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		<title>By: hank</title>
		<link>https://habitablezone.com/2017/02/15/going-with-the-floe-out-like-flynn/#comment-38376</link>
		<dc:creator>hank</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 17 Feb 2017 00:50:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I really do believe they have come to believe that anyone who disagrees with themselves is so evil and so corrupt that any kind of tactic is acceptable as long as they win the argument.

Even when they KNOW they are wrong, dead wrong, they say to themselves,

&lt;em&gt; &quot;We have to do whatever it takes to cover this up because if the other side ever gets to use this against us, horrible things will happen to the world.&quot;&lt;/em&gt;

Or, perhaps to use an example; 

&lt;em&gt;&quot;Oh, Oh.  It&#039;s starting to look like they&#039;re right about AGW after all.  We need to do whatever it takes to cover that up or no one will believe anything we say about anything any more.&quot;  
&lt;/em&gt;

For &quot;AGW&quot;, you can substitute &quot;Iraq&quot;, &quot;Benghazi&quot;, &quot;Birther&quot;, &quot;Obamacare&quot; or &quot;Trump&quot;.  As far as they are concerned, Libs are wrong because they are Libs, not the other way round.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I really do believe they have come to believe that anyone who disagrees with themselves is so evil and so corrupt that any kind of tactic is acceptable as long as they win the argument.</p>
<p>Even when they KNOW they are wrong, dead wrong, they say to themselves,</p>
<p><em> &#8220;We have to do whatever it takes to cover this up because if the other side ever gets to use this against us, horrible things will happen to the world.&#8221;</em></p>
<p>Or, perhaps to use an example; </p>
<p><em>&#8220;Oh, Oh.  It&#8217;s starting to look like they&#8217;re right about AGW after all.  We need to do whatever it takes to cover that up or no one will believe anything we say about anything any more.&#8221;<br />
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<p>For &#8220;AGW&#8221;, you can substitute &#8220;Iraq&#8221;, &#8220;Benghazi&#8221;, &#8220;Birther&#8221;, &#8220;Obamacare&#8221; or &#8220;Trump&#8221;.  As far as they are concerned, Libs are wrong because they are Libs, not the other way round.</p>
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		<title>By: mcfly</title>
		<link>https://habitablezone.com/2017/02/15/going-with-the-floe-out-like-flynn/#comment-38371</link>
		<dc:creator>mcfly</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 16 Feb 2017 16:55:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>To deliberately misrepresent one&#039;s own &quot;evidence&quot; is a fast-track to loss of credibility, of course, but I&#039;m not sure conservatives are concerned about such trivialities anymore. All that matters is &quot;the win.&quot;

It&#039;s makes it very difficult to extend trust to conservatives--which is a crappy situation. It&#039;s depressing to come to the realization that the best one can hope for from the right is artful deception.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>To deliberately misrepresent one&#8217;s own &#8220;evidence&#8221; is a fast-track to loss of credibility, of course, but I&#8217;m not sure conservatives are concerned about such trivialities anymore. All that matters is &#8220;the win.&#8221;</p>
<p>It&#8217;s makes it very difficult to extend trust to conservatives&#8211;which is a crappy situation. It&#8217;s depressing to come to the realization that the best one can hope for from the right is artful deception.</p>
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		<title>By: hank</title>
		<link>https://habitablezone.com/2017/02/15/going-with-the-floe-out-like-flynn/#comment-38369</link>
		<dc:creator>hank</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 16 Feb 2017 14:36:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>And then count on nobody actually taking the time to look at it critically.

Another old trick that has been tried at least one time too often:

&quot;We&#039;ve already covered all that.&quot;

Translation: I didn&#039;t successfully refute it then, and I still can&#039;t refute it now.

You&#039;re starting to get pretty good at this, McFly!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>And then count on nobody actually taking the time to look at it critically.</p>
<p>Another old trick that has been tried at least one time too often:</p>
<p>&#8220;We&#8217;ve already covered all that.&#8221;</p>
<p>Translation: I didn&#8217;t successfully refute it then, and I still can&#8217;t refute it now.</p>
<p>You&#8217;re starting to get pretty good at this, McFly!</p>
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		<title>By: mcfly</title>
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		<dc:creator>mcfly</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 16 Feb 2017 05:25:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Did you actually *read* the follow-up, tb?

If you did, then you either didn&#039;t understand it, or you&#039;re lying about it with your so-called rough translation.

The message of the follow-up isn&#039;t &quot;never mind,&quot; it&#039;s  &quot;more investigation is required.&quot;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Did you actually *read* the follow-up, tb?</p>
<p>If you did, then you either didn&#8217;t understand it, or you&#8217;re lying about it with your so-called rough translation.</p>
<p>The message of the follow-up isn&#8217;t &#8220;never mind,&#8221; it&#8217;s  &#8220;more investigation is required.&#8221;</p>
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		<title>By: RL</title>
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		<dc:creator>RL</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 16 Feb 2017 04:22:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Your &#039;gotcha&#039; is to point out that they weren&#039;t as clever as some journalists gave them credit for?

Bravo...

You got us there... they are stupid and evil, not brilliant and evil... you sure won that round!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Your &#8216;gotcha&#8217; is to point out that they weren&#8217;t as clever as some journalists gave them credit for?</p>
<p>Bravo&#8230;</p>
<p>You got us there&#8230; they are stupid and evil, not brilliant and evil&#8230; you sure won that round!</p>
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		<title>By: TB</title>
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		<dc:creator>TB</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 16 Feb 2017 04:15:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;The followup is listed at the end of the article.&lt;/p&gt;

The same author wrote it, and roughly translated, it says &quot;never mind.&quot; It&#039;s been debunked in other places, too.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The followup is listed at the end of the article.</p>
<p>The same author wrote it, and roughly translated, it says &#8220;never mind.&#8221; It&#8217;s been debunked in other places, too.</p>
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		<title>By: hank</title>
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		<dc:creator>hank</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 16 Feb 2017 01:23:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>They&#039;ve managed to convince enough people to vote against their own self-interest by appealing to fear, ignorance, and hate.  Apathy, voter suppression, redistricting, gerrymandering and the electoral college did the rest. 

