s education doesn&#8217;t mean that there isn&#8217;t competition and a financial stake.</p>
<p>Oops.</p>
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		<title>By: Robert</title>
		<link>https://habitablezone.com/2015/03/24/message-for-er/#comment-32380</link>
		<dc:creator>Robert</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 26 Mar 2015 04:26:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Kinda confirms my faith in &quot;social learning&quot;: &quot;Each student brought different experiences, knowledge and perspective to the subject&quot;. Nice. So much better than the initial online learning model of a wretched student, usually a day-worker studying at night, alone, in the dark, for endless tedious hours. That&#039;s horrible, and as somebody who builds those courses, I couldn&#039;t inflict that on anybody.

We use that pattern of quizzes and a final test, and while, since they&#039;re voluntary, I suppose a lot of people skip them, it&#039;s good to know that some people do respond the way you do. Those small quizzes along the way demonstrably work the lesson deeper into your synapses, and everybody should work them the way you do.

I signed up for Religion and Conflict, so I expect we&#039;ll cross paths on the comment threads. The estimated four hours a week may prove an issue for me, so I may drop out at some point. One of the downers about online education is that course completion rates are abysmal, at least for free courses (we charge $hundreds for some of our continuing ed professional development courses, and believe me, &lt;i&gt;nobody&lt;/i&gt; drops out of a course after paying significant real dinero). No surprise that people devalue what they don&#039;t pay for.

You wrote that religion and, presumably conflict, is &quot;a subject upon which I have some very firm ideas which need to be challenged&quot;, and that&#039;s what I felt reading the course description. After so many years at war in the Middle East, we &lt;i&gt;feel&lt;/i&gt; a sense of familiarity with the people and cultures there...but it could be false. It&#039;s likely to be false, and the real question is the degree of falsehood.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Kinda confirms my faith in &#8220;social learning&#8221;: &#8220;Each student brought different experiences, knowledge and perspective to the subject&#8221;. Nice. So much better than the initial online learning model of a wretched student, usually a day-worker studying at night, alone, in the dark, for endless tedious hours. That&#8217;s horrible, and as somebody who builds those courses, I couldn&#8217;t inflict that on anybody.</p>
<p>We use that pattern of quizzes and a final test, and while, since they&#8217;re voluntary, I suppose a lot of people skip them, it&#8217;s good to know that some people do respond the way you do. Those small quizzes along the way demonstrably work the lesson deeper into your synapses, and everybody should work them the way you do.</p>
<p>I signed up for Religion and Conflict, so I expect we&#8217;ll cross paths on the comment threads. The estimated four hours a week may prove an issue for me, so I may drop out at some point. One of the downers about online education is that course completion rates are abysmal, at least for free courses (we charge $hundreds for some of our continuing ed professional development courses, and believe me, <i>nobody</i> drops out of a course after paying significant real dinero). No surprise that people devalue what they don&#8217;t pay for.</p>
<p>You wrote that religion and, presumably conflict, is &#8220;a subject upon which I have some very firm ideas which need to be challenged&#8221;, and that&#8217;s what I felt reading the course description. After so many years at war in the Middle East, we <i>feel</i> a sense of familiarity with the people and cultures there&#8230;but it could be false. It&#8217;s likely to be false, and the real question is the degree of falsehood.</p>
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		<title>By: bowser</title>
		<link>https://habitablezone.com/2015/03/24/message-for-er/#comment-32379</link>
		<dc:creator>bowser</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 25 Mar 2015 20:31:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>They encourage students to comment on each section, a section being one of the 8 or 9 parts of a, say, chapter.  The course presenter, TA or other student is free to read and comment upon each post.  Some of the debate got lively although always polite.
Each student brought different experiences, knowledge and perspective to the subject and I often found that to be the most informative and interesting part.  They were so many of them one couldn&#039;t read them all, but there is a feature whereby if someone responds to one of yours you are notified.
The mix of short readings, one longer read, videos and shorter essays by the instructor combined with brief questions and/or request for comments worked quite well for me.  There was even a quiz at the end of each week of the course and I found myself reviewing materials in order to get the highest score I could.  Even though no one knows what you scored or even if you took it.  I didn&#039;t do that very often even in college.
One has to pay for their certificates, and I think they are good for some CE credits over there.  It certainly is an opportunity for folks to expand their horizons in a relaxed, friendly manner.  I&#039;m hooked.  I have time, and have signed up for three courses which start soon.
&quot;Religion and Conflict&quot;, a subject upon which I have some very firm ideas which need to be challenged.
&quot;Forensic Science and Criminal Justice&quot;.  I may want to rob a bank and need to know the pitfalls.
&quot;Psychology and Mental Health&quot;.  Topics which have totally escaped me so far.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>They encourage students to comment on each section, a section being one of the 8 or 9 parts of a, say, chapter.  The course presenter, TA or other student is free to read and comment upon each post.  Some of the debate got lively although always polite.<br />
Each student brought different experiences, knowledge and perspective to the subject and I often found that to be the most informative and interesting part.  They were so many of them one couldn&#8217;t read them all, but there is a feature whereby if someone responds to one of yours you are notified.<br />
The mix of short readings, one longer read, videos and shorter essays by the instructor combined with brief questions and/or request for comments worked quite well for me.  There was even a quiz at the end of each week of the course and I found myself reviewing materials in order to get the highest score I could.  Even though no one knows what you scored or even if you took it.  I didn&#8217;t do that very often even in college.<br />
One has to pay for their certificates, and I think they are good for some CE credits over there.  It certainly is an opportunity for folks to expand their horizons in a relaxed, friendly manner.  I&#8217;m hooked.  I have time, and have signed up for three courses which start soon.<br />
&#8220;Religion and Conflict&#8221;, a subject upon which I have some very firm ideas which need to be challenged.<br />
&#8220;Forensic Science and Criminal Justice&#8221;.  I may want to rob a bank and need to know the pitfalls.<br />
&#8220;Psychology and Mental Health&#8221;.  Topics which have totally escaped me so far.</p>
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		<title>By: Robert</title>
		<link>https://habitablezone.com/2015/03/24/message-for-er/#comment-32378</link>
		<dc:creator>Robert</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 25 Mar 2015 06:04:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I took a look around, watched a couple of videos. The general concept is very close to the kind of things I&#039;m working on now, including an interface that you can use on everything from a home theater screen to a smartphone. I&#039;m thinking that if you have that kind of use-anywhere interface and you structure the course materials into small chunks, say 5 minutes apiece, you let people fit what we used to call &quot;continuing education&quot; into small openings in their daily lives. Like standing in line at Starbucks, or sitting on a bus or train commuting.

