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		<title>By: RL</title>
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		<dc:creator>RL</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 25 Aug 2016 21:57:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>What I take literally are the things he has LITERALLY done- the things I documented in the post and you did not read. As for what he says- given the way he changes what he claims from day to day, and hour to hour.... who the hell knows what he actually believes?
The only thing that is clear that what he says is completely estranged from reality and targeted to the racists, bigots and the uneducated...

He lies, and you know he is lying- you eat it up because they are lies you would like to be true. It is the same tired plot behind the rise of just about every dictator and wannabe tyrant. 

You can scream &#039;The immigrants are coming for us!&#039; all you want, but the fact is the barbarians at our gates are you and those like you.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>What I take literally are the things he has LITERALLY done- the things I documented in the post and you did not read. As for what he says- given the way he changes what he claims from day to day, and hour to hour&#8230;. who the hell knows what he actually believes?<br />
The only thing that is clear that what he says is completely estranged from reality and targeted to the racists, bigots and the uneducated&#8230;</p>
<p>He lies, and you know he is lying- you eat it up because they are lies you would like to be true. It is the same tired plot behind the rise of just about every dictator and wannabe tyrant. </p>
<p>You can scream &#8216;The immigrants are coming for us!&#8217; all you want, but the fact is the barbarians at our gates are you and those like you.</p>
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		<title>By: RobVG</title>
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		<dc:creator>RobVG</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 25 Aug 2016 16:01:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Because you insist on taking everything he says literally.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Because you insist on taking everything he says literally.</p>
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		<title>By: mcfly</title>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 25 Aug 2016 00:16:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>...you&#039;re *taunting* RL to continue kicking your ass?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8230;you&#8217;re *taunting* RL to continue kicking your ass?</p>
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		<title>By: RL</title>
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		<dc:creator>RL</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 25 Aug 2016 00:10:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Remember racist Cliven Bundy and his boys?

&lt;img src=&quot;https://s-media-cache-ak0.pinimg.com/736x/cf/01/c8/cf01c8bb3eec314b605dbf4fb316f194.jpg&quot; alt=&quot;&quot; /&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Remember racist Cliven Bundy and his boys?</p>
<p><img src="https://s-media-cache-ak0.pinimg.com/736x/cf/01/c8/cf01c8bb3eec314b605dbf4fb316f194.jpg" alt="" /></p>
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		<title>By: RL</title>
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		<dc:creator>RL</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 25 Aug 2016 00:06:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Because Merkel let in all those migrants and crime sky-rocketed- right?

&lt;a href=&quot;http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/statements/2016/may/11/donald-trump/donald-trump-says-germany-now-riddled-crime-thanks/&quot; target=&quot;_blank&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;WRONG!&lt;/a&gt;
&lt;blockquote&gt;
Germany&#039;s crime rate, particularly violent crime, is far lower than in the United States. The U.S. murder rate, for example, is nearly six times higher than Germany&#039;s, according to the most recent report by the United Nations Office on Drugs and Crime.

Government data show that despite a 440 percent increase in migrants, crime among that group only increased by 79 percent last year.

We found out that the German government has repeatedly studied the question of crime and migrants.

According to the Bundeskriminalamt, also known as the Federal Criminal Police Office or BKA, crimes by immigrants rose 79 percent in 2015.

But at the same time, the number of refugees in the country rose more than fivefold — by 440 percent.

In other words, the typical German was more likely to engage in crime than the average migrant.&lt;/blockquote&gt;

That doesn&#039;t really fit your narrative, does it...? But it DOES fit with the fact that Trump is catering to the white supremacists and &lt;a href=&quot;https://thinkprogress.org/donald-trumps-new-attack-on-hillary-echoes-white-supremacist-websites-70579c9d7e50#.ei4yx5dge&quot; target=&quot;_blank&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;speaking their language&lt;/a&gt;:


&lt;blockquote&gt;In fact, Trump’s new line about Clinton wanting to become “America’s Merkel” can be found almost verbatim in these white supremacist forums. “If Hillary takes power she will be to America what Merkel is to Germany,” a &lt;a href=&quot;https://www.stormfront.org/forum/t1147280/&quot; target=&quot;_blank&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;member of Stormfront wrote in March&lt;/a&gt;. “Hillary Clinton is America’s Angela Merkel,” wrote a commenter on American Renaissance in April.

Heidi Beirich, who investigates and tracks white nationalist groups for Southern Poverty Law Center, told ThinkProgress that Trump “seems to be parroting the hate sites” and speaking to their concerns.

