Comments on: I will never forgive Obama for starting the war in Afghanistan… https://habitablezone.com/2016/08/13/i-will-never-forgive-obama-for-starting-the-war-in-afghanistan/ Sat, 11 Apr 2026 02:11:35 -0700 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.3.1 By: BuckGalaxy https://habitablezone.com/2016/08/13/i-will-never-forgive-obama-for-starting-the-war-in-afghanistan/#comment-37263 BuckGalaxy Thu, 18 Aug 2016 05:06:41 +0000 https://www.habitablezone.com/?p=59180#comment-37263 Maybe it's just the volume they whine at that makes it seem higher? Hillary hate obviously raises that bar but as far as a core of utter rightwing assholes goes, 14% is closer to reality than 40%. Maybe it’s just the volume they whine at that makes it seem higher? Hillary hate obviously raises that bar but as far as a core of utter rightwing assholes goes, 14% is closer to reality than 40%.

]]> By: SDG https://habitablezone.com/2016/08/13/i-will-never-forgive-obama-for-starting-the-war-in-afghanistan/#comment-37258 SDG Tue, 16 Aug 2016 22:08:42 +0000 https://www.habitablezone.com/?p=59180#comment-37258 You would think the former mayor of New York, NY might remember 9/11 You would think the former mayor of New York, NY might remember 9/11

]]> By: mcfly https://habitablezone.com/2016/08/13/i-will-never-forgive-obama-for-starting-the-war-in-afghanistan/#comment-37255 mcfly Tue, 16 Aug 2016 04:32:59 +0000 https://www.habitablezone.com/?p=59180#comment-37255 Giuliani's staggering bald-faced lie was no doubt swallowed whole by supporters who, it can only be surmised, have surrendered their ability to think independently. If it weren't such a clear and present threat to my country, I'd find it funny. Giuliani’s staggering bald-faced lie was no doubt swallowed whole by supporters who, it can only be surmised, have surrendered their ability to think independently.

If it weren’t such a clear and present threat to my country, I’d find it funny.

]]> By: ER https://habitablezone.com/2016/08/13/i-will-never-forgive-obama-for-starting-the-war-in-afghanistan/#comment-37254 ER Tue, 16 Aug 2016 01:14:07 +0000 https://www.habitablezone.com/?p=59180#comment-37254 What makes them so angry? What makes them so vicious? What makes them so cruel? They're so rabid, so steeped in hate, so crazed by shivering, sputtering rage they can't even think straight any <a href="https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t6qQSll7InQ" rel="nofollow">more.</a> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t6qQSll7InQ Actually, there were lots of terrorist attacks before Obama/Clinton. But they were mostly directed against women's clinics, government buildings, black churches, abortion doctors and other approved targets. What makes them so angry? What makes them so vicious?
What makes them so cruel? They’re so rabid, so steeped in hate, so crazed by shivering, sputtering rage they can’t even think straight any

more.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t6qQSll7InQ

Actually, there were lots of terrorist attacks before Obama/Clinton. But they were mostly directed against women’s clinics, government buildings, black churches, abortion doctors and other approved targets.

]]> By: RL https://habitablezone.com/2016/08/13/i-will-never-forgive-obama-for-starting-the-war-in-afghanistan/#comment-37253 RL Tue, 16 Aug 2016 00:50:49 +0000 https://www.habitablezone.com/?p=59180#comment-37253 <a href="http://thehill.com/blogs/blog-briefing-room/news/291489-giuliani-no-successful-radical-islamic-attacks-in-8-years" rel="nofollow">I give up...</a> http://thehill.com/blogs/blog-briefing-room/news/291489-giuliani-no-successful-radical-islamic-attacks-in-8-years <blockquote>"Under those eight years, before Obama came along, we didn't have any successful radical Islamic terrorist attack in the United States," Giuliani said Monday ahead of a speech by Republican presidential nominee Donald Trump on foreign policy. "They all started when Clinton and Obama got into office."</blockquote> I give up…
http://thehill.com/blogs/blog-briefing-room/news/291489-giuliani-no-successful-radical-islamic-attacks-in-8-years

“Under those eight years, before Obama came along, we didn’t have any successful radical Islamic terrorist attack in the United States,” Giuliani said Monday ahead of a speech by Republican presidential nominee Donald Trump on foreign policy.

“They all started when Clinton and Obama got into office.”

]]> By: Robert https://habitablezone.com/2016/08/13/i-will-never-forgive-obama-for-starting-the-war-in-afghanistan/#comment-37251 Robert Mon, 15 Aug 2016 18:09:19 +0000 https://www.habitablezone.com/?p=59180#comment-37251 My thesis is that the approximate 14% is timeless--rabid racists who would be guaranteed to support any equally rabid (or apparently rabid) racist running for the Presidency, whether George Wallace or Donald Trump or David Duke. They're inherently authoritarians, because they're pursuing the fever dream that installing a racist Supreme Leader in the White House will magically wipe away a half century of social progress that has rendered their racism contemptible. Trump's clarion call is his attack on the rightwing fantasy of "political correctness". Your 40% comes from adding a notional 26% who have been converted by Fox "News" propaganda. This is where we get all definitional, because I would categorize those people as "persuadable", even if it took 25 years of relentless pounding to do it. Or maybe "malleable" is more accurate. And their motives are more debatable--economic issues are more likely to overshadow a nascent prejudice, though it's Trump's demagogic "genius" to frame the economic problems as racial ones, to unite those two threads of ignorance into a powerful electoral force. How about we're both right? I define the floor of Trump's basement of support at 14%, you define ground level at 40%. And FYI, I think the popular vote for Trump in November will be much closer to 40% than 14%. It's after the election is over that the 26% will melt away, leaving that 14% revenant even more bitter and angry. My thesis is that the approximate 14% is timeless–rabid racists who would be guaranteed to support any equally rabid (or apparently rabid) racist running for the Presidency, whether George Wallace or Donald Trump or David Duke. They’re inherently authoritarians, because they’re pursuing the fever dream that installing a racist Supreme Leader in the White House will magically wipe away a half century of social progress that has rendered their racism contemptible. Trump’s clarion call is his attack on the rightwing fantasy of “political correctness”.

