I’ll tell you what. Whatever you say, pro or con, yes or no, AGW or natural causes, honest mistake or conspiracy of evildoers, I won’t respond to you. I don’t want to get into a pointless shouting match, I’m just curious to know where you stand, and why, and how much. So go ahead, have the last word.

Of course, I can’t speak for my sidekick. He is a bit dramatic.

Temporary leads and polnyas will open up, and lakes of melt water will appear on the ice; and water being darker than ice, will absorb sunlight causing the ice below to melt faster. One of the reasons these early submarine polar missions were undertaken was to gather data on these phenomena and develop underwater sensor technology so that patrols and submarine operations in this area could be conducted, with an eye to possible missions such as missile launching or preventing Soviet boats from operating in the area. In short, whether the ice is thin or thick at any one spot tells you nothing. That’s why we use satellites and airborne sensors to quantify the ice area and ice extent numbers for the entire Polar Basin.

Watts must know this. But things have been rather bad for his side lately, The news from the Arctic has been particularly scary this winter, and and he’s doing his best to obscure that fact by bringing in misleading information. Did you note the little dig he took at NSIDC?

But, to paraphrase Lord Stark…”Summer is coming.”

http://www.sourcewatch.org/index.php/Heartland_Institute_and_tobacco

Watts knows he is lying, he is happy to sell out the future of humanity for a quick buck…

The careful way he spins his lies betrays the fact that he is acutely aware of what he is doing…

For a detailed look at just how cleverly he lies, and how much of an artful dodge it really is, check out…

http://neven1.typepad.com/blog/2016/02/grasping-at-uncorrected-straws.html

…for a detailed look at just one maneuver.

Mind you, Watts takes the time to highlight this nonsense, but he hides from his readers that new minimum records have been set last week for both Global sea ice area and extent, and the Arctic sea ice maximum record could very well be broken too in the coming weeks. [Actually, it was! Thats what this thread is all about.--ER.] None of that on WUWT. These things simply don’t exist in the world of climate risk deniers.

This isn’t just somebody who’s mistaken, or even somebody who is honestly pointing out contradictions and bringing up valid points, it is a deliberate campaign to obfuscate the facts and mold public opinion. There is a deliberate agenda. This guy’s on somebody’s payroll. Don’t let those oh-so-intimidating footnotes seduce you. They are, at best, meticulously documented irrelevancies–sort of like the dense fog of scholarship that supports Holocaust Deniers, Nazi Anthropology and Race Theory, and Tobacco Industry Cancer Studies.

Unless you just think its all a conspiracy theory. Which one do you favor?

Its a Communist Plot to steal our freedom.

Its a cabal by climatologists so they can get their research funded.

The Federal Government wants an excuse to open a bunch of new agencies to hamper our businessmen because it hates capitalism..

The United Nations wants to wreck the US economy as part of its ongoing campaign for world domination..

You’ll be in excellent company. At one time or another all of those theories have been floated here at the Zone.

You really should not trust ANYTHING that hack says on climate… otherwise you will continue to embarrass yourself…

It reached the north pole in August 1958 but was unable to surface due to thick ice… it tried again in March 1959 and succeeded in surfacing at the north pole… through thinner ice…

http://www.hullnumber.com/SSN-578

On 30 July, Skate steamed to the Arctic where she operated under the ice for 10 days. During this time, she surfaced nine times through the ice, navigated over 2,400 miles (3,900 km) under it, and on 11 August, 9:47 pm EDT (the week after USS Nautilus) became the second sea ship to reach the North Pole. Skate was unable to surface precisely at the Pole on the August voyage due to dangerous ice conditions as noted in the captain’s 1960 book, “Surface at the Pole: The Extraordinary Voyages of the USS Skate,” where Calvert said, “Seldom had the ice seemed so heavy and so thick as it did in the immediate vicinity of the pole. For days we had searched in vain for a suitable opening to surface in.“The closest was to make radio contact at the surface from a polynya around 30 nm away, but not to surface fully owing to the risk of damage from ice. Skate did manage to surface and make contact with Drifting Ice Station Alpha at 85ºN, 300 nm away. On 23 August, she steamed into Bergen, Norway. The submarine made port calls in the Netherlands, Belgium, and France before returning to New London on 25 September 1958. In recognition of the dangerous and historic feet, the Skate and its crew was given the Navy Unit Commendation award for “… braving the hazards of the polar ice pack….”

While the Skate was unable to surface on its first voyage to the pole, on 17 March 1959, she became the first submarine to surface at the North Pole with Calvert describing the historic moment in his book, saying, “Slowly we blew the tanks and the Skate moved reluctantly upward. It was apparent we were under heavier ice here than any we had experienced before.” While at the pole, Calvert and the crew planted an American Flag in a cairn they built out of ice blocks and put a waterproof container in the cairn with a note commemorating the event. The crew also held a ceremony for the late Arctic explorer Sir Hubert Wilkins and committed his ashes at the pole. In 1931, Sir Hubert had conducted an Arctic expedition in the disarmed research submarine Nautilus (ex-USS O-12). After reaching the Pole, the Skate continued its mission to pioneer arctic operations during periods of extreme cold and maximum ice thickness. When the submarine returned to port, she was awarded a bronze star in lieu of a second Navy Unit Commendation for demonstrating “… for the first time the ability of submarines to operate in and under the Arctic ice in the dead of winter….” In the fall of 1959 and in 1960, Skate participated in exercises designed to strengthen American antisubmarine defenses.

None of this changes the facts…

You really shouldn’t get your information from ‘WattsUpwiththat.com’- people might think you are an idiot…

As a side note, Watts got the photo from the same archive I linked to above where its labeled as NOT being from the March 17 1959 north-pole surfacing… navsource clearly says summer 1958 (other sources say August 1958)… Yet watts claims its a picture of the Skate at the north pole and uses that ‘fact’ to somehow debunk the decades of science…

You see, he knows he is lying to you, Steve, but he also knows you will eat it up and not think it over….