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		<title>By: hank</title>
		<link>https://habitablezone.com/2017/01/29/the-wall-in-terms-so-simple-even-rob-might-understand-it/#comment-38181</link>
		<dc:creator>hank</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 30 Jan 2017 14:59:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>But those social services we provide illegals make it easier and cheaper for them to stay here, which allows US employers to pay them even less. They don&#039;t even have to pay their chicanos enough to go back to Mexico after the harvest ends.  The taxpayer will pay for their welfare so they&#039;ll be here and ready to go come plantin&#039; time. So in a way, this is an indirect subsidy the US taxpayer pays to US businesses so they can more efficiently, illegally and profitably exploit foreign labor. 

We look the other way and let these foreigners break the laws because it is profitable for US Capitalists, and we get cheap goods out of it as a way to bribe US consumers and retailers (think Walmart) into looking the other way. Believe me, I am as outraged and upset by illegal immigration as you are.  but in my post above I actually outlined a plan that would work to stop it; and would do so relatively cheaply.

None of this would be happening if it weren&#039;t for business and the political party that panders to it, and the useful idiots who are conned into supporting their own oppressors. All this sanctimonious indignation about &quot;following the law&quot;, amnesty, rapists and drugs, is just a smokescreen to get people like you to look the other way.  Be honest with yourself, do you really think that Trump is going to stop illegal immigration?  Do you think he even wants to? Do you think those who employ illegals want it to stop?  These guys invented illegal immigration, they&#039;re not about to stop it.  They just want you to think they&#039;re trying. 

The illegals are allowed, encouraged, even paid to flaunt the law by your entrepreneurial heroes and the political party that protects their interests.  And you, a victim of this outrage, have been conned into going after your fellow victims instead of the criminals responsible for the crime.  The illegals are here because they were INVITED. And they weren&#039;t invited by Kollege Perfessers, or the Lamestream Media, or Hollywood Elitists, or Washington Liberals. Get that through your head. 

Why is it so hard for you to understand this? Can&#039;t you see how you are being swindled? And can&#039;t you see how American racism, patriotism and economic anxiety is being manipulated to perpetuate the swindle?  

Look at the history. This has happened before, many times, with variations, and the villains were always the same guys. In ancient Rome, the economy was wrecked when the vast numbers of slaves brought in by the legions destroyed the small Roman farmer, the independent craftsman and local merchant.  Not even free manual laborers could compete against slaves who worked for solely the cost of their upkeep.  A small group of rich Romans got much richer, the rest of the country was racked by unemployment, social and civil unrest, and eventually, civil war.  BUT IT WASN&#039;T THE SLAVES&#039; FAULT. It was the fault of the &lt;em&gt;slave owners&lt;/em&gt;. The bigots in Dixie tell the blacks to &quot;Go back to Africa.&quot;, but they neglect to mention they were the ones who brought them here in the first place.

There is nothing wrong with my memory.  And I do care. I care enough to think beyond my prejudices to see what&#039;s really going on, who is really suffering from this scam, and who&#039;s really getting rich off it.  Once the profit motive is removed from illegal immigration, it will stop immediately. No business can survive once it starts losing money. Its the only logic those bastards understand.

