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		<title>By: bowser</title>
		<link>https://habitablezone.com/2016/02/17/homeless-folks/#comment-35708</link>
		<dc:creator>bowser</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 20 Feb 2016 23:13:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Robert, I&#039;ll concede I do not want people crapping in my yard.  Don&#039;t want garbage there, either.  If that disturbs you I&#039;m truly sorry.  If you read hatred and intolerance into that, I&#039;m even sorrier.  For you.

Now I&#039;m puzzled by the timestamps, as I know I published three posts before I read your criticism.  I did not tone anything in my posts in response to your comments.  If you think I would have toned matters down in the face of criticism from you, you are right If I thought you are correct.  In this case, where you have created an issue where none exists for me, I wouldn&#039;t.  I haven&#039;t.  I didn&#039;t.  Period.

However, let&#039;s just take the two which are timestamped before yours.

First, regarding &quot;eat, pee and crap&quot;.  We all do that.  I could hardly criticize anyone for it.  What they do with the residue is the issue.

I don&#039;t think I criticize anyone for being homeless.  The last part of a post published before yours.  

&quot;If he goes before I do I’ll miss him. And while the “system” screwed him over, I can’t help but think that it has also tried to make it up to him.

&quot;There but for the Grace – - – . I can’t help but think that if it weren’t for some very nice, very patient people in my life who saw something I couldn’t that I would be in the next hole over.&quot;s

I don&#039;t need to go any farther.  The issue is yours, I suspect it&#039;s personal.  The attitudes you ascribe to me certainly aren&#039;t mine.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Robert, I&#8217;ll concede I do not want people crapping in my yard.  Don&#8217;t want garbage there, either.  If that disturbs you I&#8217;m truly sorry.  If you read hatred and intolerance into that, I&#8217;m even sorrier.  For you.</p>
<p>Now I&#8217;m puzzled by the timestamps, as I know I published three posts before I read your criticism.  I did not tone anything in my posts in response to your comments.  If you think I would have toned matters down in the face of criticism from you, you are right If I thought you are correct.  In this case, where you have created an issue where none exists for me, I wouldn&#8217;t.  I haven&#8217;t.  I didn&#8217;t.  Period.</p>
<p>However, let&#8217;s just take the two which are timestamped before yours.</p>
<p>First, regarding &#8220;eat, pee and crap&#8221;.  We all do that.  I could hardly criticize anyone for it.  What they do with the residue is the issue.</p>
<p>I don&#8217;t think I criticize anyone for being homeless.  The last part of a post published before yours.  </p>
<p>&#8220;If he goes before I do I’ll miss him. And while the “system” screwed him over, I can’t help but think that it has also tried to make it up to him.</p>
<p>&#8220;There but for the Grace – &#8211; – . I can’t help but think that if it weren’t for some very nice, very patient people in my life who saw something I couldn’t that I would be in the next hole over.&#8221;s</p>
<p>I don&#8217;t need to go any farther.  The issue is yours, I suspect it&#8217;s personal.  The attitudes you ascribe to me certainly aren&#8217;t mine.</p>
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		<title>By: Robert</title>
		<link>https://habitablezone.com/2016/02/17/homeless-folks/#comment-35706</link>
		<dc:creator>Robert</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 20 Feb 2016 18:58:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>C&#039;mon, bowser, your tone turned much more humane after I criticized you. It&#039;s your initial comments that I found so &lt;i&gt;in&lt;/i&gt;humane, and it seemed you just dug in deeper when you responded to me.

When you say that the homeless &quot;do not take sanitation into consideration&quot;, you&#039;re clearly saying that they have a choice, that they choose to live like animals.

You&#039;re defining the problem as the homeless &quot;folks&quot; themselves, and not the circumstances that have made them homeless. Some are, as you say, &quot;unemployable&quot;...so why aren&#039;t they wards of the state? If someone can&#039;t take care of themselves, society is obligated to take care of them. And society is failing in its duty toward those who can&#039;t take care of themselves.

Don&#039;t forget, bowser, that here in San Jose we had the country&#039;s largest homeless encampment, &quot;The Jungle&quot;. And Silicon Valley in general has a serious homelessness problem, which means that I encounter homeless people a lot. When you walk three miles a day, your path will cross that of a homeless person.

A great many of the homeless, at least here, are economic refugees. Many people have literally been &lt;i&gt;made&lt;/i&gt; homeless by eviction and exploding housing costs; they didn&#039;t just find themselves homeless one day. A large percentage of the homeless here are the jobless, victims of the Great Recession who never recovered from it.

