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		<title>By: bowser</title>
		<link>https://habitablezone.com/2015/10/26/odds-of-intelligent-life-in-this-universe/#comment-33295</link>
		<dc:creator>bowser</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 31 Oct 2015 06:18:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thanks for an SDAI post I can almost understand.  Let me check.  You are referring to &quot;order&quot;, following the laws of physics as fn example, as &quot;intelligence&quot;.  Two hydrogen atoms positioning themselves at a 105 degree angle on an oxygen atom would be an example of intelligence.

I believe I can understand how one could stretch the idea of &quot;intelligence&quot; that far.  Makes some sense.

As for me, when I refer to &quot;intelligence&quot; I&#039;m including a prerequisite what you can &quot;sentience&quot;, and emotional component.  Since emotions boild down to &quot;am I safe or not&quot; I would think for my definition that intelligence would require a sense of self and an ability to sense ones surroundings.

Where my version breaks down is where I agree an ant is smarter than hell, and that an ant is a collection of atoms which have followed DNA marching orders and turned into an ant.  Or that my DNA, carefully nurtured and groomed, as turned into me (obviously an intelligent organism).

You&#039;ve given me something to ponder - thanks a lot.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks for an SDAI post I can almost understand.  Let me check.  You are referring to &#8220;order&#8221;, following the laws of physics as fn example, as &#8220;intelligence&#8221;.  Two hydrogen atoms positioning themselves at a 105 degree angle on an oxygen atom would be an example of intelligence.</p>
<p>I believe I can understand how one could stretch the idea of &#8220;intelligence&#8221; that far.  Makes some sense.</p>
<p>As for me, when I refer to &#8220;intelligence&#8221; I&#8217;m including a prerequisite what you can &#8220;sentience&#8221;, and emotional component.  Since emotions boild down to &#8220;am I safe or not&#8221; I would think for my definition that intelligence would require a sense of self and an ability to sense ones surroundings.</p>
<p>Where my version breaks down is where I agree an ant is smarter than hell, and that an ant is a collection of atoms which have followed DNA marching orders and turned into an ant.  Or that my DNA, carefully nurtured and groomed, as turned into me (obviously an intelligent organism).</p>
<p>You&#8217;ve given me something to ponder &#8211; thanks a lot.</p>
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		<title>By: SDAI-Tech</title>
		<link>https://habitablezone.com/2015/10/26/odds-of-intelligent-life-in-this-universe/#comment-33251</link>
		<dc:creator>SDAI-Tech</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 29 Oct 2015 10:54:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>A thought? 
What&#039;s a thought? 
A combination of other things to create an idea.

What&#039;s a molecule?
A combination of other things bonded together to form something new.

The same forces that let us think, form molecules and bond them together. An atom or a galaxy - or even a thought and a working mind are just developments of energy being drawn together in unique ways.  

An ant has vast intelligence in its way. So does a drop of water or a human being. The fabric of space itself is just an energy construct held in place between other forces. 

Intelligence is the systematic building up of energy into more complex structures.  Sentience isn&#039;t so clear cut. We see it with &#039;dumb&#039; animals. Some seem like robots and others already show signs of human like reactions that are more complex.

And what is this complexity? It&#039;s a field of energy with a certain data set impinged within it. 

That&#039;s what the next big discovery is. We know 100,000 cell phone signals can be bouncing around us, yet only one has the impinged signal to trigger our phone. Same is true with how our minds collect data. We look around and pass over some things while others we observe.

Why do we observe some things and not others? Because our consciousness is a field that has embedded signals and those &quot;catch&quot; on things just like the cell phone signal does for the right phone.  It seems &quot;random&quot; to us, but it&#039;s not random at all.  Its&#039; &quot;scooping&quot; up more data and embedding it in with other like signals.

So, intelligence is everywhere. I guess the faithful could call it God and scientists would call it a fundamental nature of how energy interacts.

That&#039;s intelligence. The lowest, simplest form of energy possesses it as does the most complex. 

Walt Disney, were he still with us, would depict it in cartoon form as a little mesh net that keeps scooping up more and more things which makes it more complex and able to do more stuff.

Humans are complex mesh nets.  But we&#039;re always just beginning - even though we think we&#039;re the top of the galactic food chain.. 

Getting back to relativity, we see that there will always be something smaller or larger than us - by infinite magnitudes.

