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		<title>By: bowser</title>
		<link>https://habitablezone.com/2016/01/15/to-sdg/#comment-35279</link>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 20 Jan 2016 03:42:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>As with most if not all religions, including the Roman Catholicism I was raised in, including the followers of Benny Hinn and all the evangelicals, the individual members can be the most wonderful, honest, upright people in the world.  The institutions can have some superb practices.

And the parent organization is rotten to the core.

Jehovah&#039;s Witnesses, Amish and Mormons have a particularly heinous practice, though.  That is shunning of people, including mothers, fathers, brothers and sisters who leave the faith.  Devastating.  Although Jehovah&#039;s Witnesses and Amish are honest about it, the Mormons practice it but deny it&#039;s advocated by the church.

Please make no mistake - Mormons as individuals tend to be honest, upright and moral at a level the rest of us can only admire.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>As with most if not all religions, including the Roman Catholicism I was raised in, including the followers of Benny Hinn and all the evangelicals, the individual members can be the most wonderful, honest, upright people in the world.  The institutions can have some superb practices.</p>
<p>And the parent organization is rotten to the core.</p>
<p>Jehovah&#8217;s Witnesses, Amish and Mormons have a particularly heinous practice, though.  That is shunning of people, including mothers, fathers, brothers and sisters who leave the faith.  Devastating.  Although Jehovah&#8217;s Witnesses and Amish are honest about it, the Mormons practice it but deny it&#8217;s advocated by the church.</p>
<p>Please make no mistake &#8211; Mormons as individuals tend to be honest, upright and moral at a level the rest of us can only admire.</p>
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		<title>By: Jody</title>
		<link>https://habitablezone.com/2016/01/15/to-sdg/#comment-35248</link>
		<dc:creator>Jody</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 18 Jan 2016 21:15:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>That is my concern. 

The librarian I help at my granddaughter&#039;s school is Mormon. I only found that out when I put 2 and 2 together. Being an empath, I immediately knew this vibrant lady was in a different place than usual. I asked her what was wrong, and she had just put her son on a plane with destination to the Ukraine. Jeff is only 18 so I knew.

Her other son is in 6th grade,  and now we feel comfortable to compare notes with raising children. I feel I am in a very fortunate place right now.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>That is my concern. </p>
<p>The librarian I help at my granddaughter&#8217;s school is Mormon. I only found that out when I put 2 and 2 together. Being an empath, I immediately knew this vibrant lady was in a different place than usual. I asked her what was wrong, and she had just put her son on a plane with destination to the Ukraine. Jeff is only 18 so I knew.</p>
<p>Her other son is in 6th grade,  and now we feel comfortable to compare notes with raising children. I feel I am in a very fortunate place right now.</p>
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		<title>By: SDG</title>
		<link>https://habitablezone.com/2016/01/15/to-sdg/#comment-35247</link>
		<dc:creator>SDG</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 18 Jan 2016 20:58:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I doubt you would have botched it, you seem to have a pretty good grounding in the basics.  I&#039;m glad you mentioned the dietary constraints.  I thought about it, but felt it was getting too long already.

Here&#039;s a funny story.  Mormons are more strict with regards to diet depending on the household and sometimes parts of the country.  I grew up in southern Idaho in a family that felt even caffeinated softdrinks were verboten (its not by the way).  My dad had gone away for a few weeks to finish some schooling.  I think I was around 8 years old.  My dad came back and confessed to us that he had consumed a beverage without first reading the label.  I think this was some life lesson he was trying to convey to us kids.  Anyway I was 18 years old when I first came across this particular beverage in a fountain drink dispenser and was shocked to discover Mello Yello was not an alcoholic beverage as I had assumed.

