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		<title>By: Jody</title>
		<link>https://habitablezone.com/2015/09/08/legalized-abortion-and-crime-effect/#comment-32755</link>
		<dc:creator>Jody</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 10 Sep 2015 15:54:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I know Bowz. Humans are very good at hypocrisy. We all have a self righteous pulpit from where to perch and preach. It is our purpose. 

I get very discouraged at times. I am the one who wants to slap those uncaring parent&#039;s heads to a peak and knock the peak off. 
That is where my purpose is.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I know Bowz. Humans are very good at hypocrisy. We all have a self righteous pulpit from where to perch and preach. It is our purpose. </p>
<p>I get very discouraged at times. I am the one who wants to slap those uncaring parent&#8217;s heads to a peak and knock the peak off.<br />
That is where my purpose is.</p>
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		<title>By: bowser</title>
		<link>https://habitablezone.com/2015/09/08/legalized-abortion-and-crime-effect/#comment-32754</link>
		<dc:creator>bowser</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 10 Sep 2015 04:14:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>No doubt!
As one who has been a counselor to individuals who were not wanted by their parents, who were not provided with even the minimum necessities, by parents who were not able to provide emotional support, who did not love them, who did not respect them, children who had no chance in this world I have no patience for &quot;pro-life&quot; people.  They are unwittingly cruel.

Interestingly, their response to those unwanted children when they transgress societies rules, capital punishment, kill &#039;em, is not pro-life and is an easy, simple demonstration of their hypocrisy.  </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>No doubt!<br />
As one who has been a counselor to individuals who were not wanted by their parents, who were not provided with even the minimum necessities, by parents who were not able to provide emotional support, who did not love them, who did not respect them, children who had no chance in this world I have no patience for &#8220;pro-life&#8221; people.  They are unwittingly cruel.</p>
<p>Interestingly, their response to those unwanted children when they transgress societies rules, capital punishment, kill &#8216;em, is not pro-life and is an easy, simple demonstration of their hypocrisy.</p>
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		<title>By: Jody</title>
		<link>https://habitablezone.com/2015/09/08/legalized-abortion-and-crime-effect/#comment-32751</link>
		<dc:creator>Jody</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 10 Sep 2015 01:16:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I think that, if this indeed could the case, it is simply unforeseen consequences. Nothing more. Nothing less.

We have made our own bed with this one.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think that, if this indeed could the case, it is simply unforeseen consequences. Nothing more. Nothing less.</p>
<p>We have made our own bed with this one.</p>
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		<title>By: ER</title>
		<link>https://habitablezone.com/2015/09/08/legalized-abortion-and-crime-effect/#comment-32749</link>
		<dc:creator>ER</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 09 Sep 2015 21:23:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Sure, if children are only born into homes where they are wanted and cherished and where the parents are well able to take care of them, OF COURSE those kids that remain will be less likely to be involved in anti-social behavior.

But that&#039;s rigging the game, isn&#039;t it? Its like saying that its better that all people, young or old, be given no medical care of any kind so that the survivors will(by definition) be naturally stronger and be healthier. Natural selection, eh?

When I was growing up there used to be talk of providing and encouraging free legal abortions and contraception to black folks so they could wait until they were more able financially to raise kids. It was all couched in very benign terms of course, as a way of helping Negroes to advance themselves economically, and to save black youngsters from a deprived and substandard existence. The Black Panthers immediately picked up on this as a plot to make the race problem go away by culling blacks right out of existence.  And they were absolutely right. 

People who thought it was a sin for white folks to have abortions or use contraception so they could further their careers or to enjoy a promiscuous lifestyle didn&#039;t seem to have any problem accepting it if the result was less black people in the population. 

In the nineteenth century, the Spanish Crown encouraged (and even forced) emigration of whites to Cuba from the mother country because they felt that the Negro population was getting proportionally too big.  They called it &lt;em&gt;avanzando la raza&lt;/em&gt;, &quot;advancing the race&quot;.  You see, the French had just had a little slave revolt in Haiti--and they lost. Its the same mentality at work.

For any of these eugenics schemes to work, the killing must be ordered by some higher authority, under criteria dictated by that authority, in order to ensure some social result the authority desires. The rights of the parents are ignored.  But what about the rights of the foetus?  That&#039;s easy, the foetus has no rights.