Most homeless people in America are victims, bowser. They are not volunteers as you clearly imply. Fix the deep flaws in our society that creates the homeless, and you won&#039;t have to suffer their stench.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>C&#8217;mon, bowser, your tone turned much more humane after I criticized you. It&#8217;s your initial comments that I found so <i>in</i>humane, and it seemed you just dug in deeper when you responded to me.</p>
<p>When you say that the homeless &#8220;do not take sanitation into consideration&#8221;, you&#8217;re clearly saying that they have a choice, that they choose to live like animals.</p>
<p>You&#8217;re defining the problem as the homeless &#8220;folks&#8221; themselves, and not the circumstances that have made them homeless. Some are, as you say, &#8220;unemployable&#8221;&#8230;so why aren&#8217;t they wards of the state? If someone can&#8217;t take care of themselves, society is obligated to take care of them. And society is failing in its duty toward those who can&#8217;t take care of themselves.</p>
<p>Don&#8217;t forget, bowser, that here in San Jose we had the country&#8217;s largest homeless encampment, &#8220;The Jungle&#8221;. And Silicon Valley in general has a serious homelessness problem, which means that I encounter homeless people a lot. When you walk three miles a day, your path will cross that of a homeless person.</p>
<p>A great many of the homeless, at least here, are economic refugees. Many people have literally been <i>made</i> homeless by eviction and exploding housing costs; they didn&#8217;t just find themselves homeless one day. A large percentage of the homeless here are the jobless, victims of the Great Recession who never recovered from it.</p>
<p>Most homeless people in America are victims, bowser. They are not volunteers as you clearly imply. Fix the deep flaws in our society that creates the homeless, and you won&#8217;t have to suffer their stench.</p>
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		<title>By: bowser</title>
		<link>https://habitablezone.com/2016/02/17/homeless-folks/#comment-35700</link>
		<dc:creator>bowser</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 20 Feb 2016 07:26:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>You really ought to read what I&#039;ve written in this thread before running off like that.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You really ought to read what I&#8217;ve written in this thread before running off like that.</p>
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		<title>By: bowser</title>
		<link>https://habitablezone.com/2016/02/17/homeless-folks/#comment-35697</link>
		<dc:creator>bowser</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 19 Feb 2016 23:31:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>A couple of months ago I was coming home from a visit to a Drs office and transferred in downtown.  There is a paved square there.  I laid down on the top of a broad wall, exhausted.  A cop came along and told me I couldn&#039;t lay down.  I explained that I was 75 y/o, tired, and wanted to rest.

The cop explained again that I couldn&#039;t lay down.

I asked what would happen if I did.  He&#039;d have to write me a ticket.  And if I didn&#039;t pay it?  You&#039;d wind up in front of a judge.  Do you think that&#039;s right?

By then I was standing up, in front of him.  And this had gone as far as he wanted.  He had done what he needed to, I wasn&#039;t laying down, and he just walked off.  As he did a city employee came along and told me I could lay down if there was a health reason.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>A couple of months ago I was coming home from a visit to a Drs office and transferred in downtown.  There is a paved square there.  I laid down on the top of a broad wall, exhausted.  A cop came along and told me I couldn&#8217;t lay down.  I explained that I was 75 y/o, tired, and wanted to rest.</p>
<p>The cop explained again that I couldn&#8217;t lay down.</p>
<p>I asked what would happen if I did.  He&#8217;d have to write me a ticket.  And if I didn&#8217;t pay it?  You&#8217;d wind up in front of a judge.  Do you think that&#8217;s right?</p>
<p>By then I was standing up, in front of him.  And this had gone as far as he wanted.  He had done what he needed to, I wasn&#8217;t laying down, and he just walked off.  As he did a city employee came along and told me I could lay down if there was a health reason.</p>
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		<title>By: bowser</title>
		<link>https://habitablezone.com/2016/02/17/homeless-folks/#comment-35696</link>
		<dc:creator>bowser</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 19 Feb 2016 23:21:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Human beings, rich, poor, and in between &quot;eat, pee and crap&quot;.  Those activities have by-products which must be handled in various judicious ways to prevent various diseases.  If they are not properly processed the entire community is at risk.  

The homeless folks who live in the woods near me do not take sanitation into consideration in their living arrangements.  That is unfortunate.

Did I say they should get jobs?  I didn&#039;t.  Those I know are unemployable.  In one of my posts did I praise an attempt to provide a solution?  Yes.

Now it&#039;s a fact of life, as you so eloquently point out, that people pee and crap.  Another fact of life you conveniently ignore is that manure, crap, shit is a breeding ground for disease and must be processed to protect society.  You know that.  I know that.