Think, Rob, Think.  There&#039;s still hope for you. And there is still time for the rest of us. But they are both running out.  Refer to Book Two.  Trump has had his Triumph.  Now he&#039;s working on his Consolidation.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>But those social services we provide illegals make it easier and cheaper for them to stay here, which allows US employers to pay them even less. They don&#8217;t even have to pay their chicanos enough to go back to Mexico after the harvest ends.  The taxpayer will pay for their welfare so they&#8217;ll be here and ready to go come plantin&#8217; time. So in a way, this is an indirect subsidy the US taxpayer pays to US businesses so they can more efficiently, illegally and profitably exploit foreign labor. </p>
<p>We look the other way and let these foreigners break the laws because it is profitable for US Capitalists, and we get cheap goods out of it as a way to bribe US consumers and retailers (think Walmart) into looking the other way. Believe me, I am as outraged and upset by illegal immigration as you are.  but in my post above I actually outlined a plan that would work to stop it; and would do so relatively cheaply.</p>
<p>None of this would be happening if it weren&#8217;t for business and the political party that panders to it, and the useful idiots who are conned into supporting their own oppressors. All this sanctimonious indignation about &#8220;following the law&#8221;, amnesty, rapists and drugs, is just a smokescreen to get people like you to look the other way.  Be honest with yourself, do you really think that Trump is going to stop illegal immigration?  Do you think he even wants to? Do you think those who employ illegals want it to stop?  These guys invented illegal immigration, they&#8217;re not about to stop it.  They just want you to think they&#8217;re trying. </p>
<p>The illegals are allowed, encouraged, even paid to flaunt the law by your entrepreneurial heroes and the political party that protects their interests.  And you, a victim of this outrage, have been conned into going after your fellow victims instead of the criminals responsible for the crime.  The illegals are here because they were INVITED. And they weren&#8217;t invited by Kollege Perfessers, or the Lamestream Media, or Hollywood Elitists, or Washington Liberals. Get that through your head. </p>
<p>Why is it so hard for you to understand this? Can&#8217;t you see how you are being swindled? And can&#8217;t you see how American racism, patriotism and economic anxiety is being manipulated to perpetuate the swindle?  </p>
<p>Look at the history. This has happened before, many times, with variations, and the villains were always the same guys. In ancient Rome, the economy was wrecked when the vast numbers of slaves brought in by the legions destroyed the small Roman farmer, the independent craftsman and local merchant.  Not even free manual laborers could compete against slaves who worked for solely the cost of their upkeep.  A small group of rich Romans got much richer, the rest of the country was racked by unemployment, social and civil unrest, and eventually, civil war.  BUT IT WASN&#8217;T THE SLAVES&#8217; FAULT. It was the fault of the <em>slave owners</em>. The bigots in Dixie tell the blacks to &#8220;Go back to Africa.&#8221;, but they neglect to mention they were the ones who brought them here in the first place.</p>
<p>There is nothing wrong with my memory.  And I do care. I care enough to think beyond my prejudices to see what&#8217;s really going on, who is really suffering from this scam, and who&#8217;s really getting rich off it.  Once the profit motive is removed from illegal immigration, it will stop immediately. No business can survive once it starts losing money. Its the only logic those bastards understand.</p>
<p>Think, Rob, Think.  There&#8217;s still hope for you. And there is still time for the rest of us. But they are both running out.  Refer to Book Two.  Trump has had his Triumph.  Now he&#8217;s working on his Consolidation.</p>
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		<title>By: RL</title>
		<link>https://habitablezone.com/2017/01/29/the-wall-in-terms-so-simple-even-rob-might-understand-it/#comment-38179</link>
		<dc:creator>RL</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 30 Jan 2017 12:57:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It was explained to you earlier.

I guess hypocrisy is something you accept from your &#039;strong-man&#039; president...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It was explained to you earlier.</p>
<p>I guess hypocrisy is something you accept from your &#8216;strong-man&#8217; president&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: mcfly</title>
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		<dc:creator>mcfly</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 30 Jan 2017 06:08:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>RL must have forgotten that your new favorite source of &quot;truth&quot; is infowars</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>RL must have forgotten that your new favorite source of &#8220;truth&#8221; is infowars</p>
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		<title>By: RobVG</title>
		<link>https://habitablezone.com/2017/01/29/the-wall-in-terms-so-simple-even-rob-might-understand-it/#comment-38177</link>
		<dc:creator>RobVG</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 30 Jan 2017 04:51:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>She worked in NY. It&#039;s a sanctuary city....</description>
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		<title>By: RL</title>
		<link>https://habitablezone.com/2017/01/29/the-wall-in-terms-so-simple-even-rob-might-understand-it/#comment-38175</link>
		<dc:creator>RL</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 30 Jan 2017 04:39:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>But I knew fox news would use small words you would be able to read...

Plenty of other reporting on this if you care to look at it.

Trump vowed he would provide proof that the reports were wrong, and then never did.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>But I knew fox news would use small words you would be able to read&#8230;</p>
<p>Plenty of other reporting on this if you care to look at it.</p>
<p>Trump vowed he would provide proof that the reports were wrong, and then never did.</p>
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		<title>By: RobVG</title>
		<link>https://habitablezone.com/2017/01/29/the-wall-in-terms-so-simple-even-rob-might-understand-it/#comment-38174</link>
		<dc:creator>RobVG</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 30 Jan 2017 04:30:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>You posted something from fox news!? Ha, ha,  hahahaha... n/t</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You posted something from fox news!? Ha, ha,  hahahaha&#8230; n/t</p>
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		<title>By: RobVG</title>
		<link>https://habitablezone.com/2017/01/29/the-wall-in-terms-so-simple-even-rob-might-understand-it/#comment-38173</link>
		<dc:creator>RobVG</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 30 Jan 2017 04:07:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Your memory is either selective, faulty or you don&#039;t care.