All that really matters to them is

1) Taxes (PARTICULARLY capital gains and corporate) go down or are repealed.

2) Health, safety, worker and environmental regulations on business are pulled waaaaay back or repealed.

3) Social services are shutdown and the New Deal rolled back.

4) Government worker unions are crushed (they&#039;ve already succeeded with the others).

5) Unemployment is kept as high as possible, which will keep salaries down.

6) Illegal immigration is kept high enough that cheap and docile labor is always available for agriculture and      service jobs. The Wall won&#039;t stop anybody, they&#039;ll come in planes, trains and automobiles.

7) Inflation takes off (So they can borrow today&#039;s dollars and pay back in tomorrow&#039;s), while the value of Capital (property, tooling, facilities, commodities and equities)
rises automatically with inflation.

Of course, they&#039;re not publicizing 5), 6) and 7), but that&#039;s the inevitable result of their other policies.
As for whatever damage results from these policies, they simply don&#039;t care.  They&#039;ll have the financial resources to ride them out comfortably.  The rest of us won&#039;t.

Trump is a problem, though.  His incompetence is so total and obvious it can not be disguised or ignored much longer.  His usefulness is quickly coming to an end.  You will soon see him removed, by his own party, and a more traditional Republican like Pence, one with traditional Republican goals, will take his place.

That&#039;s what really worries me.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>They&#8217;ve managed to convince enough people to vote against their own self-interest by appealing to fear, ignorance, and hate.  Apathy, voter suppression, redistricting, gerrymandering and the electoral college did the rest. </p>
<p>All that really matters to them is</p>
<p>1) Taxes (PARTICULARLY capital gains and corporate) go down or are repealed.</p>
<p>2) Health, safety, worker and environmental regulations on business are pulled waaaaay back or repealed.</p>
<p>3) Social services are shutdown and the New Deal rolled back.</p>
<p>4) Government worker unions are crushed (they&#8217;ve already succeeded with the others).</p>
<p>5) Unemployment is kept as high as possible, which will keep salaries down.</p>
<p>6) Illegal immigration is kept high enough that cheap and docile labor is always available for agriculture and      service jobs. The Wall won&#8217;t stop anybody, they&#8217;ll come in planes, trains and automobiles.</p>
<p>7) Inflation takes off (So they can borrow today&#8217;s dollars and pay back in tomorrow&#8217;s), while the value of Capital (property, tooling, facilities, commodities and equities)<br />
rises automatically with inflation.</p>
<p>Of course, they&#8217;re not publicizing 5), 6) and 7), but that&#8217;s the inevitable result of their other policies.<br />
As for whatever damage results from these policies, they simply don&#8217;t care.  They&#8217;ll have the financial resources to ride them out comfortably.  The rest of us won&#8217;t.</p>
<p>Trump is a problem, though.  His incompetence is so total and obvious it can not be disguised or ignored much longer.  His usefulness is quickly coming to an end.  You will soon see him removed, by his own party, and a more traditional Republican like Pence, one with traditional Republican goals, will take his place.</p>
<p>That&#8217;s what really worries me.</p>
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		<title>By: podrock</title>
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		<dc:creator>podrock</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 16 Feb 2017 00:59:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;I was thinking it&#039;d be a good McGuffin for Hank&#039;s novel.&lt;/p&gt;

Yes, I&#039;ve read the follow ups. 

Also reading how the Administration is using RNC e-mail accounts and unsecured cell phones. All the best reading.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I was thinking it&#8217;d be a good McGuffin for Hank&#8217;s novel.</p>
<p>Yes, I&#8217;ve read the follow ups. </p>
<p>Also reading how the Administration is using RNC e-mail accounts and unsecured cell phones. All the best reading.</p>
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		<title>By: RL</title>
		<link>https://habitablezone.com/2017/02/15/going-with-the-floe-out-like-flynn/#comment-38360</link>
		<dc:creator>RL</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 16 Feb 2017 00:55:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This is the result...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This is the result&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: RL</title>
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		<dc:creator>RL</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 16 Feb 2017 00:42:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Links &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.cnn.com/2017/02/10/politics/russia-dossier-update/&quot; target=&quot;_blank&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Here&lt;/a&gt; and &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.inquisitr.com/3935723/donald-trump-russia-golden-shower-pee-tape-vladimir-putin-rosneft-oil-steele-dossier-bribe/&quot; target=&quot;_blank&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Here&lt;/a&gt;

TB is shy, and doesn&#039;t want to say too much... of course he ends up coming across as unjustifiably smug, or strategically vague, but it isn&#039;t intentional I am sure...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Links <a href="http://www.cnn.com/2017/02/10/politics/russia-dossier-update/" target="_blank" rel="nofollow">Here</a> and <a href="http://www.inquisitr.com/3935723/donald-trump-russia-golden-shower-pee-tape-vladimir-putin-rosneft-oil-steele-dossier-bribe/" target="_blank" rel="nofollow">Here</a></p>
<p>TB is shy, and doesn&#8217;t want to say too much&#8230; of course he ends up coming across as unjustifiably smug, or strategically vague, but it isn&#8217;t intentional I am sure&#8230;</p>
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