“There is no question that the people who call him their ‘glorious leader’ know exactly what he’s talking about,” she said. “That is the audience that is concerned about this issue. Merkel is hated by Trump’s white supremacist supporters, and she and Clinton are seen in the same light.”

Less than a year ago, Trump had nothing but effusive praise for Merkel, calling her “fantastic” and “probably the greatest leader in the world today.” Weeks later, after Merkel announced that her country would accept hundreds of thousands of refugees, Trump changed his mind, slamming her for “ruining Germany” and calling her a “catastrophic leader.” This week, he claimed that “crime has risen to levels that no one thought would they would ever see” thanks to Merkel’s refugee policy. But official data shows no increase in crime over the last year, and the number of crimes committed by migrants has declined by more than 18 percent between January and March of this year.
Donald Trump’s campaign did not respond to ThinkProgress’ questions about the origin of his comments on Clinton and Merkel.&lt;/blockquote&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Because Merkel let in all those migrants and crime sky-rocketed- right?</p>
<p><a href="http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/statements/2016/may/11/donald-trump/donald-trump-says-germany-now-riddled-crime-thanks/" target="_blank" rel="nofollow">WRONG!</a></p>
<blockquote><p>
Germany&#8217;s crime rate, particularly violent crime, is far lower than in the United States. The U.S. murder rate, for example, is nearly six times higher than Germany&#8217;s, according to the most recent report by the United Nations Office on Drugs and Crime.</p>
<p>Government data show that despite a 440 percent increase in migrants, crime among that group only increased by 79 percent last year.</p>
<p>We found out that the German government has repeatedly studied the question of crime and migrants.</p>
<p>According to the Bundeskriminalamt, also known as the Federal Criminal Police Office or BKA, crimes by immigrants rose 79 percent in 2015.</p>
<p>But at the same time, the number of refugees in the country rose more than fivefold — by 440 percent.</p>
<p>In other words, the typical German was more likely to engage in crime than the average migrant.</p></blockquote>
<p>That doesn&#8217;t really fit your narrative, does it&#8230;? But it DOES fit with the fact that Trump is catering to the white supremacists and <a href="https://thinkprogress.org/donald-trumps-new-attack-on-hillary-echoes-white-supremacist-websites-70579c9d7e50#.ei4yx5dge" target="_blank" rel="nofollow">speaking their language</a>:</p>
<blockquote><p>In fact, Trump’s new line about Clinton wanting to become “America’s Merkel” can be found almost verbatim in these white supremacist forums. “If Hillary takes power she will be to America what Merkel is to Germany,” a <a href="https://www.stormfront.org/forum/t1147280/" target="_blank" rel="nofollow">member of Stormfront wrote in March</a>. “Hillary Clinton is America’s Angela Merkel,” wrote a commenter on American Renaissance in April.</p>
<p>Heidi Beirich, who investigates and tracks white nationalist groups for Southern Poverty Law Center, told ThinkProgress that Trump “seems to be parroting the hate sites” and speaking to their concerns.</p>
<p>“There is no question that the people who call him their ‘glorious leader’ know exactly what he’s talking about,” she said. “That is the audience that is concerned about this issue. Merkel is hated by Trump’s white supremacist supporters, and she and Clinton are seen in the same light.”</p>
<p>Less than a year ago, Trump had nothing but effusive praise for Merkel, calling her “fantastic” and “probably the greatest leader in the world today.” Weeks later, after Merkel announced that her country would accept hundreds of thousands of refugees, Trump changed his mind, slamming her for “ruining Germany” and calling her a “catastrophic leader.” This week, he claimed that “crime has risen to levels that no one thought would they would ever see” thanks to Merkel’s refugee policy. But official data shows no increase in crime over the last year, and the number of crimes committed by migrants has declined by more than 18 percent between January and March of this year.<br />
Donald Trump’s campaign did not respond to ThinkProgress’ questions about the origin of his comments on Clinton and Merkel.</p></blockquote>
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		<title>By: mcfly</title>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 24 Aug 2016 23:53:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>You want America to turn its back on its own principles, to engage in a cold--and possibly a hot--war with Islam because of a relative handful of alleged troublemakers, but are undisturbed by a host of potential domestic terrorists already in our midst. But then, as long as the weapons are in white, christian hands, you have nothing to worry about, right?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You want America to turn its back on its own principles, to engage in a cold&#8211;and possibly a hot&#8211;war with Islam because of a relative handful of alleged troublemakers, but are undisturbed by a host of potential domestic terrorists already in our midst. But then, as long as the weapons are in white, christian hands, you have nothing to worry about, right?</p>
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		<title>By: RL</title>
		<link>https://habitablezone.com/2016/08/23/the-emails-what-does-it-matter/#comment-37324</link>
		<dc:creator>RL</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 24 Aug 2016 23:22:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>My day-job keeps me rather busy- arguing with know-nothing nihilists comes in very low on my &#039;to-do&#039; list. I have only just gotten home and have more to do this evening.