Restraint, my friend.  Read the words, see what is said, and don&#039;t see what isn&#039;t said.  And don&#039;t blame someone for pointing out a problem and not a solution too.  Somehow your reading very harsh judgments which aren&#039;t there into what I said says a lot about you and nothing about me.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Human beings, rich, poor, and in between &#8220;eat, pee and crap&#8221;.  Those activities have by-products which must be handled in various judicious ways to prevent various diseases.  If they are not properly processed the entire community is at risk.  </p>
<p>The homeless folks who live in the woods near me do not take sanitation into consideration in their living arrangements.  That is unfortunate.</p>
<p>Did I say they should get jobs?  I didn&#8217;t.  Those I know are unemployable.  In one of my posts did I praise an attempt to provide a solution?  Yes.</p>
<p>Now it&#8217;s a fact of life, as you so eloquently point out, that people pee and crap.  Another fact of life you conveniently ignore is that manure, crap, shit is a breeding ground for disease and must be processed to protect society.  You know that.  I know that.</p>
<p>Restraint, my friend.  Read the words, see what is said, and don&#8217;t see what isn&#8217;t said.  And don&#8217;t blame someone for pointing out a problem and not a solution too.  Somehow your reading very harsh judgments which aren&#8217;t there into what I said says a lot about you and nothing about me.</p>
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		<title>By: ER</title>
		<link>https://habitablezone.com/2016/02/17/homeless-folks/#comment-35695</link>
		<dc:creator>ER</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 19 Feb 2016 22:13:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>...he was poking fun at at some liberal do-gooder charity that was trying to raise money to buy pushcarts for the homeless.  Most homeless folks own more property than they can carry, so they usually steal a shopping cart so they can load it up with their gear  and wheel it around town.  Very often, they simply don&#039;t have a place where they can leave their belongings without someone stealing them, or throwing them away. 

Supermarkets, pissed off at their ever-disappearing shopping carts, started equipping them with electronically-equipped wheel locks that would freeze up if the cart was removed from the store parking lot.  The charity was trying to buy carts so the homeless would be able to move their stuff without having to steal a cart.

Rush thought this was really funny, a real hoot, and evidence of how pathetic and ridiculous bleeding heart liberals were.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8230;he was poking fun at at some liberal do-gooder charity that was trying to raise money to buy pushcarts for the homeless.  Most homeless folks own more property than they can carry, so they usually steal a shopping cart so they can load it up with their gear  and wheel it around town.  Very often, they simply don&#8217;t have a place where they can leave their belongings without someone stealing them, or throwing them away. </p>
<p>Supermarkets, pissed off at their ever-disappearing shopping carts, started equipping them with electronically-equipped wheel locks that would freeze up if the cart was removed from the store parking lot.  The charity was trying to buy carts so the homeless would be able to move their stuff without having to steal a cart.</p>
<p>Rush thought this was really funny, a real hoot, and evidence of how pathetic and ridiculous bleeding heart liberals were.</p>
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		<title>By: ER</title>
		<link>https://habitablezone.com/2016/02/17/homeless-folks/#comment-35694</link>
		<dc:creator>ER</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 19 Feb 2016 21:56:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>If there are more workers than there are jobs, people will be willing to work for less money, and they&#039;ll be less likely to cause trouble for their employers, to agitate for higher wages, or demand safer or cleaner working conditions.  This will lead in turn to higher returns on investment, bigger profits, and lower prices.  Everybody wins, except for those who are too stupid or lazy to adapt.

That&#039;s how free markets are supposed to work.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>If there are more workers than there are jobs, people will be willing to work for less money, and they&#8217;ll be less likely to cause trouble for their employers, to agitate for higher wages, or demand safer or cleaner working conditions.  This will lead in turn to higher returns on investment, bigger profits, and lower prices.  Everybody wins, except for those who are too stupid or lazy to adapt.</p>
<p>That&#8217;s how free markets are supposed to work.</p>
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		<title>By: ER</title>
		<link>https://habitablezone.com/2016/02/17/homeless-folks/#comment-35693</link>
		<dc:creator>ER</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 19 Feb 2016 21:50:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>In S. Florida, the latest solution to the homeless problem includes placing a concrete loaf in the middle of each park bench so that only two people, instead of three, can sit on it, and so no one can stretch out on it and sleep.

People who don&#039;t find this kind of thinking offensive I find offensive.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In S. Florida, the latest solution to the homeless problem includes placing a concrete loaf in the middle of each park bench so that only two people, instead of three, can sit on it, and so no one can stretch out on it and sleep.</p>
<p>People who don&#8217;t find this kind of thinking offensive I find offensive.</p>
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		<title>By: RL</title>
		<link>https://habitablezone.com/2016/02/17/homeless-folks/#comment-35690</link>
		<dc:creator>RL</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 19 Feb 2016 19:47:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>All these problems are a result of their biological processes, what we need to do is somehow stop them from engaging in such processes... one tried and true way to do this is to deprive them of food, shelter, and adequate health care- then it becomes- as you put it- a &#039;self-limiting matter&#039;...

