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	<title>Comments on: I&#8217;m sorry, but this is just effing crooked</title>
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		<title>By: ER</title>
		<link>https://habitablezone.com/2016/03/08/im-sorry-but-this-is-just-effing-crooked/#comment-35883</link>
		<dc:creator>ER</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 10 Mar 2016 05:43:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>And neither is it limited to the parties.

All the major institutions of the nation are under attack and mistrusted, the educational system, the courts, the arts, the government, the unions, the corporations, the financial system, the intelligentsia...everybody is mistrusted except the armed forces.

Yeah, the armed forces are trusted.  I don&#039;t think that&#039;s an accident either.

As for laissez-faire democracy, isn&#039;t that what the founders affectionately called &quot;the rabble&quot;?  America has never trusted the hoi polloi, that&#039;s why we&#039;re modeled on a Roman Republic, not an Athenian Democracy. Well, I&#039;m with you.  If the mob actually elects Trump fair and square, then I say let him serve his term. We will profit from the lesson.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>And neither is it limited to the parties.</p>
<p>All the major institutions of the nation are under attack and mistrusted, the educational system, the courts, the arts, the government, the unions, the corporations, the financial system, the intelligentsia&#8230;everybody is mistrusted except the armed forces.</p>
<p>Yeah, the armed forces are trusted.  I don&#8217;t think that&#8217;s an accident either.</p>
<p>As for laissez-faire democracy, isn&#8217;t that what the founders affectionately called &#8220;the rabble&#8221;?  America has never trusted the hoi polloi, that&#8217;s why we&#8217;re modeled on a Roman Republic, not an Athenian Democracy. Well, I&#8217;m with you.  If the mob actually elects Trump fair and square, then I say let him serve his term. We will profit from the lesson.</p>
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		<title>By: SDG</title>
		<link>https://habitablezone.com/2016/03/08/im-sorry-but-this-is-just-effing-crooked/#comment-35880</link>
		<dc:creator>SDG</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 10 Mar 2016 00:10:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>We aren&#039;t ready for your fancy “laissez-faire democracy” Robert.  Hell, we don&#039;t dare actually let a popular vote in the general election, but must rely on the electoral college to give us nicely rounded numbers.

I agree though, the system is self-correcting.  The fairy tale I tell myself so I can sleep is that Conservatives across the country will reject Trump even if nominated. The more states he wins, however, the harder it is to believe the fairy tale.  I will take some solace in that if Trump were to win, God forbid, the left will block every dumb thing that comes out of his mouth.  And they&#039;d be totally within their right to do so.  I might even clap.

I&#039;m not quite ready to drink the left&#039;s kool-aid, but damn it&#039;s getting awful hot and humid over here on the moderate right.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>We aren&#8217;t ready for your fancy “laissez-faire democracy” Robert.  Hell, we don&#8217;t dare actually let a popular vote in the general election, but must rely on the electoral college to give us nicely rounded numbers.</p>
<p>I agree though, the system is self-correcting.  The fairy tale I tell myself so I can sleep is that Conservatives across the country will reject Trump even if nominated. The more states he wins, however, the harder it is to believe the fairy tale.  I will take some solace in that if Trump were to win, God forbid, the left will block every dumb thing that comes out of his mouth.  And they&#8217;d be totally within their right to do so.  I might even clap.</p>
<p>I&#8217;m not quite ready to drink the left&#8217;s kool-aid, but damn it&#8217;s getting awful hot and humid over here on the moderate right.</p>
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		<title>By: Robert</title>
		<link>https://habitablezone.com/2016/03/08/im-sorry-but-this-is-just-effing-crooked/#comment-35878</link>
		<dc:creator>Robert</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 09 Mar 2016 21:38:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I just coined this phrase &quot;laissez-faire democracy&quot;, and I&#039;m gonna stick with it. You(an abstract person not Steve) either have universal suffrage and you count all the votes and you let the chips fall where they may, or you&#039;re a hypocrite if you profess to love democracy.

I guess that&#039;s why, while I find Trump disturbing in so many ways, I&#039;m not actually afraid of the possibility that he&#039;ll become President. First, I think it&#039;s a very low possibility, if democracy is allowed to work--I&#039;m an idealist that way. And second, even if he does, the normal institutional checks--not a thumb on the scale of an election--will rein in Trump&#039;s worst impulses.

Which leads to the fact that it&#039;s disturbing how little faith these &quot;party elites&quot; have in both the country&#039;s institutions and its people. [James Earl Jones voice] I find their lack of faith very disturbing. Christ, they should just butt out and let us have our election in peace! (the last bit was in normal voice).