As for your claim that &#039;Trump disavowed all white supremacists&#039; - even YOU aren&#039;t stupid enough to believe that, so I am mystified as to why you think we will believe it.

He only &#039;disavowed&#039; them after a lot of pressure, and he finally did it with a wink and a nod to them...

&lt;a href=&quot;http://www.reuters.com/article/us-usa-election-trump-extremists-idUSMTZSAPEC33G5QT8C&quot; target=&quot;_blank&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;He still has given them interviews with his son&lt;/a&gt;


&lt;a href=&quot;http://mediamatters.org/blog/2016/05/11/white-nationalist-party-director-trump-s-selection-racist-delegate-we-want-help-much-we-can/210366&quot; target=&quot;_blank&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Named a white supremacist as a delegate...&lt;/a&gt;


He continued to tweet racist memes created by neo-nazis:

&lt;img src=&quot;http://i2.cdn.turner.com/cnnnext/dam/assets/160702123222-trump-star-tweet-clinton-backlash-00001715-large-tease.jpg&quot; alt=&quot;&quot; /&gt;
He hired as his &#039;CEO&#039; Bannon- who runs Breitbart- even YOU have to admit that Breitbart caters to the racists in the GOP base...

&lt;a href=&quot;http://www.slate.com/articles/news_and_politics/politics/2016/08/trump_s_outreach_to_black_voters_is_a_dog_whistle_for_racists.html&quot; target=&quot;_blank&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Even Trumps insulting supposed &#039;Outreach&#039; to the African american voter is nothing more than a dog whistle to white supremacists...&lt;/a&gt;

&lt;a href=&quot;http://www.rawstory.com/2016/08/trump-advisor-maybe-backdrop-of-a-burning-car-would-reach-black-voters-better/ &quot; target=&quot;_blank&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;One of his team suggested the african american outreach would be better done with a burning car in the background...&lt;/a&gt;


So, Rob, try to understand- just because you have turned off your brain, doesn&#039;t mean everyone else has...