But then, we are already doing that- aren&#039;t we....

Perhaps you could team up with this douche...err entrepreneur:
&lt;a href=&quot;http://www.nydailynews.com/news/national/tech-bro-pens-open-letter-san-francisco-riff-raff-article-1.2535921&quot; target=&quot;_blank&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;http://www.nydailynews.com/news/national/tech-bro-pens-open-letter-san-francisco-riff-raff-article-1.2535921&lt;/a&gt;

I just spent 6 days in San Francisco, the streets were filled with broken and ignored people- it made me mad and disgusted, but not at the victims - I am disgusted at the system and organizations that allow this to happen.

I wonder what dysfunction led to this being such a problem in San Francisco vs other cities...

but if you rather not spend the time and money thinking about and addressing the causes, then this is a cheap solution:


&lt;img src=&quot;http://d3819ii77zvwic.cloudfront.net/wp-content/uploads/2014/06/main19.jpg&quot;&gt;
Homeless spikes are all the rage....

Planning on voting republican?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>All these problems are a result of their biological processes, what we need to do is somehow stop them from engaging in such processes&#8230; one tried and true way to do this is to deprive them of food, shelter, and adequate health care- then it becomes- as you put it- a &#8216;self-limiting matter&#8217;&#8230;</p>
<p>But then, we are already doing that- aren&#8217;t we&#8230;.</p>
<p>Perhaps you could team up with this douche&#8230;err entrepreneur:<br />
<a href="http://www.nydailynews.com/news/national/tech-bro-pens-open-letter-san-francisco-riff-raff-article-1.2535921" target="_blank" rel="nofollow">http://www.nydailynews.com/news/national/tech-bro-pens-open-letter-san-francisco-riff-raff-article-1.2535921</a></p>
<p>I just spent 6 days in San Francisco, the streets were filled with broken and ignored people- it made me mad and disgusted, but not at the victims &#8211; I am disgusted at the system and organizations that allow this to happen.</p>
<p>I wonder what dysfunction led to this being such a problem in San Francisco vs other cities&#8230;</p>
<p>but if you rather not spend the time and money thinking about and addressing the causes, then this is a cheap solution:</p>
<p><img src="http://d3819ii77zvwic.cloudfront.net/wp-content/uploads/2014/06/main19.jpg"/><br />
Homeless spikes are all the rage&#8230;.</p>
<p>Planning on voting republican?</p>
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		<title>By: Robert</title>
		<link>https://habitablezone.com/2016/02/17/homeless-folks/#comment-35689</link>
		<dc:creator>Robert</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 19 Feb 2016 18:37:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Why the nerve of Those People, willfully denying themselves access to indoor plumbing and the abundance of factory-farmed food available to everyone at your neighborhood Safeway!

Seriously, you two, are you listening to yourselves? You sound like you think homelessness is caused by copraphilia, that people are homeless because of an uncontrollable impulse to defecate and urinate in front of other people. I guess it makes a certain manic sense, since you&#039;d have a hard time holding a job if you can&#039;t hold your bowels and bladder in the office. But really, that&#039;s how you think cause and effect works?

Is it just perhaps remotely possible that those people you portray as inherently like barnyard animals would rather live differently if they had a choice? That maybe the definition of your elected officials doing a better job isn&#039;t to ratchet up the use of force against the homeless to move them along to become somebody else&#039;s problem, but just maybe to fix the reasons they&#039;re homeless in the first place?

If you tell somebody &quot;just get a job, ya bum&quot;, you&#039;re being a real asshole if there are no jobs available. Address the problem, not its victims.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Why the nerve of Those People, willfully denying themselves access to indoor plumbing and the abundance of factory-farmed food available to everyone at your neighborhood Safeway!</p>
<p>Seriously, you two, are you listening to yourselves? You sound like you think homelessness is caused by copraphilia, that people are homeless because of an uncontrollable impulse to defecate and urinate in front of other people. I guess it makes a certain manic sense, since you&#8217;d have a hard time holding a job if you can&#8217;t hold your bowels and bladder in the office. But really, that&#8217;s how you think cause and effect works?</p>
<p>Is it just perhaps remotely possible that those people you portray as inherently like barnyard animals would rather live differently if they had a choice? That maybe the definition of your elected officials doing a better job isn&#8217;t to ratchet up the use of force against the homeless to move them along to become somebody else&#8217;s problem, but just maybe to fix the reasons they&#8217;re homeless in the first place?</p>
<p>If you tell somebody &#8220;just get a job, ya bum&#8221;, you&#8217;re being a real asshole if there are no jobs available. Address the problem, not its victims.</p>
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