Sex is the other social difference in that abstinence before marriage, even among adults, is the rule among devout mormons.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I doubt you would have botched it, you seem to have a pretty good grounding in the basics.  I&#8217;m glad you mentioned the dietary constraints.  I thought about it, but felt it was getting too long already.</p>
<p>Here&#8217;s a funny story.  Mormons are more strict with regards to diet depending on the household and sometimes parts of the country.  I grew up in southern Idaho in a family that felt even caffeinated softdrinks were verboten (its not by the way).  My dad had gone away for a few weeks to finish some schooling.  I think I was around 8 years old.  My dad came back and confessed to us that he had consumed a beverage without first reading the label.  I think this was some life lesson he was trying to convey to us kids.  Anyway I was 18 years old when I first came across this particular beverage in a fountain drink dispenser and was shocked to discover Mello Yello was not an alcoholic beverage as I had assumed.</p>
<p>Sex is the other social difference in that abstinence before marriage, even among adults, is the rule among devout mormons.</p>
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		<title>By: Robert</title>
		<link>https://habitablezone.com/2016/01/15/to-sdg/#comment-35238</link>
		<dc:creator>Robert</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 18 Jan 2016 20:08:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>After a day or so went by with no reply (you don&#039;t drop by every day, so normal), I started to think about what I&#039;d advise Jody to say to her granddaughter. I&#039;d have tread lightly on theology too, which is a difficult concept for outsiders and full of pitfalls; and talked a lot about the early history of struggle and persecution. Glad you took care of it before an outsider like me tried and botched it.

An area you didn&#039;t mention but might be appropriate for a kid, even one not considering joining up, is how to relate to Mormons socially. For example, she might have noticed that her Mormon friends tend to come from large families, as a result of religious beliefs. They might dress conservatively, and their families might do things others don&#039;t, like stock up on food. It&#039;s a good life lesson in general that people have reasons for what they do even if outsiders can&#039;t see it.

The biggest social minefield for all kinds of people is diet and ingestion of intoxicants and stimulants, whether your friends are vegan or Mormon or Muslim or Jewish. Jody&#039;s granddaughter ought to know about the high standards Mormons set, regarding the body as a temple, and eschewing not just alcohol but nicotine and other things too (Mormons aren&#039;t hypocrites when it comes to &quot;Just say &#039;no&#039; to drugs&quot;). If, later as a teenager, a Mormon friend declines to &quot;party&quot;, the granddaughter ought to understand the need to respect the religious basis for that stand.

Just a few thoughts, trying to tread lightly among your religious beliefs.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>After a day or so went by with no reply (you don&#8217;t drop by every day, so normal), I started to think about what I&#8217;d advise Jody to say to her granddaughter. I&#8217;d have tread lightly on theology too, which is a difficult concept for outsiders and full of pitfalls; and talked a lot about the early history of struggle and persecution. Glad you took care of it before an outsider like me tried and botched it.</p>
<p>An area you didn&#8217;t mention but might be appropriate for a kid, even one not considering joining up, is how to relate to Mormons socially. For example, she might have noticed that her Mormon friends tend to come from large families, as a result of religious beliefs. They might dress conservatively, and their families might do things others don&#8217;t, like stock up on food. It&#8217;s a good life lesson in general that people have reasons for what they do even if outsiders can&#8217;t see it.</p>
<p>The biggest social minefield for all kinds of people is diet and ingestion of intoxicants and stimulants, whether your friends are vegan or Mormon or Muslim or Jewish. Jody&#8217;s granddaughter ought to know about the high standards Mormons set, regarding the body as a temple, and eschewing not just alcohol but nicotine and other things too (Mormons aren&#8217;t hypocrites when it comes to &#8220;Just say &#8216;no&#8217; to drugs&#8221;). If, later as a teenager, a Mormon friend declines to &#8220;party&#8221;, the granddaughter ought to understand the need to respect the religious basis for that stand.</p>
<p>Just a few thoughts, trying to tread lightly among your religious beliefs.</p>
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		<title>By: Jody</title>
		<link>https://habitablezone.com/2016/01/15/to-sdg/#comment-35236</link>
		<dc:creator>Jody</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 18 Jan 2016 19:20:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I want to present it so that my granddaughter will realize she can choose Mormonism if she wants.


Her Momma is an atheist, so although that is an option should she choose, I want her to know all her options.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I want to present it so that my granddaughter will realize she can choose Mormonism if she wants.</p>
<p>Her Momma is an atheist, so although that is an option should she choose, I want her to know all her options.</p>
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		<title>By: SDG</title>
		<link>https://habitablezone.com/2016/01/15/to-sdg/#comment-35234</link>
		<dc:creator>SDG</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 18 Jan 2016 17:39:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hey Jody, thanks for asking.  What you are asking is not an easy task simply because there is so much.  I&#039;ll limit to a few main points, but feel free to ask more questions for clarity or curiosity.

First and foremost, mormons are christian.  Anyone that says otherwise either doesn&#039;t know a thing about mormons or harbors an agenda.  While its true we break from a lot of the christian sects with our own doctrine and scripture, we worship the same God and try to live Christlike lives.