Win or lose- you have to know history will condemn those that supported this demagogue- why do you do it? It can&#039;t be that you believe he stands for anything- he has flipped on every issue many times. You cant believe that he is knowledgeable about world affairs- he has demonstrated that he knows less than nothing. It can&#039;t be that you believe he really cares about people like you- he has demonstrated daily he cares only for himself... so what is it Rob? Is it because he told you he had a big penis? Are you really that easy?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>My day-job keeps me rather busy- arguing with know-nothing nihilists comes in very low on my &#8216;to-do&#8217; list. I have only just gotten home and have more to do this evening.</p>
<p>As for your claim that &#8216;Trump disavowed all white supremacists&#8217; &#8211; even YOU aren&#8217;t stupid enough to believe that, so I am mystified as to why you think we will believe it.</p>
<p>He only &#8216;disavowed&#8217; them after a lot of pressure, and he finally did it with a wink and a nod to them&#8230;</p>
<p><a href="http://www.reuters.com/article/us-usa-election-trump-extremists-idUSMTZSAPEC33G5QT8C" target="_blank" rel="nofollow">He still has given them interviews with his son</a></p>
<p><a href="http://mediamatters.org/blog/2016/05/11/white-nationalist-party-director-trump-s-selection-racist-delegate-we-want-help-much-we-can/210366" target="_blank" rel="nofollow">Named a white supremacist as a delegate&#8230;</a></p>
<p>He continued to tweet racist memes created by neo-nazis:</p>
<p><img src="http://i2.cdn.turner.com/cnnnext/dam/assets/160702123222-trump-star-tweet-clinton-backlash-00001715-large-tease.jpg" alt="" /><br />
He hired as his &#8216;CEO&#8217; Bannon- who runs Breitbart- even YOU have to admit that Breitbart caters to the racists in the GOP base&#8230;</p>
<p><a href="http://www.slate.com/articles/news_and_politics/politics/2016/08/trump_s_outreach_to_black_voters_is_a_dog_whistle_for_racists.html" target="_blank" rel="nofollow">Even Trumps insulting supposed &#8216;Outreach&#8217; to the African american voter is nothing more than a dog whistle to white supremacists&#8230;</a></p>
<p><a href="http://www.rawstory.com/2016/08/trump-advisor-maybe-backdrop-of-a-burning-car-would-reach-black-voters-better/ " target="_blank" rel="nofollow">One of his team suggested the african american outreach would be better done with a burning car in the background&#8230;</a></p>
<p>So, Rob, try to understand- just because you have turned off your brain, doesn&#8217;t mean everyone else has&#8230;</p>
<p>Win or lose- you have to know history will condemn those that supported this demagogue- why do you do it? It can&#8217;t be that you believe he stands for anything- he has flipped on every issue many times. You cant believe that he is knowledgeable about world affairs- he has demonstrated that he knows less than nothing. It can&#8217;t be that you believe he really cares about people like you- he has demonstrated daily he cares only for himself&#8230; so what is it Rob? Is it because he told you he had a big penis? Are you really that easy?</p>
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		<title>By: RobVG</title>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 24 Aug 2016 22:16:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>No retort? </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>No retort?</p>
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		<title>By: RobVG</title>
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		<dc:creator>RobVG</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 24 Aug 2016 22:14:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Excellent sidestep. I&#039;m sure you make the others proud. n/t</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Excellent sidestep. I&#8217;m sure you make the others proud. n/t</p>
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		<title>By: Robert</title>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 24 Aug 2016 19:17:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The number of militia (&quot;patriot&quot;) groups is pretty well known, but their membership numbers can only be estimated. This seems like a solid estimate:
&lt;blockquote&gt;&quot;The number of Patriot groups, including armed militias, skyrocketed following the election of President Obama in 2008 – rising 813 percent, from 149 groups in 2008 to an all-time high of 1,360 in 2012. The number fell to 1,096 in 2013.&quot;

Source: Southern Poverty Law Center

I&#039;m going to guess that the average group has 100 members, about 40% are active.  That would put an answer to your question at about 100,000 people, about 40,000 active.  
&lt;/blockquote&gt;
https://www.quora.com/How-many-militia-members-are-there-in-the-US

Other estimates say militia membership ranges from 20-60,000. More recent estimates try to account for Trump&#039;s incitements, and claim there are more than 2,000 militia groups today--that Trump has doubled the &quot;patriot&quot; movement almost overnight.

It&#039;s reasonable to say that there are a thousand times as many potential domestic terrorists in America as there are potential Islamist terrorists in Germany. All those militia members, and the uncountable lone wolves, are pledged to take up arms against the government if it &quot;goes too far&quot;, according to thoroughly twisted ideas of &quot;too far&quot;.

Each one chomping at the bit to start shooting.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The number of militia (&#8220;patriot&#8221;) groups is pretty well known, but their membership numbers can only be estimated. This seems like a solid estimate:</p>
<blockquote><p>&#8220;The number of Patriot groups, including armed militias, skyrocketed following the election of President Obama in 2008 – rising 813 percent, from 149 groups in 2008 to an all-time high of 1,360 in 2012. The number fell to 1,096 in 2013.&#8221;</p>
<p>Source: Southern Poverty Law Center</p>
<p>I&#8217;m going to guess that the average group has 100 members, about 40% are active.  That would put an answer to your question at about 100,000 people, about 40,000 active.
</p></blockquote>
<p><a href="https://www.quora.com/How-many-militia-members-are-there-in-the-US" rel="nofollow">https://www.quora.com/How-many-militia-members-are-there-in-the-US</a></p>
<p>Other estimates say militia membership ranges from 20-60,000. More recent estimates try to account for Trump&#8217;s incitements, and claim there are more than 2,000 militia groups today&#8211;that Trump has doubled the &#8220;patriot&#8221; movement almost overnight.</p>
<p>It&#8217;s reasonable to say that there are a thousand times as many potential domestic terrorists in America as there are potential Islamist terrorists in Germany. All those militia members, and the uncountable lone wolves, are pledged to take up arms against the government if it &#8220;goes too far&#8221;, according to thoroughly twisted ideas of &#8220;too far&#8221;.</p>
<p>Each one chomping at the bit to start shooting.</p>
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