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		<title>By: TB</title>
		<link>https://habitablezone.com/2015/11/26/rudy-giuliani-says-trump-is-a/#comment-34133</link>
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		<pubDate>Sun, 29 Nov 2015 03:04:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Don&#039;t know. I&#039;ll have to try sometime.</description>
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		<title>By: ER</title>
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		<pubDate>Sat, 28 Nov 2015 22:32:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Can you say that?</description>
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		<title>By: TB</title>
		<link>https://habitablezone.com/2015/11/26/rudy-giuliani-says-trump-is-a/#comment-34126</link>
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		<pubDate>Sat, 28 Nov 2015 22:17:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;We&#039;ve had this conversation.&lt;/p&gt;

Look up my comment &lt;a href=&quot;https://www.habitablezone.com/2015/09/27/the-theory-of-political-relativity/&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;&quot;Quis custodiet ipsos custodes?&quot;&lt;/a&gt;

You answered it then by making a long irrelevant speech about how you don&#039;t want to talk about &quot;economics or politics&quot;(!) and then jumping out a window.

I&#039;ve got centuries of history backing my view of the dangers of too much political power, and you&#039;ve got a TV commentator.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>We&#8217;ve had this conversation.</p>
<p>Look up my comment <a href="https://www.habitablezone.com/2015/09/27/the-theory-of-political-relativity/" rel="nofollow">&#8220;Quis custodiet ipsos custodes?&#8221;</a></p>
<p>You answered it then by making a long irrelevant speech about how you don&#8217;t want to talk about &#8220;economics or politics&#8221;(!) and then jumping out a window.</p>
<p>I&#8217;ve got centuries of history backing my view of the dangers of too much political power, and you&#8217;ve got a TV commentator.</p>
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		<title>By: ER</title>
		<link>https://habitablezone.com/2015/11/26/rudy-giuliani-says-trump-is-a/#comment-34121</link>
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		<pubDate>Sat, 28 Nov 2015 20:54:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>you might take a good long look at the quality of those who agree with you and ask yourself why you&#039;re having so much trouble convincing those who don&#039;t. 

Remember, the purpose of government is to protect us from bullies.  That doesn&#039;t mean it always does, or even that it does it effectively.  It just means that&#039;s why we need one. Some governments are better than others, and maybe no government is perfect, but there will always be bullies, you can count on that. You don&#039;t need a government to have bullies, they go into business, too.

http://leftcall.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/09/chris-hayes-powerful-take-from-weak.jpg

&lt;img src=&quot;http://leftcall.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/09/chris-hayes-powerful-take-from-weak.jpg&quot; width=&quot;300&quot; alt=&quot;null&quot; /&gt;

It really is that simple.  That&#039;s why George Orwell was a Socialist.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>you might take a good long look at the quality of those who agree with you and ask yourself why you&#8217;re having so much trouble convincing those who don&#8217;t. </p>
<p>Remember, the purpose of government is to protect us from bullies.  That doesn&#8217;t mean it always does, or even that it does it effectively.  It just means that&#8217;s why we need one. Some governments are better than others, and maybe no government is perfect, but there will always be bullies, you can count on that. You don&#8217;t need a government to have bullies, they go into business, too.</p>
<p><a href="http://leftcall.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/09/chris-hayes-powerful-take-from-weak.jpg" rel="nofollow">http://leftcall.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/09/chris-hayes-powerful-take-from-weak.jpg</a></p>
<p><img src="http://leftcall.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/09/chris-hayes-powerful-take-from-weak.jpg" width="300" alt="null" /></p>
<p>It really is that simple.  That&#8217;s why George Orwell was a Socialist.</p>
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		<title>By: TB</title>
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		<dc:creator>TB</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 28 Nov 2015 20:38:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;The key word in your question might be &quot;data.&quot;&lt;/p&gt;

Some people think a &quot;fascist&quot; is a noisy person with bad manners who thinks we need to tighten up our borders.

I think, and I believe history backs me up, that fascism is about the unhealthy accumulation of power. You can put any other &quot;-ism&quot; name you want on it, or simply try to obliterate any political terminology that can be used to point to this. The concept remains.

