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		<title>By: ER</title>
		<link>https://habitablezone.com/2016/06/26/do-you-know-an-anti-fascist-when-you-see-one/#comment-36913</link>
		<dc:creator>ER</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 28 Jun 2016 02:38:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>There&#039;s a lot of different flavors of fascism, but the one thing they all seem to have in common, the one nugget of bile lying at the intersection of all their poisons, is anti-Semitism.

I had thought that the heroic role Israel plays in fundamentalist evangelical apocalyptic fantasies would eventually come to protect them from this ancient bigotry, but I suppose the roots of racism run strong and deep, and are intertwined intimately in the fabric of fascism.  You will note that it is not Israeli/Palestinian politics or Zionism that is the target here, it is the idea of Jewishness itself, the cultural/religious/ethnic complex at the heart of Jewish civilization. that seems to resonate with Herr Heimbach and his Teutonic Kamerads.

I like the Jews. I feel comfortable and at ease around them.  I respect them for their conservative antiquity and I admire their modern liberality. Even if I disagree with some of their policies and positions, I have a tendency to favor them as a people and as a culture, and to side with them, and to give them the benefit of a doubt.  And I think they have earned the right and cultivated, even perfected, the ability to see and recognize real evil in the world.

I&#039;m not surprised that digging even slightly into the skinhead mentality that seems to be on the march in our country eventually reveals this bottomless reservoir of reckless hate lying just below the surface.  This is truly an ancient foulness, a gangrenous pus as old as Babylon and as evil as Hell.

The time for equivalence is over.  The time has come to take sides.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>There&#8217;s a lot of different flavors of fascism, but the one thing they all seem to have in common, the one nugget of bile lying at the intersection of all their poisons, is anti-Semitism.</p>
<p>I had thought that the heroic role Israel plays in fundamentalist evangelical apocalyptic fantasies would eventually come to protect them from this ancient bigotry, but I suppose the roots of racism run strong and deep, and are intertwined intimately in the fabric of fascism.  You will note that it is not Israeli/Palestinian politics or Zionism that is the target here, it is the idea of Jewishness itself, the cultural/religious/ethnic complex at the heart of Jewish civilization. that seems to resonate with Herr Heimbach and his Teutonic Kamerads.</p>
<p>I like the Jews. I feel comfortable and at ease around them.  I respect them for their conservative antiquity and I admire their modern liberality. Even if I disagree with some of their policies and positions, I have a tendency to favor them as a people and as a culture, and to side with them, and to give them the benefit of a doubt.  And I think they have earned the right and cultivated, even perfected, the ability to see and recognize real evil in the world.</p>
<p>I&#8217;m not surprised that digging even slightly into the skinhead mentality that seems to be on the march in our country eventually reveals this bottomless reservoir of reckless hate lying just below the surface.  This is truly an ancient foulness, a gangrenous pus as old as Babylon and as evil as Hell.</p>
<p>The time for equivalence is over.  The time has come to take sides.</p>
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		<title>By: RL</title>
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		<dc:creator>RL</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 28 Jun 2016 01:21:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>RobVG Has made a habit choosing the wrong side to defend ...
http://www.tradyouth.org/2016/06/fundraiser-our-sacramento-spartans-prevail/

&lt;blockquote&gt;Our Golden State comrades in the Traditionalist Worker Party went up against over ten-to-one odds and won! Regretfully, one of our men was injured and is currently in the hospital, &lt;strong&gt;though at least five of the antifa who instigated the violence with their cowardly tactics and improvised weaponry were sent to the hospital.&lt;/strong&gt; Absolutely all of the credit goes to the Golden State’s courageous warriors, &lt;strong&gt;proving that proven street fighters are absolutely vital to our sacred cause&lt;/strong&gt; of defending our White American families.&lt;/blockquote&gt;

More here:
http://www.latimes.com/local/lanow/la-me-ln-california-white-nationalists-sacramento-20160627-snap-story.html
&lt;blockquote&gt;The group symbolizes the shift away from organized white extremism, according to Mendelson, who said the party does not have many members. The group may be best known for its chairman, Matthew Heimbach, who is considered “the face of a new generation of white nationalists,” by the Southern Poverty Law Center.