By all means crack down on companies exploiting illegals. You, I, RL and everyone have been enjoying cheap consumer goods brought to us by what amounts to world (well a good part of it) slavery and we are the slave owners. 

But in no way should immigrants be allowed to come to this country without following the laws that are in place governing their entrance.

They should not expect Americans to pay for free medical care, food assistance and supplemental income.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Your memory is either selective, faulty or you don&#8217;t care.</p>
<p>By all means crack down on companies exploiting illegals. You, I, RL and everyone have been enjoying cheap consumer goods brought to us by what amounts to world (well a good part of it) slavery and we are the slave owners. </p>
<p>But in no way should immigrants be allowed to come to this country without following the laws that are in place governing their entrance.</p>
<p>They should not expect Americans to pay for free medical care, food assistance and supplemental income.</p>
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		<title>By: RL</title>
		<link>https://habitablezone.com/2017/01/29/the-wall-in-terms-so-simple-even-rob-might-understand-it/#comment-38163</link>
		<dc:creator>RL</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 29 Jan 2017 19:57:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;a href=&quot;http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2016/11/05/trumps-wife-worked-illegally-during-her-first-weeks-in-us-documents-show.html&quot; target=&quot;_blank&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Proof again that illegal immigrants only take jobs Americans feel are beneath them...&lt;/a&gt;

http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2016/11/05/trumps-wife-worked-illegally-during-her-first-weeks-in-us-documents-show.html</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><a href="http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2016/11/05/trumps-wife-worked-illegally-during-her-first-weeks-in-us-documents-show.html" target="_blank" rel="nofollow">Proof again that illegal immigrants only take jobs Americans feel are beneath them&#8230;</a></p>
<p><a href="http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2016/11/05/trumps-wife-worked-illegally-during-her-first-weeks-in-us-documents-show.html" rel="nofollow">http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2016/11/05/trumps-wife-worked-illegally-during-her-first-weeks-in-us-documents-show.html</a></p>
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		<title>By: RL</title>
		<link>https://habitablezone.com/2017/01/29/the-wall-in-terms-so-simple-even-rob-might-understand-it/#comment-38162</link>
		<dc:creator>RL</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 29 Jan 2017 19:25:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Yours were more well-written... as usual....</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yours were more well-written&#8230; as usual&#8230;.</p>
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		<title>By: RL</title>
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		<dc:creator>RL</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 29 Jan 2017 19:24:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>That does not mean it makes sense to spend 10&#039;s of  billions of dollars on a wall that will only make things worse...

Those numbers you give are from Federation for American Immigration Reform (FAIR) an anti-immigration &#039;think-tank&#039;... there is more to the issue...

According to the California department of food and agriculture, agriculture is a 43 billion dollar industry that generates 100 billion in related economic activity... now, what would happen to all that if you deported all those illegal immigrants?

Personally I think the the solution is to penalize the businesses that exploit illegal immigrants- force them to pay them enough that Americans would find it worthwhile to work those hard jobs... but that will never happen. Instead you find it easier and more satisfying to vilify those human beings as parasites... to blame them for your own inadequacies... &quot;They are the reason I don&#039;t earn more&quot; etc...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>That does not mean it makes sense to spend 10&#8242;s of  billions of dollars on a wall that will only make things worse&#8230;</p>
<p>Those numbers you give are from Federation for American Immigration Reform (FAIR) an anti-immigration &#8216;think-tank&#8217;&#8230; there is more to the issue&#8230;</p>
<p>According to the California department of food and agriculture, agriculture is a 43 billion dollar industry that generates 100 billion in related economic activity&#8230; now, what would happen to all that if you deported all those illegal immigrants?</p>
<p>Personally I think the the solution is to penalize the businesses that exploit illegal immigrants- force them to pay them enough that Americans would find it worthwhile to work those hard jobs&#8230; but that will never happen. Instead you find it easier and more satisfying to vilify those human beings as parasites&#8230; to blame them for your own inadequacies&#8230; &#8220;They are the reason I don&#8217;t earn more&#8221; etc&#8230;</p>
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