Preseletizing is a tenant of the faith, which is why those two men are out their talking to people.  I served my 2 years in Germany starting at age 20 and it was the toughest 2 years of my life.  I know its often resented when the knock comes at the door, but if there is no interest in talking to them a polite no thank you should suffice.  Otherwise they&#039;d be happy to spend a few minutes answering questions.   

The religion got its start when a young man by the name of Joseph Smith asked God which of the disparate Christian sects he should join.  He got his answer when in a vision he saw God and Jesus Christ with an answer that he should join none of them and that a new work would be started which was to restore Christ&#039;s church on the earth.  Joseph Smith was to be called as a modern day Prophet and his first task would be to translate an ancient record which would be a companion scripture to the Bible.  He was given Gold Plates and other implements with which he worked at this task to bring forth the Book of Mormon.  It is an account of a family that left Jerusalem 600 years BC and travelled to the American continent.  The family divided into two main camps that warred with one another for hundreds of years.  The pinnacle of the book is the resurrected Christ&#039;s visit to these people which ushered in an age of peace that lasted for a while but eventually the people divided once again in warfare until those who followed Christ were destroyed.  Mormon was one of the last prophets of these people, who compiled the records of 1000 years into the Gold Plates which would eventually be given to Joseph Smith.

The church was formed in 1830 with Joseph Smith as the Prophet.  Under his hand other texts were added to the Canon of scripture.  The mormon faith grew  and persecution followed wherever they tried to build a community.  It grew because of the missionary efforts throughout the states, Canada and Europe.  An early tenant of the teaching was that the members should gather and build up a community where they could worship God together.  Mormons quickly became unpopular, especially in Missouri, where they were expelled by force from the State.  Part of this was due to all of the foreign sounding immigrants pouring into the area which upset the political balances.  The slavery question was a firebrand issue, but there were other issues as well, some of them the fault of the mormons.

Joseph Smith was killed in 1844 while in prison.  He was shot 4 times when a mob stormed the jail he was being held in.  This didn&#039;t end Mormonism though.  Succession of the prophetic mantle fell to Brigham Young which the main body of mormons followed, though there were several offshoots as well.  The main body of mormons organized under Brigham Young and left the United States in a mass exodus to the Salt Lake Valley in Utah, but was then part of Mexican territory.

The church today is much the same as it was when it was organized in 1830.  As prophets die, new once take their place.  Today his name is Thomas Monson.  The church is much bigger and worldwide due to the missionary emphasis.  We are about 15 million people worldwide, though probably only half is devout.  