Heimbach, who did not attend the Sacramento event, does have a history of activism in California alongside the Golden State Skinheads group. Heimbach was one of the keynote speakers at a 2015 gathering of white nationalists in Bakersfield known as “Camp Comradery,” according to Mendelson.

“Our values are normal, they are not fringe. Right now we are living in an environment where the entire western world is, for better or worse, doped up on Jewish propaganda and on this idea of multiculturalism,” Heimbach said, according to a recording of the speech he posted on his YouTube channel.

O&lt;strong&gt;ther speakers at “Camp Comradery” included William Johnson, a Los Angeles attorney and self-described white separatist who leads the American Freedom Party. This year, Johnson was listed as one of GOP frontrunner Donald Trump’s California delegates for the Republican National Convention&lt;/strong&gt;, though the Trump campaign later claimed his addition to the list was a mistake.&lt;/blockquote&gt;

Ah, a Trump delegate, NOW we know why Rob is so upset...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>RobVG Has made a habit choosing the wrong side to defend &#8230;<br />
<a href="http://www.tradyouth.org/2016/06/fundraiser-our-sacramento-spartans-prevail/" rel="nofollow">http://www.tradyouth.org/2016/06/fundraiser-our-sacramento-spartans-prevail/</a></p>
<blockquote><p>Our Golden State comrades in the Traditionalist Worker Party went up against over ten-to-one odds and won! Regretfully, one of our men was injured and is currently in the hospital, <strong>though at least five of the antifa who instigated the violence with their cowardly tactics and improvised weaponry were sent to the hospital.</strong> Absolutely all of the credit goes to the Golden State’s courageous warriors, <strong>proving that proven street fighters are absolutely vital to our sacred cause</strong> of defending our White American families.</p></blockquote>
<p>More here:<br />
<a href="http://www.latimes.com/local/lanow/la-me-ln-california-white-nationalists-sacramento-20160627-snap-story.html" rel="nofollow">http://www.latimes.com/local/lanow/la-me-ln-california-white-nationalists-sacramento-20160627-snap-story.html</a></p>
<blockquote><p>The group symbolizes the shift away from organized white extremism, according to Mendelson, who said the party does not have many members. The group may be best known for its chairman, Matthew Heimbach, who is considered “the face of a new generation of white nationalists,” by the Southern Poverty Law Center.</p>
<p>Heimbach, who did not attend the Sacramento event, does have a history of activism in California alongside the Golden State Skinheads group. Heimbach was one of the keynote speakers at a 2015 gathering of white nationalists in Bakersfield known as “Camp Comradery,” according to Mendelson.</p>
<p>“Our values are normal, they are not fringe. Right now we are living in an environment where the entire western world is, for better or worse, doped up on Jewish propaganda and on this idea of multiculturalism,” Heimbach said, according to a recording of the speech he posted on his YouTube channel.</p>
<p>O<strong>ther speakers at “Camp Comradery” included William Johnson, a Los Angeles attorney and self-described white separatist who leads the American Freedom Party. This year, Johnson was listed as one of GOP frontrunner Donald Trump’s California delegates for the Republican National Convention</strong>, though the Trump campaign later claimed his addition to the list was a mistake.</p></blockquote>
<p>Ah, a Trump delegate, NOW we know why Rob is so upset&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: RL</title>
		<link>https://habitablezone.com/2016/06/26/do-you-know-an-anti-fascist-when-you-see-one/#comment-36911</link>
		<dc:creator>RL</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 28 Jun 2016 00:55:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Nonviolent protest is fine, if it becomes a crime call the police.