There is no right answer or one way of viewing it. Each of us have different tools to work with and are forced to see things in totally unique ways.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>A thought?<br />
What&#8217;s a thought?<br />
A combination of other things to create an idea.</p>
<p>What&#8217;s a molecule?<br />
A combination of other things bonded together to form something new.</p>
<p>The same forces that let us think, form molecules and bond them together. An atom or a galaxy &#8211; or even a thought and a working mind are just developments of energy being drawn together in unique ways.  </p>
<p>An ant has vast intelligence in its way. So does a drop of water or a human being. The fabric of space itself is just an energy construct held in place between other forces. </p>
<p>Intelligence is the systematic building up of energy into more complex structures.  Sentience isn&#8217;t so clear cut. We see it with &#8216;dumb&#8217; animals. Some seem like robots and others already show signs of human like reactions that are more complex.</p>
<p>And what is this complexity? It&#8217;s a field of energy with a certain data set impinged within it. </p>
<p>That&#8217;s what the next big discovery is. We know 100,000 cell phone signals can be bouncing around us, yet only one has the impinged signal to trigger our phone. Same is true with how our minds collect data. We look around and pass over some things while others we observe.</p>
<p>Why do we observe some things and not others? Because our consciousness is a field that has embedded signals and those &#8220;catch&#8221; on things just like the cell phone signal does for the right phone.  It seems &#8220;random&#8221; to us, but it&#8217;s not random at all.  Its&#8217; &#8220;scooping&#8221; up more data and embedding it in with other like signals.</p>
<p>So, intelligence is everywhere. I guess the faithful could call it God and scientists would call it a fundamental nature of how energy interacts.</p>
<p>That&#8217;s intelligence. The lowest, simplest form of energy possesses it as does the most complex. </p>
<p>Walt Disney, were he still with us, would depict it in cartoon form as a little mesh net that keeps scooping up more and more things which makes it more complex and able to do more stuff.</p>
<p>Humans are complex mesh nets.  But we&#8217;re always just beginning &#8211; even though we think we&#8217;re the top of the galactic food chain.. </p>
<p>Getting back to relativity, we see that there will always be something smaller or larger than us &#8211; by infinite magnitudes.</p>
<p>There is no right answer or one way of viewing it. Each of us have different tools to work with and are forced to see things in totally unique ways.</p>
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		<title>By: mcfly</title>
		<link>https://habitablezone.com/2015/10/26/odds-of-intelligent-life-in-this-universe/#comment-33248</link>
		<dc:creator>mcfly</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 29 Oct 2015 05:49:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I won&#039;t be around to see it either. If humanity can avoid either destroying itself or being destroyed by an uncaring universe, there are amazing discoveries to be made. Perhaps our AI&#039;s will be kind enough to let us pretend we still have a part to play!  ;-)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I won&#8217;t be around to see it either. If humanity can avoid either destroying itself or being destroyed by an uncaring universe, there are amazing discoveries to be made. Perhaps our AI&#8217;s will be kind enough to let us pretend we still have a part to play!  <img src='https://habitablezone.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_wink.gif' alt=';-)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>By: bowser</title>
		<link>https://habitablezone.com/2015/10/26/odds-of-intelligent-life-in-this-universe/#comment-33244</link>
		<dc:creator>bowser</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 29 Oct 2015 02:11:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;ve read descriptions which seem very close to what you are saying.  I have to say that I don&#039;t understand the constructs very well, and even so have some thoughts on them.
People have always pushed the idea far past where it can go.  Quantum Mechanics demonstrates how an electron can leap from one place to another, and people are talking about Star Trek kinds of experiences for entire living organisms.  Ridiculous.
Mankind seems go get along well with older concepts.  In fact, we still operate with the Flat Earth idea - just check your road maps.  Seems to work just fine for most of our existence.