Your 40% comes from adding a notional 26% who have been converted by Fox “News” propaganda. This is where we get all definitional, because I would categorize those people as “persuadable”, even if it took 25 years of relentless pounding to do it. Or maybe “malleable” is more accurate. And their motives are more debatable–economic issues are more likely to overshadow a nascent prejudice, though it’s Trump’s demagogic “genius” to frame the economic problems as racial ones, to unite those two threads of ignorance into a powerful electoral force.

How about we’re both right? I define the floor of Trump’s basement of support at 14%, you define ground level at 40%. And FYI, I think the popular vote for Trump in November will be much closer to 40% than 14%. It’s after the election is over that the 26% will melt away, leaving that 14% revenant even more bitter and angry.

]]> By: mcfly https://habitablezone.com/2016/08/13/i-will-never-forgive-obama-for-starting-the-war-in-afghanistan/#comment-37249 mcfly Mon, 15 Aug 2016 06:08:57 +0000 https://www.habitablezone.com/?p=59180#comment-37249 Are we living in what the ancient Chinese would refer to as "interesting times?" Are we living in what the ancient Chinese would refer to as “interesting times?”

]]> By: BuckGalaxy https://habitablezone.com/2016/08/13/i-will-never-forgive-obama-for-starting-the-war-in-afghanistan/#comment-37238 BuckGalaxy Sun, 14 Aug 2016 10:24:13 +0000 https://www.habitablezone.com/?p=59180#comment-37238 I find the current iteration of the GOP to be a significantly greater threat than radical islam, because of their potential access to the immense power of the US presidency while being so utterly detached from reality. Trumpism is a grave and immediate threat to the entire world political, economic and environmental future. I'm not being hyperbolic. I find the current iteration of the GOP to be a significantly greater threat than radical islam, because of their potential access to the immense power of the US presidency while being so utterly detached from reality. Trumpism is a grave and immediate threat to the entire world political, economic and environmental future. I’m not being hyperbolic.

]]> By: BuckGalaxy https://habitablezone.com/2016/08/13/i-will-never-forgive-obama-for-starting-the-war-in-afghanistan/#comment-37237 BuckGalaxy Sun, 14 Aug 2016 10:10:39 +0000 https://www.habitablezone.com/?p=59180#comment-37237 The cultish brainwashing of republican voters has been thorough. That and the completely unhinged hatred of Hillary Clinton (due to Fox News propaganda) ensures a 40% floor for Trump. The cultish brainwashing of republican voters has been thorough. That and the completely unhinged hatred of Hillary Clinton (due to Fox News propaganda) ensures a 40% floor for Trump.

]]> By: Robert https://habitablezone.com/2016/08/13/i-will-never-forgive-obama-for-starting-the-war-in-afghanistan/#comment-37236 Robert Sun, 14 Aug 2016 05:54:00 +0000 https://www.habitablezone.com/?p=59180#comment-37236 There are two kinds of spokespersons. One is the Obvious Authority, somebody with formal cred: "Former National Security Advisor", "Secretary of State", "Climate Scientist", "Possessor of a Three-Digit IQ". Somebody your left brain awards a high credibility rating. But there's another kind, the avatar. The shill. The judas goat. The spoke that some part of the audience relates to, and believes through sympathetic vibration. Most importantly, somebody they'll instinctively turn to for reassurance after they've been brainwashed by decades of rightwing propaganda into rejecting rationality and the elitist concepts of "knowledge" and "competence". Ever met a katrina in real life? (How long before Urban Dictionary adds "katrina" as a genderless term for whatever Katrina Pierson is?) 'Course you have. And they're just eatin' up that katrina-spew with spoons. It's comfort food to a certain part of the electorate. What part of the electorate? George Wallace got 14% of the popular vote in 1968, and I think that percentage has remained relatively constant over the years: That's Donald Trump's floor today. 14% of the electorate are katrinas. There are two kinds of spokespersons. One is the Obvious Authority, somebody with formal cred: “Former National Security Advisor”, “Secretary of State”, “Climate Scientist”, “Possessor of a Three-Digit IQ”. Somebody your left brain awards a high credibility rating.

But there’s another kind, the avatar. The shill. The judas goat. The spoke that some part of the audience relates to, and believes through sympathetic vibration. Most importantly, somebody they’ll instinctively turn to for reassurance after they’ve been brainwashed by decades of rightwing propaganda into rejecting rationality and the elitist concepts of “knowledge” and “competence”.

Ever met a katrina in real life? (How long before Urban Dictionary adds “katrina” as a genderless term for whatever Katrina Pierson is?) ‘Course you have. And they’re just eatin’ up that katrina-spew with spoons. It’s comfort food to a certain part of the electorate.

What part of the electorate? George Wallace got 14% of the popular vote in 1968, and I think that percentage has remained relatively constant over the years: That’s Donald Trump’s floor today. 14% of the electorate are katrinas.

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