&lt;blockquote&gt;&quot;Now I will tell you the answer to my question. It is this. The Party seeks power entirely for its own sake. We are not interested in the good of others; we are interested solely in power, pure power. What pure power means you will understand presently. We are different from the oligarchies of the past in that we know what we are doing. All the others, even those who resembled ourselves, were cowards and hypocrites. The German Nazis and the Russian Communists came very close to us in their methods, but they never had the courage to recognize their own motives. They pretended, perhaps they even believed, that they had seized power unwillingly and for a limited time, and that just around the corner there lay a paradise where human beings would be free and equal. We are not like that. We know what no one ever seizes power with the intention of relinquishing it. Power is not a means; it is an end. One does not establish a dictatorship in order to safeguard a revolution; one makes the revolution in order to establish the dictatorship. The object of persecution is persecution. The object of torture is torture. The object of power is power. Now you begin to understand me.&quot;

- George Orwell, 1984&lt;/blockquote&gt;

Sidebar1: The election in Argentina is over. The election in Venezuela is Dec. 6. The first member of the political opposition has been killed. It should be remembered how their leaders got to where they are now, what their original rhetoric, political ideas, and promises were, and who supported them. This is also &quot;data.&quot;

Sidebar2: It turns out that the myth of the trains running on time in Fascist Italy isn&#039;t true either.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The key word in your question might be &#8220;data.&#8221;</p>
<p>Some people think a &#8220;fascist&#8221; is a noisy person with bad manners who thinks we need to tighten up our borders.</p>
<p>I think, and I believe history backs me up, that fascism is about the unhealthy accumulation of power. You can put any other &#8220;-ism&#8221; name you want on it, or simply try to obliterate any political terminology that can be used to point to this. The concept remains.</p>
<blockquote><p>&#8220;Now I will tell you the answer to my question. It is this. The Party seeks power entirely for its own sake. We are not interested in the good of others; we are interested solely in power, pure power. What pure power means you will understand presently. We are different from the oligarchies of the past in that we know what we are doing. All the others, even those who resembled ourselves, were cowards and hypocrites. The German Nazis and the Russian Communists came very close to us in their methods, but they never had the courage to recognize their own motives. They pretended, perhaps they even believed, that they had seized power unwillingly and for a limited time, and that just around the corner there lay a paradise where human beings would be free and equal. We are not like that. We know what no one ever seizes power with the intention of relinquishing it. Power is not a means; it is an end. One does not establish a dictatorship in order to safeguard a revolution; one makes the revolution in order to establish the dictatorship. The object of persecution is persecution. The object of torture is torture. The object of power is power. Now you begin to understand me.&#8221;</p>
<p>- George Orwell, 1984</p></blockquote>
<p>Sidebar1: The election in Argentina is over. The election in Venezuela is Dec. 6. The first member of the political opposition has been killed. It should be remembered how their leaders got to where they are now, what their original rhetoric, political ideas, and promises were, and who supported them. This is also &#8220;data.&#8221;</p>
<p>Sidebar2: It turns out that the myth of the trains running on time in Fascist Italy isn&#8217;t true either.</p>
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		<title>By: ER</title>
		<link>https://habitablezone.com/2015/11/26/rudy-giuliani-says-trump-is-a/#comment-34118</link>
		<dc:creator>ER</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 28 Nov 2015 14:08:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>how two intelligent, experienced, educated, thoughtful, well-informed people can look at the same data and arrive at very different conclusions?

You do realize, that leaves only two alternatives.  One of them is mistaken, or both are mistaken.

Then again, there may be a third possibility.  They are both correct, but they are using different language to describe the same phenomenon.

There is no &lt;em&gt;a priori&lt;/em&gt; way to decide among these alternatives.  But realizing that they exist at all is the beginning of wisdom.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>how two intelligent, experienced, educated, thoughtful, well-informed people can look at the same data and arrive at very different conclusions?</p>
<p>You do realize, that leaves only two alternatives.  One of them is mistaken, or both are mistaken.</p>
<p>Then again, there may be a third possibility.  They are both correct, but they are using different language to describe the same phenomenon.</p>
<p>There is no <em>a priori</em> way to decide among these alternatives.  But realizing that they exist at all is the beginning of wisdom.</p>
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		<title>By: TB</title>
		<link>https://habitablezone.com/2015/11/26/rudy-giuliani-says-trump-is-a/#comment-34112</link>
		<dc:creator>TB</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 28 Nov 2015 06:44:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;I know exactly how we got to where we are.&lt;/p&gt;

The endgame of the mixed economy is always going to be a &quot;merged&quot; economy--not being able to tell the men and pigs apart anymore.