Personally, I believe an embryo is not a person.  It is a pile of cells with no rights or humanity or consciousness.  But the parents have rights and humanity and consciousness and no one has the right to force them to terminate a pregnancy--any more than anyone has a right to force them to carry the child to term.  

I don&#039;t have any religious beliefs. I don&#039;t believe there is any such thing as a soul.  No one has the right to force their religion on me.  If someone does not believe in abortion, for whatever reason, fine;  they don&#039;t have to get one.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Sure, if children are only born into homes where they are wanted and cherished and where the parents are well able to take care of them, OF COURSE those kids that remain will be less likely to be involved in anti-social behavior.</p>
<p>But that&#8217;s rigging the game, isn&#8217;t it? Its like saying that its better that all people, young or old, be given no medical care of any kind so that the survivors will(by definition) be naturally stronger and be healthier. Natural selection, eh?</p>
<p>When I was growing up there used to be talk of providing and encouraging free legal abortions and contraception to black folks so they could wait until they were more able financially to raise kids. It was all couched in very benign terms of course, as a way of helping Negroes to advance themselves economically, and to save black youngsters from a deprived and substandard existence. The Black Panthers immediately picked up on this as a plot to make the race problem go away by culling blacks right out of existence.  And they were absolutely right. </p>
<p>People who thought it was a sin for white folks to have abortions or use contraception so they could further their careers or to enjoy a promiscuous lifestyle didn&#8217;t seem to have any problem accepting it if the result was less black people in the population. </p>
<p>In the nineteenth century, the Spanish Crown encouraged (and even forced) emigration of whites to Cuba from the mother country because they felt that the Negro population was getting proportionally too big.  They called it <em>avanzando la raza</em>, &#8220;advancing the race&#8221;.  You see, the French had just had a little slave revolt in Haiti&#8211;and they lost. Its the same mentality at work.</p>
<p>For any of these eugenics schemes to work, the killing must be ordered by some higher authority, under criteria dictated by that authority, in order to ensure some social result the authority desires. The rights of the parents are ignored.  But what about the rights of the foetus?  That&#8217;s easy, the foetus has no rights.</p>
<p>Personally, I believe an embryo is not a person.  It is a pile of cells with no rights or humanity or consciousness.  But the parents have rights and humanity and consciousness and no one has the right to force them to terminate a pregnancy&#8211;any more than anyone has a right to force them to carry the child to term.  </p>
<p>I don&#8217;t have any religious beliefs. I don&#8217;t believe there is any such thing as a soul.  No one has the right to force their religion on me.  If someone does not believe in abortion, for whatever reason, fine;  they don&#8217;t have to get one.</p>
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		<title>By: Jody</title>
		<link>https://habitablezone.com/2015/09/08/legalized-abortion-and-crime-effect/#comment-32746</link>
		<dc:creator>Jody</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 09 Sep 2015 18:41:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I don&#039;t know what to make of this.  WTF does this say about us? (I am for legalized abortion also.)

I don&#039;t know ER....this has me shaking my head.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I don&#8217;t know what to make of this.  WTF does this say about us? (I am for legalized abortion also.)</p>
<p>I don&#8217;t know ER&#8230;.this has me shaking my head.</p>
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		<title>By: ER</title>
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		<dc:creator>ER</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 09 Sep 2015 03:23:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The decision to terminate a pregnancy should be a personal one, not one carried out for social purposes.  Just look at what&#039;s happened in China.

Unrestricted procreation has always been frowned on by all societies throughout history, and for good reason.  In the past, it was done by cultural pressure and regulation. That is, after all, what marriage is really about: to try to ensure that children are only born into some form of relatively stable and guaranteed family structure.  In the absence of the family as an institution, we now opt for more technical methods, such as abstinence, contraception and abortion.  But they are still voluntary.  Using abortion, or even contraception, to ensure a social goal would demand a form of true coercion.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The decision to terminate a pregnancy should be a personal one, not one carried out for social purposes.  Just look at what&#8217;s happened in China.</p>
<p>Unrestricted procreation has always been frowned on by all societies throughout history, and for good reason.  In the past, it was done by cultural pressure and regulation. That is, after all, what marriage is really about: to try to ensure that children are only born into some form of relatively stable and guaranteed family structure.  In the absence of the family as an institution, we now opt for more technical methods, such as abstinence, contraception and abortion.  But they are still voluntary.  Using abortion, or even contraception, to ensure a social goal would demand a form of true coercion.</p>
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