I was born a mormon, as were my parents and their parents.  On my mom&#039;s side mormonism goes back to the early days of Joseph Smith.  On my Dad&#039;s side mormonism started in Denmark in the 1860s when a great great swedish grandfather was taught by the missionaries.  His family then emigrated to Utah and put down roots.  My own faith is continually tested, especially in this modern age, when speaking of prophets and God is out of fashion.  Regardless my faith is my own and its how I raise my kids.  They will have to decide for themselves whether to continue in it, but for me its a way of life.  It isn&#039;t a perfect faith, but it suits me well.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hey Jody, thanks for asking.  What you are asking is not an easy task simply because there is so much.  I&#8217;ll limit to a few main points, but feel free to ask more questions for clarity or curiosity.</p>
<p>First and foremost, mormons are christian.  Anyone that says otherwise either doesn&#8217;t know a thing about mormons or harbors an agenda.  While its true we break from a lot of the christian sects with our own doctrine and scripture, we worship the same God and try to live Christlike lives.</p>
<p>Preseletizing is a tenant of the faith, which is why those two men are out their talking to people.  I served my 2 years in Germany starting at age 20 and it was the toughest 2 years of my life.  I know its often resented when the knock comes at the door, but if there is no interest in talking to them a polite no thank you should suffice.  Otherwise they&#8217;d be happy to spend a few minutes answering questions.   </p>
<p>The religion got its start when a young man by the name of Joseph Smith asked God which of the disparate Christian sects he should join.  He got his answer when in a vision he saw God and Jesus Christ with an answer that he should join none of them and that a new work would be started which was to restore Christ&#8217;s church on the earth.  Joseph Smith was to be called as a modern day Prophet and his first task would be to translate an ancient record which would be a companion scripture to the Bible.  He was given Gold Plates and other implements with which he worked at this task to bring forth the Book of Mormon.  It is an account of a family that left Jerusalem 600 years BC and travelled to the American continent.  The family divided into two main camps that warred with one another for hundreds of years.  The pinnacle of the book is the resurrected Christ&#8217;s visit to these people which ushered in an age of peace that lasted for a while but eventually the people divided once again in warfare until those who followed Christ were destroyed.  Mormon was one of the last prophets of these people, who compiled the records of 1000 years into the Gold Plates which would eventually be given to Joseph Smith.</p>
<p>The church was formed in 1830 with Joseph Smith as the Prophet.  Under his hand other texts were added to the Canon of scripture.  The mormon faith grew  and persecution followed wherever they tried to build a community.  It grew because of the missionary efforts throughout the states, Canada and Europe.  An early tenant of the teaching was that the members should gather and build up a community where they could worship God together.  Mormons quickly became unpopular, especially in Missouri, where they were expelled by force from the State.  Part of this was due to all of the foreign sounding immigrants pouring into the area which upset the political balances.  The slavery question was a firebrand issue, but there were other issues as well, some of them the fault of the mormons.</p>
<p>Joseph Smith was killed in 1844 while in prison.  He was shot 4 times when a mob stormed the jail he was being held in.  This didn&#8217;t end Mormonism though.  Succession of the prophetic mantle fell to Brigham Young which the main body of mormons followed, though there were several offshoots as well.  The main body of mormons organized under Brigham Young and left the United States in a mass exodus to the Salt Lake Valley in Utah, but was then part of Mexican territory.</p>
<p>The church today is much the same as it was when it was organized in 1830.  As prophets die, new once take their place.  Today his name is Thomas Monson.  The church is much bigger and worldwide due to the missionary emphasis.  We are about 15 million people worldwide, though probably only half is devout.  </p>
<p>I was born a mormon, as were my parents and their parents.  On my mom&#8217;s side mormonism goes back to the early days of Joseph Smith.  On my Dad&#8217;s side mormonism started in Denmark in the 1860s when a great great swedish grandfather was taught by the missionaries.  His family then emigrated to Utah and put down roots.  My own faith is continually tested, especially in this modern age, when speaking of prophets and God is out of fashion.  Regardless my faith is my own and its how I raise my kids.  They will have to decide for themselves whether to continue in it, but for me its a way of life.  It isn&#8217;t a perfect faith, but it suits me well.</p>
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		<title>By: Jody</title>
		<link>https://habitablezone.com/2016/01/15/to-sdg/#comment-35206</link>
		<dc:creator>Jody</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 15 Jan 2016 21:43:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Absolutely true. I come away a better person EVERYTIME I have a conversation with my friend Rosie. I have to behave myself. I don&#039;t cuss. 

I don&#039;t label people. Any friends I have, are carefully selected because they do not label people. 
I find out in passing conversation what their religious beliefs are or their political persuasion. This is after quite some time I have known them.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Absolutely true. I come away a better person EVERYTIME I have a conversation with my friend Rosie. I have to behave myself. I don&#8217;t cuss. </p>
<p>I don&#8217;t label people. Any friends I have, are carefully selected because they do not label people.<br />
I find out in passing conversation what their religious beliefs are or their political persuasion. This is after quite some time I have known them.</p>
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		<title>By: TB</title>
		<link>https://habitablezone.com/2016/01/15/to-sdg/#comment-35201</link>
		<dc:creator>TB</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 15 Jan 2016 18:14:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Our first daycare lady was Mormon, caring for our kids in her home.&lt;/p&gt;

We preferred this to the large scale &quot;school&quot; style of daycares when our children were small. When she stopped doing daycare, we went out of our way to get references to other LDS women for daycare, and found another one that did a wonderful job for several years and became a close family friend.

The details of the religion weren&#039;t that much more important than the fine details of any Christian religion, but the family values were.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Our first daycare lady was Mormon, caring for our kids in her home.</p>
<p>We preferred this to the large scale &#8220;school&#8221; style of daycares when our children were small. When she stopped doing daycare, we went out of our way to get references to other LDS women for daycare, and found another one that did a wonderful job for several years and became a close family friend.</p>
<p>The details of the religion weren&#8217;t that much more important than the fine details of any Christian religion, but the family values were.</p>
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