Even communist countries have fat cats. They&#039;re just loyal Party members, lobbying from the inside out instead of the outside in.

I understand your particular views on corporations and government, at least to the point where you&#039;d think Bernie Sanders is a good idea, but nobody&#039;s going to fix anything by giving the government even more power and wealth than it already has, or pretending that powerful political leaders and parties are always going to be more benign than powerful business interests. &quot;Accountability&quot; is a feature of a decentralized, less-powerful, bottom-up government with checks and balances, not the monolith we&#039;re developing into.

Where the hell is the Antitrust Act for political entities?

Hillary or Sanders will just make it worse, and I doubt any of the Republicans would make it better.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I know exactly how we got to where we are.</p>
<p>The endgame of the mixed economy is always going to be a &#8220;merged&#8221; economy&#8211;not being able to tell the men and pigs apart anymore.</p>
<p>Even communist countries have fat cats. They&#8217;re just loyal Party members, lobbying from the inside out instead of the outside in.</p>
<p>I understand your particular views on corporations and government, at least to the point where you&#8217;d think Bernie Sanders is a good idea, but nobody&#8217;s going to fix anything by giving the government even more power and wealth than it already has, or pretending that powerful political leaders and parties are always going to be more benign than powerful business interests. &#8220;Accountability&#8221; is a feature of a decentralized, less-powerful, bottom-up government with checks and balances, not the monolith we&#8217;re developing into.</p>
<p>Where the hell is the Antitrust Act for political entities?</p>
<p>Hillary or Sanders will just make it worse, and I doubt any of the Republicans would make it better.</p>
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		<title>By: ER</title>
		<link>https://habitablezone.com/2015/11/26/rudy-giuliani-says-trump-is-a/#comment-34108</link>
		<dc:creator>ER</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 28 Nov 2015 04:43:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I really don&#039;t disagree with the man.  But where I probably disagree with you is that the loosely organized (and highly fractious) elitist cabal that rules this nation is not a gang of socialist intellectuals, its a very capitalist oligarchy and management plutocracy, along with the lawyers and politicians they have bought to administer the State for their benefit.  Its not a conspiracy at all, these guys and the collectives they belong to and own are all at war with one another.  We&#039;re just in the way.

Which, incidentally, is precisely the situation that existed in Germany in the 1920s.  The Weimar Republic may have been corrupt and incompetent, but it didn&#039;t create the Nazis. The Nazis were not created by the German industrialists and financiers, either. But they were nurtured and bankrolled by them in order to consolidate their own power and to oppose the Communists.  Fortunately, we don&#039;t have Communists, although I suspect we disagree about that too.

Of course there is no one-to-one correspondence with contemporary USA and the Germany of almost a century ago.  The world is a very different place and our two peoples are very different, and our histories are very different.  But the parallels are striking and very compelling.  

Read Shirer. It really is spooky.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I really don&#8217;t disagree with the man.  But where I probably disagree with you is that the loosely organized (and highly fractious) elitist cabal that rules this nation is not a gang of socialist intellectuals, its a very capitalist oligarchy and management plutocracy, along with the lawyers and politicians they have bought to administer the State for their benefit.  Its not a conspiracy at all, these guys and the collectives they belong to and own are all at war with one another.  We&#8217;re just in the way.</p>
<p>Which, incidentally, is precisely the situation that existed in Germany in the 1920s.  The Weimar Republic may have been corrupt and incompetent, but it didn&#8217;t create the Nazis. The Nazis were not created by the German industrialists and financiers, either. But they were nurtured and bankrolled by them in order to consolidate their own power and to oppose the Communists.  Fortunately, we don&#8217;t have Communists, although I suspect we disagree about that too.</p>
<p>Of course there is no one-to-one correspondence with contemporary USA and the Germany of almost a century ago.  The world is a very different place and our two peoples are very different, and our histories are very different.  But the parallels are striking and very compelling.  </p>
<p>Read Shirer. It really is spooky.</p>
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		<title>By: TB</title>
		<link>https://habitablezone.com/2015/11/26/rudy-giuliani-says-trump-is-a/#comment-34104</link>
		<dc:creator>TB</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 28 Nov 2015 03:12:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Another view:&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;a href=&quot;http://www.usatoday.com/story/opinion/2015/08/09/trump-american-ruling-class-tyranny-column/31371813/&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;USA Today column by Glenn Reynolds.&lt;/a&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Another view:</p>
<p><a href="http://www.usatoday.com/story/opinion/2015/08/09/trump-american-ruling-class-tyranny-column/31371813/" rel="nofollow">USA Today column by Glenn Reynolds.</a></p>
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		<title>By: ER</title>
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		<dc:creator>ER</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 27 Nov 2015 14:11:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>If he magically disappeared tomorrow, Carson and Cruz are ready to pick up his banner.  Between the three, they represent about half of the Republican Party, which is roughly one half of the American electorate. One in four. The rest of the GOP field is ready to morph into any shape necessary to fill the vacuum should all three leading candidates falter.  We can already see how their rhetoric and methods have become increasingly strident, irrational and unscrupulous.