I&#039;m rooting for the outsider on the Democratic side. Go Bernie!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I just coined this phrase &#8220;laissez-faire democracy&#8221;, and I&#8217;m gonna stick with it. You(an abstract person not Steve) either have universal suffrage and you count all the votes and you let the chips fall where they may, or you&#8217;re a hypocrite if you profess to love democracy.</p>
<p>I guess that&#8217;s why, while I find Trump disturbing in so many ways, I&#8217;m not actually afraid of the possibility that he&#8217;ll become President. First, I think it&#8217;s a very low possibility, if democracy is allowed to work&#8211;I&#8217;m an idealist that way. And second, even if he does, the normal institutional checks&#8211;not a thumb on the scale of an election&#8211;will rein in Trump&#8217;s worst impulses.</p>
<p>Which leads to the fact that it&#8217;s disturbing how little faith these &#8220;party elites&#8221; have in both the country&#8217;s institutions and its people. [James Earl Jones voice] I find their lack of faith very disturbing. Christ, they should just butt out and let us have our election in peace! (the last bit was in normal voice).</p>
<p>I&#8217;m rooting for the outsider on the Democratic side. Go Bernie!</p>
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		<title>By: Robert</title>
		<link>https://habitablezone.com/2016/03/08/im-sorry-but-this-is-just-effing-crooked/#comment-35877</link>
		<dc:creator>Robert</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 09 Mar 2016 21:29:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I think what we&#039;re seeing in both parties neatly bookends the extreme possibilities when an institution puts its thumb on the scale. The establishment picking a candidate in either party will piss off the many mightily, and please an important few.

I know this is supposed to be well-intentioned checks-n-balances within the parties, and the parties are supposed to be stabilizing forces. But how well is that working out in Congress these days, with one party determined to blow everything up? The Senate isn&#039;t looking much like the teacher&#039;s lounge in Congressional middle-school these days. And let&#039;s not even go into the Republican Primary: Blitzkrieg to the White House 2016. 

Stability, not so much on the GOP side. 

A little too much stability on the Democratic side.

Two sides of the same coin.

I would say I support laissez-faire democracy: Universal suffrage, take the vote and let the chips fall where they may. I don&#039;t see any moral alternative--either you believe that self-determination through democracy is a good thing, or you don&#039;t.

Which is a pretty scary position to take at times like these, isn&#039;t it? And that&#039;s the very thing that a demagogue like Trump is effectively exploiting with his strongman message to scared authoritarians. He&#039;s not very subtle when he implies we&#039;ve been enjoying a little too much democracy in recent decades. But he&#039;s just the guy to Make America Grate Again!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think what we&#8217;re seeing in both parties neatly bookends the extreme possibilities when an institution puts its thumb on the scale. The establishment picking a candidate in either party will piss off the many mightily, and please an important few.</p>
<p>I know this is supposed to be well-intentioned checks-n-balances within the parties, and the parties are supposed to be stabilizing forces. But how well is that working out in Congress these days, with one party determined to blow everything up? The Senate isn&#8217;t looking much like the teacher&#8217;s lounge in Congressional middle-school these days. And let&#8217;s not even go into the Republican Primary: Blitzkrieg to the White House 2016. </p>
<p>Stability, not so much on the GOP side. </p>
<p>A little too much stability on the Democratic side.</p>
<p>Two sides of the same coin.</p>
<p>I would say I support laissez-faire democracy: Universal suffrage, take the vote and let the chips fall where they may. I don&#8217;t see any moral alternative&#8211;either you believe that self-determination through democracy is a good thing, or you don&#8217;t.</p>
<p>Which is a pretty scary position to take at times like these, isn&#8217;t it? And that&#8217;s the very thing that a demagogue like Trump is effectively exploiting with his strongman message to scared authoritarians. He&#8217;s not very subtle when he implies we&#8217;ve been enjoying a little too much democracy in recent decades. But he&#8217;s just the guy to Make America Grate Again!</p>
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		<title>By: BuckGalaxy</title>
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		<dc:creator>BuckGalaxy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 09 Mar 2016 17:48:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The dems have super delegates as a safety in case the voters lose their minds, as has happened on the GOP side this year.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The dems have super delegates as a safety in case the voters lose their minds, as has happened on the GOP side this year.</p>
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		<title>By: SDG</title>
		<link>https://habitablezone.com/2016/03/08/im-sorry-but-this-is-just-effing-crooked/#comment-35862</link>
		<dc:creator>SDG</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 09 Mar 2016 17:37:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I think I misread what you were getting at.  Sorry about that.

This is what I was getting at with supers though.

Hillary without supers: 760
Sanders without supers: 546

OK, not quite a horserace, but certainly closer than:

Hillary with supers: 1,221 
Sanders with supers: 571</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think I misread what you were getting at.  Sorry about that.</p>
<p>This is what I was getting at with supers though.</p>
<p>Hillary without supers: 760<br />
Sanders without supers: 546</p>
<p>OK, not quite a horserace, but certainly closer than:</p>
<p>Hillary with supers: 1,221<br />
Sanders with supers: 571</p>
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		<title>By: SDG</title>
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		<dc:creator>SDG</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 09 Mar 2016 15:51:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;ve been watching that as well.  Take away the supers and you have a real horserace.

The irony is if the GOP had super-delegates this year, it would be easy to block Trump from getting a runaway nomination.  Damned if you do, damned if you don&#039;t.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;ve been watching that as well.  Take away the supers and you have a real horserace.</p>
<p>The irony is if the GOP had super-delegates this year, it would be easy to block Trump from getting a runaway nomination.  Damned if you do, damned if you don&#8217;t.</p>
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		<title>By: SteveS</title>
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		<dc:creator>SteveS</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 09 Mar 2016 14:44:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>They know what’s best for you. It doesn’t matter who you vote for or the outcome, you are just lemmings and they have already decided who your leader is.

American socialism at its worse.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>They know what’s best for you. It doesn’t matter who you vote for or the outcome, you are just lemmings and they have already decided who your leader is.</p>
<p>American socialism at its worse.</p>
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