What is NOT fine is to punch and kick someone saying things you don&#039;t like, and yelling &#039;Light the motherfucker on fire&#039;...

That is assault and will get you far more prison time than holding up a sign.

Why are you being so intentionally dense? 
Ask yourself, Rob- WOULD YOU HAVE BELIEVED IT A YEAR AGO IF I TOLD YOU THAT YOU WOULD BE DEFENDING THIS SORT OF BEHAVIOR?

You would have accused me of slandering your character - yet here you are...

What brought you to this point? You have gone from posting in November that you would join a black lives protest to defending the beating of Black lives protesters... saying they asked for it, while at the same time expressing outrage at violent protests against Neo-Nazis...

Get off the Trump train before it careens further into madness dragging you deeper into a very dark ugly place.

History will not remember Trump supporters kindly. If he loses, you will be remembered only as bigoted buffoons gullible enough to buy into his stream of lies- a warning to future generations. If he wins you will be remembered as the barbarians that fatally wounded our once great nation... dragging us down into bigotry, ignorance and fear.

You KNOW this is the way it will go- so why willingly choose to be the villain in this story?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Nonviolent protest is fine, if it becomes a crime call the police.</p>
<p>What is NOT fine is to punch and kick someone saying things you don&#8217;t like, and yelling &#8216;Light the motherfucker on fire&#8217;&#8230;</p>
<p>That is assault and will get you far more prison time than holding up a sign.</p>
<p>Why are you being so intentionally dense?<br />
Ask yourself, Rob- WOULD YOU HAVE BELIEVED IT A YEAR AGO IF I TOLD YOU THAT YOU WOULD BE DEFENDING THIS SORT OF BEHAVIOR?</p>
<p>You would have accused me of slandering your character &#8211; yet here you are&#8230;</p>
<p>What brought you to this point? You have gone from posting in November that you would join a black lives protest to defending the beating of Black lives protesters&#8230; saying they asked for it, while at the same time expressing outrage at violent protests against Neo-Nazis&#8230;</p>
<p>Get off the Trump train before it careens further into madness dragging you deeper into a very dark ugly place.</p>
<p>History will not remember Trump supporters kindly. If he loses, you will be remembered only as bigoted buffoons gullible enough to buy into his stream of lies- a warning to future generations. If he wins you will be remembered as the barbarians that fatally wounded our once great nation&#8230; dragging us down into bigotry, ignorance and fear.</p>
<p>You KNOW this is the way it will go- so why willingly choose to be the villain in this story?</p>
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		<title>By: Robert</title>
		<link>https://habitablezone.com/2016/06/26/do-you-know-an-anti-fascist-when-you-see-one/#comment-36909</link>
		<dc:creator>Robert</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 27 Jun 2016 19:24:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Why are you assuming that the people stabbed were the fascists TWP members?

You left out the quote from two paragraphs later:&lt;blockquote&gt;Matthew Heimbach, leader of the Traditionalist Worker Party, was not at the rally but told CNN that TWP members armed themselves with knives, with blades within the California legal limit. He said they&#039;d been threatened on social media forums. An affiliate group, the Golden State Skinheads, joined them for the rally, he said.

The TWP was charged by a group that describes itself as anti-fascist, he said.
&quot;The anti-fascists used knives, bottles, bricks, and chunks of concrete they broke off a construction site. When they attacked, our men defended themselves to be able to drive the attackers off,&quot; he said.

Heimbach said two &quot;comrades&quot; were hurt -- one stabbed and the other hit in the face with a bottle.&lt;/blockquote&gt;

That corroborates a quote in a Guardian article, in which Heimbach made his intention to commit violence crystal clear:&lt;blockquote&gt;In a post to the organization’s website, Heimbach wrote that he was aware of plans to counter-protest but said: “After carefully weighing the pros and cons, we have decided that &lt;b&gt;this would be our Thermopylae, no matter what it costs.
“We will defend ourselves by any means necessary, and if the police in Sacramento do not protect our right to speak, we will do it ourselves.”&lt;/b&gt;&lt;/blockquote&gt;(emphasis mine)

I read another quote this morning, but can&#039;t find it now, in which one of the fascists boasted something to the effect of &quot;they got one of ours, but we got six of theirs!&quot;. An AP report states that one TWP and six counter-protesters were hospitalized with stab wounds.