These one-in-four of the electorate are the people who woke up one morning to find that in spite of all the promises made to them, and in spite of their willingness to work hard and play by the rules, the American Dream has passed them, and their children, by.  A combination of military reverses, economic erosion, cultural change, demographic shift and historical evolution has led to ignorance, fear, anger, envy and hate. They are pissed, and they will follow anyone who offers them a way out, a scapegoat, a reason why its not really their fault, why its not the fault of the people whose quality they strove to emulate or the system they swore fealty to.  Neither are they ready to accept that perhaps no one may be fundamentally responsible for their interrupted destiny.  That sometimes that&#039;s just the way things work out. 

People would rather blame treachery and betrayal for their misfortunes than history, or just bad luck. They need someone to blame and someone to hate, and they need someone they think can make it all just like it was before.  Or how they have convinced themselves it was before.

This is nothing new, it has happened before, in not exactly the same way of course, every age is different and conditions are never the same, but similarly enough that the parallels are obvious and unmistakable. Review my post &quot;Weimar Amerika&quot; below, in response to your &quot;garden variety fascist&quot; thread.  It doesn&#039;t have to happen here, but there&#039;s nothing to stop it either. And right now, it looks like its right on schedule.

Trump is the least of our problems.  He&#039;s is not the disease, he&#039;s just a symptom, and if he isn&#039;t there, there will be plenty others ready to take his place.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>If he magically disappeared tomorrow, Carson and Cruz are ready to pick up his banner.  Between the three, they represent about half of the Republican Party, which is roughly one half of the American electorate. One in four. The rest of the GOP field is ready to morph into any shape necessary to fill the vacuum should all three leading candidates falter.  We can already see how their rhetoric and methods have become increasingly strident, irrational and unscrupulous.</p>
<p>These one-in-four of the electorate are the people who woke up one morning to find that in spite of all the promises made to them, and in spite of their willingness to work hard and play by the rules, the American Dream has passed them, and their children, by.  A combination of military reverses, economic erosion, cultural change, demographic shift and historical evolution has led to ignorance, fear, anger, envy and hate. They are pissed, and they will follow anyone who offers them a way out, a scapegoat, a reason why its not really their fault, why its not the fault of the people whose quality they strove to emulate or the system they swore fealty to.  Neither are they ready to accept that perhaps no one may be fundamentally responsible for their interrupted destiny.  That sometimes that&#8217;s just the way things work out. </p>
<p>People would rather blame treachery and betrayal for their misfortunes than history, or just bad luck. They need someone to blame and someone to hate, and they need someone they think can make it all just like it was before.  Or how they have convinced themselves it was before.</p>
<p>This is nothing new, it has happened before, in not exactly the same way of course, every age is different and conditions are never the same, but similarly enough that the parallels are obvious and unmistakable. Review my post &#8220;Weimar Amerika&#8221; below, in response to your &#8220;garden variety fascist&#8221; thread.  It doesn&#8217;t have to happen here, but there&#8217;s nothing to stop it either. And right now, it looks like its right on schedule.</p>
<p>Trump is the least of our problems.  He&#8217;s is not the disease, he&#8217;s just a symptom, and if he isn&#8217;t there, there will be plenty others ready to take his place.</p>
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