As I said, I can&#039;t decipher your concept of the Universe and intelligence. You seem to say that intelligence is a shared quality which is distributed across the Universe, and idea for which there doesn&#039;t seem to be any empircal evidence.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;ve read descriptions which seem very close to what you are saying.  I have to say that I don&#8217;t understand the constructs very well, and even so have some thoughts on them.<br />
People have always pushed the idea far past where it can go.  Quantum Mechanics demonstrates how an electron can leap from one place to another, and people are talking about Star Trek kinds of experiences for entire living organisms.  Ridiculous.<br />
Mankind seems go get along well with older concepts.  In fact, we still operate with the Flat Earth idea &#8211; just check your road maps.  Seems to work just fine for most of our existence.</p>
<p>As I said, I can&#8217;t decipher your concept of the Universe and intelligence. You seem to say that intelligence is a shared quality which is distributed across the Universe, and idea for which there doesn&#8217;t seem to be any empircal evidence.</p>
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		<title>By: bowser</title>
		<link>https://habitablezone.com/2015/10/26/odds-of-intelligent-life-in-this-universe/#comment-33243</link>
		<dc:creator>bowser</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 29 Oct 2015 02:00:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It was around a hundred years ago mankind didn&#039;t think anything existed outside the solar system.  A lot has been discovered since then.  The next hundred years will undoubtedly answer a lot more.

I won&#039;t be here, but I don&#039;t think that I&#039;ll miss the experience.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It was around a hundred years ago mankind didn&#8217;t think anything existed outside the solar system.  A lot has been discovered since then.  The next hundred years will undoubtedly answer a lot more.</p>
<p>I won&#8217;t be here, but I don&#8217;t think that I&#8217;ll miss the experience.</p>
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		<title>By: SDAI-Tech</title>
		<link>https://habitablezone.com/2015/10/26/odds-of-intelligent-life-in-this-universe/#comment-33224</link>
		<dc:creator>SDAI-Tech</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 28 Oct 2015 11:42:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>There is no space, no time - only relativity and a frame of reference based on a finite perspective in infinite energy.

The &#039;fabric&#039; of the universe is simultaneously everywhere. Everything, everywhere is no larger than a trillionth of a nanometer or a trillion squared light years - or whatever your perspective will permit. Consciousness develops new ways of interfacing with the energy and the frame of references infinitely morph.

Is intelligent life here and now?

Yes. At least what passes for intelligence. Even that is infinitely relative. 

Then it is everywhere and timeless. 

One can imagine relativity of intelligence like a rubber band stretching into every corner of existence. No part is untouched.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>There is no space, no time &#8211; only relativity and a frame of reference based on a finite perspective in infinite energy.</p>
<p>The &#8216;fabric&#8217; of the universe is simultaneously everywhere. Everything, everywhere is no larger than a trillionth of a nanometer or a trillion squared light years &#8211; or whatever your perspective will permit. Consciousness develops new ways of interfacing with the energy and the frame of references infinitely morph.</p>
<p>Is intelligent life here and now?</p>
<p>Yes. At least what passes for intelligence. Even that is infinitely relative. </p>
<p>Then it is everywhere and timeless. </p>
<p>One can imagine relativity of intelligence like a rubber band stretching into every corner of existence. No part is untouched.</p>
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		<title>By: mcfly</title>
		<link>https://habitablezone.com/2015/10/26/odds-of-intelligent-life-in-this-universe/#comment-33220</link>
		<dc:creator>mcfly</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 27 Oct 2015 22:05:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Just looking at the numbers, it seems impossible that earth could be the only home for life in the entire universe. But of course the probability starts to become more complex when we can&#039;t assume that all outcomes are equally likely. I don&#039;t know enough about either astrophysics or biology to even begin working that out. Does anyone?

Also, do we know yet even what questions we should be asking? Should it be &quot;How is it possible, in all the vast universe, that earth could be the only place where life developed?&quot;

Or maybe the question is, &quot;How is it that, against fantastic odds, life managed to develop on earth?&quot;

The only honest answer I can offer is a rather unhelpful &quot;I dunno.&quot;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Just looking at the numbers, it seems impossible that earth could be the only home for life in the entire universe. But of course the probability starts to become more complex when we can&#8217;t assume that all outcomes are equally likely. I don&#8217;t know enough about either astrophysics or biology to even begin working that out. Does anyone?</p>
<p>Also, do we know yet even what questions we should be asking? Should it be &#8220;How is it possible, in all the vast universe, that earth could be the only place where life developed?&#8221;</p>
<p>Or maybe the question is, &#8220;How is it that, against fantastic odds, life managed to develop on earth?&#8221;</p>
<p>The only honest answer I can offer is a rather unhelpful &#8220;I dunno.&#8221;</p>
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