Comments on: Ruby Ridge and Waco. https://habitablezone.com/2016/02/17/ruby-ridge-and-waco/ Mon, 13 Apr 2026 02:46:53 -0700 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.3.1 By: ER https://habitablezone.com/2016/02/17/ruby-ridge-and-waco/#comment-35683 ER Thu, 18 Feb 2016 06:37:15 +0000 https://www.habitablezone.com/?p=55812#comment-35683 They just need to follow orders. And if people know they're out of control, or aren't following orders, they're not very good at keeping secrets either. They just need to follow orders.

And if people know they’re out of control, or aren’t following orders, they’re not very good at keeping secrets either.

]]> By: bowser https://habitablezone.com/2016/02/17/ruby-ridge-and-waco/#comment-35681 bowser Thu, 18 Feb 2016 05:50:48 +0000 https://www.habitablezone.com/?p=55812#comment-35681 You don't think the CIA is out of control? You don’t think the CIA is out of control?

]]> By: ER https://habitablezone.com/2016/02/17/ruby-ridge-and-waco/#comment-35677 ER Thu, 18 Feb 2016 04:28:22 +0000 https://www.habitablezone.com/?p=55812#comment-35677 The only rogue element in the US Government is the Republican Party. The only rogue element in the US Government is the Republican Party.

]]> By: bowser https://habitablezone.com/2016/02/17/ruby-ridge-and-waco/#comment-35673 bowser Thu, 18 Feb 2016 02:02:09 +0000 https://www.habitablezone.com/?p=55812#comment-35673 I'm saying that when it wants to, the shadow government (CIA, NSA, military, FBI, etc.) takes things into it's own hands and does what it wants. Some challenges aren't worth it to them, some are. Kennedy was fed up with the CIA and was about to put severe limits on it. They did him in. In fact, they did both Kennedy's in. Used a classic scheme. Find a nut to do the job, then kill the nut. Tell me Jack Ruby wasn't acting under orders from someone. Sirhan was so crazy they did not have to kill him. My point is that the "shadow" government is now so strong it is able to do pretty much what it wants to and that includes assassinations within the US and outside. They bombed an al-Jazeera news office, a Chinese embassy and a Doctors without Borders hosptal, all just to warn folks. (The "mistaken identity" card can be played only so often, and the US military has worn it out.) My point is that there are rogue elements in the US government who do whatever they want to do without fear of accountability. I’m saying that when it wants to, the shadow government (CIA, NSA, military, FBI, etc.) takes things into it’s own hands and does what it wants. Some challenges aren’t worth it to them, some are.

Kennedy was fed up with the CIA and was about to put severe limits on it. They did him in. In fact, they did both Kennedy’s in. Used a classic scheme. Find a nut to do the job, then kill the nut. Tell me Jack Ruby wasn’t acting under orders from someone. Sirhan was so crazy they did not have to kill him.

My point is that the “shadow” government is now so strong it is able to do pretty much what it wants to and that includes assassinations within the US and outside. They bombed an al-Jazeera news office, a Chinese embassy and a Doctors without Borders hosptal, all just to warn folks. (The “mistaken identity” card can be played only so often, and the US military has worn it out.)

My point is that there are rogue elements in the US government who do whatever they want to do without fear of accountability.

]]> By: SDG https://habitablezone.com/2016/02/17/ruby-ridge-and-waco/#comment-35670 SDG Wed, 17 Feb 2016 22:24:48 +0000 https://www.habitablezone.com/?p=55812#comment-35670 Not sure where you are going with this. Are you saying that more restraint isn't being exercised by the feds? The timeline disagrees. 1992 Ruby Ridge standoff 1993 Branch Davidian standoff 1996 Montana Freeman standoff 1997 Davis Mountain Texas standoff 2014 Cliven Bundy standoff 2016 Malheur standoff What I see is excessive force in the earlier standoffs and the exercise of restraint in the later standoffs. This to the point that Cliven felt he won in 2014. Expect to see less restraint now as the pendulum swings back. Robert, wasn't there a militia guy on the ur-zone. I'm sure it was during the Al/Justin days after the turn of the century. It seems to me that militias were all the rage in the 90's fell out of favor after 9/11 and have been making a resurgance in the 20teens. Or put another way whenever a democrat was in the white house. Correlation does not equal causation, but it is damned hard to deny the correlation. Not sure where you are going with this. Are you saying that more restraint isn’t being exercised by the feds? The timeline disagrees.

1992 Ruby Ridge standoff
1993 Branch Davidian standoff
1996 Montana Freeman standoff
1997 Davis Mountain Texas standoff
2014 Cliven Bundy standoff
2016 Malheur standoff

What I see is excessive force in the earlier standoffs and the exercise of restraint in the later standoffs. This to the point that Cliven felt he won in 2014. Expect to see less restraint now as the pendulum swings back.

Robert, wasn’t there a militia guy on the ur-zone. I’m sure it was during the Al/Justin days after the turn of the century. It seems to me that militias were all the rage in the 90′s fell out of favor after 9/11 and have been making a resurgance in the 20teens. Or put another way whenever a democrat was in the white house. Correlation does not equal causation, but it is damned hard to deny the correlation.

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