Rob, the violence you deplore was planned and instigated by the fascists you defend. And they came out the winners, at least in body count. 

It sounds like a setup, an ambush in which the neo-nazis lured in counter-protesters armed with signs and rocks, and attacked them with knives.

They&#039;re the ones who brought knives to what should have been a word-fight.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Why are you assuming that the people stabbed were the fascists TWP members?</p>
<p>You left out the quote from two paragraphs later:<br />
<blockquote>Matthew Heimbach, leader of the Traditionalist Worker Party, was not at the rally but told CNN that TWP members armed themselves with knives, with blades within the California legal limit. He said they&#8217;d been threatened on social media forums. An affiliate group, the Golden State Skinheads, joined them for the rally, he said.</p>
<p>The TWP was charged by a group that describes itself as anti-fascist, he said.<br />
&#8220;The anti-fascists used knives, bottles, bricks, and chunks of concrete they broke off a construction site. When they attacked, our men defended themselves to be able to drive the attackers off,&#8221; he said.</p>
<p>Heimbach said two &#8220;comrades&#8221; were hurt &#8212; one stabbed and the other hit in the face with a bottle.</p></blockquote>
<p>That corroborates a quote in a Guardian article, in which Heimbach made his intention to commit violence crystal clear:<br />
<blockquote>In a post to the organization’s website, Heimbach wrote that he was aware of plans to counter-protest but said: “After carefully weighing the pros and cons, we have decided that <b>this would be our Thermopylae, no matter what it costs.<br />
“We will defend ourselves by any means necessary, and if the police in Sacramento do not protect our right to speak, we will do it ourselves.”</b></p></blockquote>
<p>(emphasis mine)</p>
<p>I read another quote this morning, but can&#8217;t find it now, in which one of the fascists boasted something to the effect of &#8220;they got one of ours, but we got six of theirs!&#8221;. An AP report states that one TWP and six counter-protesters were hospitalized with stab wounds.</p>
<p>Rob, the violence you deplore was planned and instigated by the fascists you defend. And they came out the winners, at least in body count. </p>
<p>It sounds like a setup, an ambush in which the neo-nazis lured in counter-protesters armed with signs and rocks, and attacked them with knives.</p>
<p>They&#8217;re the ones who brought knives to what should have been a word-fight.</p>
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		<title>By: ER</title>
		<link>https://habitablezone.com/2016/06/26/do-you-know-an-anti-fascist-when-you-see-one/#comment-36907</link>
		<dc:creator>ER</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 27 Jun 2016 14:06:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Every particle has its corresponding anti-particle. Anti-fascists have a left-handed spin and are positively charged.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Every particle has its corresponding anti-particle. Anti-fascists have a left-handed spin and are positively charged.</p>
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		<title>By: RobVG</title>
		<link>https://habitablezone.com/2016/06/26/do-you-know-an-anti-fascist-when-you-see-one/#comment-36905</link>
		<dc:creator>RobVG</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 27 Jun 2016 05:11:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Give me a break.

Sneaking into a Trump rally so you can face the crowd and expose your profanity laden signs and t-shirts and start screaming anti-Trump propaganda is a form of peaceful protest? 

So if you don&#039;t like what someone&#039;s saying, these &quot;protesters&quot; have the right to silence the speaker, antagonize the crowd and prevent those who came to hear him from doing so?

