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Accidental uplift January 29, 2016 4:11 pm Robert

Maybe our “clients”, as David Brin conceived in the Startide series, a companion species we bring to sapience, won’t be dolphins or chimpanzees after all.

It might be bears.
Bears get a handle on opening car doors – but could it be their downfall? (The Guardian)

Bears living around humans seem to be learning simple tool use and manipulation of mechanisms, and the learning is persisting across generations. Bears are showing signs of developing primitive eusocial behaviors and a rudimentary culture.

According to a Park Service specialist, “They learn very quickly, if there’s a reward, how to get that,” Another way to look at it: When you offer rewards to a client (human-adjacent) species for learning, you’re teaching. The bears aren’t just passively “learning”.

We seem to be accidentally uplifting bears, kind of like Brin imagined it.

Thanks to podrock for turning me on to EO Wilson’s “The Social ColonizationConquest of Earth”, where I read about euscociality, and Wilson’s view of how it powered humans to where we are today. It really starts when a species has a nest or den in which which multiple families live for multiple generations, and specializing into defense, foraging, reproductive roles, etc.

Bears have dens, but they’re not communal. But what if they pick up the powerful lesson of how we live in fixed communal “dens”, and adopt that practice too? Will that be enough to put bears on the path to sapience?

Do we really want to compete with intelligent bears?

  • Bear boxes. (Canisters, really.) by bowser 2016-01-30 13:38:24
    • You know who else can do whatever they put their minds to? by Robert 2016-01-30 16:53:06
    • I had a feeling you'd enjoy it. by podrock 2016-01-29 20:30:48
      • It was rich food for thought by Robert 2016-01-30 16:44:17
      • Politics on space. Don't you get enough on CE and Flame. by RobVG 2016-01-29 18:26:56
        • Bullish on decorum, bearish on bears. by Robert 2016-01-30 18:26:34
          • Aww, do you find it un-bear-able? by RL 2016-01-29 18:31:36
            • No I'm just embarrassed for you. by RobVG 2016-01-29 19:26:03
              • I didn't realize you felt so strongly about bears, Rob... by RL 2016-01-29 19:39:32
                • Its not like I accused a particular political party of Panda-ring to the lowest common denominator... by RL 2016-01-29 19:53:53
                  • I guess I'll just grin and bear it. by RobVG 2016-01-29 20:24:03
                    • Say cheeese- its a Kodiak moment! by RL 2016-01-29 20:44:25
                      • I gotta claw my way outta this by RobVG 2016-01-29 20:54:08
                        • Dogged determination! Get your bearings, then don't paws. by bowser 2016-01-30 22:23:12
                          • Hey, join the cub... by mcfly 2016-01-31 09:03:05
                          • Yeah, you're geting pelted by podrock 2016-01-29 21:02:38
                • Our society is polar-ized. by ER 2016-01-29 19:01:09
              • Another example? by ER 2016-01-29 17:40:07
                • Hasn't made it West, yet by Robert 2016-01-30 16:47:22
                  • If they get crowded they'll (co)operate in a pack. by bowser 2016-01-30 21:18:43
                • Just a matter of time before they come for our women... by RL 2016-01-29 16:49:23
                  • So RL...are you a jock, otter, bear or wolf? by Jody 2016-01-29 20:18:15
                    • He's going to expect her to bear it all for him.. by ER 2016-01-29 17:32:48
                      • And when the NRA puts in its 2 cents on the meaning ... by RL 2016-01-29 17:41:13
                        • La raza maestra. by ER 2016-01-29 18:09:40
                          • O so true... by RL 2016-01-29 18:14:07
                    • I always thought Rattus rattus would first achieve that status. by ER 2016-01-29 16:43:13

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