You won&#039;t be surprised to hear that I&#039;m particularly keen on the part where students interact with each other in a forum-like environment. I go further than the comments section of a blog, and add forums to courses and sometimes individual course modules. Seems to me that online learning can be horribly sterile and isolating, mostly passive consumption of words and media; but that people learn naturally in groups through social interaction, that learning is a social process (infant development research supports this).

I haven&#039;t been in a course yet, so I wanted to ask you, what was the interaction like? You mentioned interacting with the teacher as well as students...how much? Did they also use TAs as moderators and assistant teachers? How much lateral (between students) interaction was there?

I&#039;m big on the certificates, too. Mine have spiffy digital signatures you can verify on a secure web site--our students are professionals who are legally obligated to take some of these courses. Certs don&#039;t matter when you&#039;re just taking a course recreationally, but for more serious students, it looks like the model is evolving away from a big monolithic curriculum about a whole field, toward smaller certifications of individual skills and specialties. Within a few years people won&#039;t have degrees, they&#039;ll have these &quot;digital knapsacks&quot; full of certificates from all the courses they&#039;ve taken.

O brave new world...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I took a look around, watched a couple of videos. The general concept is very close to the kind of things I&#8217;m working on now, including an interface that you can use on everything from a home theater screen to a smartphone. I&#8217;m thinking that if you have that kind of use-anywhere interface and you structure the course materials into small chunks, say 5 minutes apiece, you let people fit what we used to call &#8220;continuing education&#8221; into small openings in their daily lives. Like standing in line at Starbucks, or sitting on a bus or train commuting.</p>
<p>You won&#8217;t be surprised to hear that I&#8217;m particularly keen on the part where students interact with each other in a forum-like environment. I go further than the comments section of a blog, and add forums to courses and sometimes individual course modules. Seems to me that online learning can be horribly sterile and isolating, mostly passive consumption of words and media; but that people learn naturally in groups through social interaction, that learning is a social process (infant development research supports this).</p>
<p>I haven&#8217;t been in a course yet, so I wanted to ask you, what was the interaction like? You mentioned interacting with the teacher as well as students&#8230;how much? Did they also use TAs as moderators and assistant teachers? How much lateral (between students) interaction was there?</p>
<p>I&#8217;m big on the certificates, too. Mine have spiffy digital signatures you can verify on a secure web site&#8211;our students are professionals who are legally obligated to take some of these courses. Certs don&#8217;t matter when you&#8217;re just taking a course recreationally, but for more serious students, it looks like the model is evolving away from a big monolithic curriculum about a whole field, toward smaller certifications of individual skills and specialties. Within a few years people won&#8217;t have degrees, they&#8217;ll have these &#8220;digital knapsacks&#8221; full of certificates from all the courses they&#8217;ve taken.</p>
<p>O brave new world&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: bowser</title>
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		<dc:creator>bowser</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 25 Mar 2015 01:38:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>https://www.futurelearn.com/courses/religion-and-conflict

There is a link at the top of this page to all the courses they have.  The one I took was well worth it.  Well, more than worth it, since the cost is zero.  And each course has an estimate of how long they think it will take.
Enjoy perusing.</description>
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<p>There is a link at the top of this page to all the courses they have.  The one I took was well worth it.  Well, more than worth it, since the cost is zero.  And each course has an estimate of how long they think it will take.<br />
Enjoy perusing.</p>
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		<title>By: Robert</title>
		<link>https://habitablezone.com/2015/03/24/message-for-er/#comment-32376</link>
		<dc:creator>Robert</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 25 Mar 2015 01:25:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hey bowser, you left out the URL to the course. I&#039;d like to check it out, both because it sounds intrinsically interesting, and because I build online courses that sound a lot like that, blogs, forums, videos, and all; and I&#039;d like to check it out professionally.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hey bowser, you left out the URL to the course. I&#8217;d like to check it out, both because it sounds intrinsically interesting, and because I build online courses that sound a lot like that, blogs, forums, videos, and all; and I&#8217;d like to check it out professionally.</p>
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