I expect you to say &quot;yes&quot; to both questions because you&#039;re either in your own &quot;little twisted world&quot; or you simply can&#039;t tell the truth.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Give me a break.</p>
<p>Sneaking into a Trump rally so you can face the crowd and expose your profanity laden signs and t-shirts and start screaming anti-Trump propaganda is a form of peaceful protest? </p>
<p>So if you don&#8217;t like what someone&#8217;s saying, these &#8220;protesters&#8221; have the right to silence the speaker, antagonize the crowd and prevent those who came to hear him from doing so?</p>
<p>I expect you to say &#8220;yes&#8221; to both questions because you&#8217;re either in your own &#8220;little twisted world&#8221; or you simply can&#8217;t tell the truth.</p>
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		<title>By: mcfly</title>
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		<dc:creator>mcfly</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 27 Jun 2016 04:03:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The young woman in question said she was there to challenge the nazis head-on. I&#039;m humbled by that kind of courage. She&#039;s out there trying to put a lid on a boiling pot that threatens to burn us all.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The young woman in question said she was there to challenge the nazis head-on. I&#8217;m humbled by that kind of courage. She&#8217;s out there trying to put a lid on a boiling pot that threatens to burn us all.</p>
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		<title>By: RL</title>
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		<dc:creator>RL</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 27 Jun 2016 03:26:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>You are just sputtering hypocrisy.

Violence should be prosecuted.
Peaceful protest should never be met with violence.

YOU are the ONLY one on this board that has defended the use of violence against peaceful protesters. ONLY NOW are you outraged, about NEO-NAZIs being violently opposed.

The black lives matter protesters that were beaten by Trump supporters though, you say &#039;had it coming&#039;

What a twisted little world you live in... have you LISTENED to yourself lately?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You are just sputtering hypocrisy.</p>
<p>Violence should be prosecuted.<br />
Peaceful protest should never be met with violence.</p>
<p>YOU are the ONLY one on this board that has defended the use of violence against peaceful protesters. ONLY NOW are you outraged, about NEO-NAZIs being violently opposed.</p>
<p>The black lives matter protesters that were beaten by Trump supporters though, you say &#8216;had it coming&#8217;</p>
<p>What a twisted little world you live in&#8230; have you LISTENED to yourself lately?</p>
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		<title>By: RobVG</title>
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		<dc:creator>RobVG</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 27 Jun 2016 02:07:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It appears the violence in this case was used to deny the 1st amendment rights of the TWP group. They were denied their right to peacefully assemble (they obtained a permit) and they were silenced.

Again, how do you label these people? These &quot;anti fascists&quot;?

The &quot;violence&quot; we saw at the Trump rallies was a response to protesters who had the same intent as the anti fascists. The &quot;disruptors&quot; and the anti-fascists are one and the same.

Although it was regrettable, I have no sympathy for those at the Trump rallies who brought it on themselves.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It appears the violence in this case was used to deny the 1st amendment rights of the TWP group. They were denied their right to peacefully assemble (they obtained a permit) and they were silenced.</p>
<p>Again, how do you label these people? These &#8220;anti fascists&#8221;?</p>
<p>The &#8220;violence&#8221; we saw at the Trump rallies was a response to protesters who had the same intent as the anti fascists. The &#8220;disruptors&#8221; and the anti-fascists are one and the same.</p>
<p>Although it was regrettable, I have no sympathy for those at the Trump rallies who brought it on themselves.</p>
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		<title>By: RL</title>
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		<dc:creator>RL</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 27 Jun 2016 00:39:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>YOU are the only one here that has defended violence at a rally....

IF the protesters against the neo-nazi numb nuts used violence, then they should be prosecuted...

But since when are you concerned about violence at a rally? Is the reason that you are upset is that it was done against white Trump supporters? (neo-nazis)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>YOU are the only one here that has defended violence at a rally&#8230;.</p>
<p>IF the protesters against the neo-nazi numb nuts used violence, then they should be prosecuted&#8230;</p>
<p>But since when are you concerned about violence at a rally? Is the reason that you are upset is that it was done against white Trump supporters? (neo-nazis)</p>
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