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	<title>Comments on: Yet another record broken</title>
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		<title>By: ER</title>
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		<dc:creator>ER</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 06 Sep 2016 00:05:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>They are based on models developed from multiple measurements from a variety of sensors, and the denialists are always questioning their assumptions, accuracy and consistency, not to mention the leftist political motives of the climatologists and government agencies that publish the data.

The ice extent data is measured optically with IR radiometers and the sensors see through clouds, so they work day and night regardless of the weather.

The data still has to be calibrated, but what matters is not the actual readings, but how those readings vary over time.  The dramatic drop in summer Arctic sea ice extent over the last 37 years
(about 40%), even when superimposed on the noise due to random variability and meteorological phenomena, is difficult to explain away with conspiracy theories.

http://nsidc.org/arcticseaicenews/files/2015/10/monthly_ice_09_NH-350x270.png

&lt;img src=&quot;http://nsidc.org/arcticseaicenews/files/2015/10/monthly_ice_09_NH-350x270.png&quot; alt=&quot;.&quot; /&gt;

Over the next few days, I will be publishing the August 1979-2016
graph, and early in October the successor to the above graphic, the September 1979-&lt;strong&gt;2016&lt;/strong&gt; figures from NSIDC.  I promise there will be no more polar updates from me after that.  The denialists have had every opportunity to present data in rebuttal and they have been conspicuous by their absence.

Still this new thickness data may come in handy in the future.  I expect it can be used as evidence in the trials.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>They are based on models developed from multiple measurements from a variety of sensors, and the denialists are always questioning their assumptions, accuracy and consistency, not to mention the leftist political motives of the climatologists and government agencies that publish the data.</p>
<p>The ice extent data is measured optically with IR radiometers and the sensors see through clouds, so they work day and night regardless of the weather.</p>
<p>The data still has to be calibrated, but what matters is not the actual readings, but how those readings vary over time.  The dramatic drop in summer Arctic sea ice extent over the last 37 years<br />
(about 40%), even when superimposed on the noise due to random variability and meteorological phenomena, is difficult to explain away with conspiracy theories.</p>
<p><a href="http://nsidc.org/arcticseaicenews/files/2015/10/monthly_ice_09_NH-350x270.png" rel="nofollow">http://nsidc.org/arcticseaicenews/files/2015/10/monthly_ice_09_NH-350&#215;270.png</a></p>
<p><img src="http://nsidc.org/arcticseaicenews/files/2015/10/monthly_ice_09_NH-350x270.png" alt="." /></p>
<p>Over the next few days, I will be publishing the August 1979-2016<br />
graph, and early in October the successor to the above graphic, the September 1979-<strong>2016</strong> figures from NSIDC.  I promise there will be no more polar updates from me after that.  The denialists have had every opportunity to present data in rebuttal and they have been conspicuous by their absence.</p>
<p>Still this new thickness data may come in handy in the future.  I expect it can be used as evidence in the trials.</p>
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		<title>By: RL</title>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 05 Sep 2016 22:49:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;a href=&quot;http://www.nasa.gov/feature/goddard/2016/nasa-monitors-the-new-normal-of-sea-ice&quot; target=&quot;_blank&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;http://www.nasa.gov/feature/goddard/2016/nasa-monitors-the-new-normal-of-sea-ice&lt;/a&gt;



&lt;blockquote&gt;&quot;We have a good handle on the sea ice area change,&quot; said Thorsten Markus, Goddard’s cryosphere lab chief. &quot;We have very limited knowledge how thick it is.&quot;

Research vessels or submarines can measure ice thickness directly, and some airborne instruments have taken readings that can be used to calculate thickness. But satellites haven’t been able to provide a complete look at sea ice thickness in particular during melting conditions, Markus said. The radar instruments that penetrate the snow during winter to measure thickness don’t work once you add in the salty water of the melting sea ice, since the salinity interferes with the radar.

The Ice, Cloud and land Elevation Satellite-2, or ICESat-2, will use lasers to try to get more complete answers of sea ice thickness. The satellite, slated to launch by 2018, will use a laser altimeter to measure the heights of Earth’s surface.

In the Arctic, it will measure the elevation of the ice floes, compared to the water level. However, only about one-tenth of sea ice is above the water surface; the other nine-tenths lie below.

To estimate the entire thickness of the ice floe, researchers will need to go beyond the above-water height measurements, and perform calculations to account for factors like the snow on top of the ice and the densities of the frozen layers. Scientists are eager to see the measurements turned into data on sea ice thickness, Markus said.&lt;/blockquote&gt;

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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><a href="http://www.nasa.gov/feature/goddard/2016/nasa-monitors-the-new-normal-of-sea-ice" target="_blank" rel="nofollow">http://www.nasa.gov/feature/goddard/2016/nasa-monitors-the-new-normal-of-sea-ice</a></p>
<blockquote><p>&#8220;We have a good handle on the sea ice area change,&#8221; said Thorsten Markus, Goddard’s cryosphere lab chief. &#8220;We have very limited knowledge how thick it is.&#8221;</p>
<p>Research vessels or submarines can measure ice thickness directly, and some airborne instruments have taken readings that can be used to calculate thickness. But satellites haven’t been able to provide a complete look at sea ice thickness in particular during melting conditions, Markus said. The radar instruments that penetrate the snow during winter to measure thickness don’t work once you add in the salty water of the melting sea ice, since the salinity interferes with the radar.</p>
<p>The Ice, Cloud and land Elevation Satellite-2, or ICESat-2, will use lasers to try to get more complete answers of sea ice thickness. The satellite, slated to launch by 2018, will use a laser altimeter to measure the heights of Earth’s surface.</p>
<p>In the Arctic, it will measure the elevation of the ice floes, compared to the water level. However, only about one-tenth of sea ice is above the water surface; the other nine-tenths lie below.</p>
<p>To estimate the entire thickness of the ice floe, researchers will need to go beyond the above-water height measurements, and perform calculations to account for factors like the snow on top of the ice and the densities of the frozen layers. Scientists are eager to see the measurements turned into data on sea ice thickness, Markus said.</p></blockquote>
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