Comments on: March Madness – Bracket THIS, sports boy. https://habitablezone.com/2017/03/18/march-madness-bracket-this-sports-boy/ Tue, 07 Apr 2026 19:18:10 -0700 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.3.1 By: hank https://habitablezone.com/2017/03/18/march-madness-bracket-this-sports-boy/#comment-38645 hank Mon, 20 Mar 2017 02:06:37 +0000 https://www.habitablezone.com/?p=62831#comment-38645 See the second chart in my post that opened this thread. It went way beyond the trend that was established up to then, or since. It was a perfect storm of precipitation, warm weather, currents, cyclones, and cloud cover. I believe this year will surpass it, or come real close. It fits in with the pattern; the summer low ice record is broken every five years on the average. The summer high ice record has never been broken, it was set when we started taking measurements in 1979. The trend is it just keeps dropping. But if 2017 doesn't blow the 2012 record away, no matter how close it comes, the denialists will be talking about an ice "recovery", how the Arctic is "making a comeback". That's what they said in 2013. If you just read what they say and the numbers they select to print and don't actually look at the data curves, it all sounds so reasonable, so carefully thought out, so scientific, so <em>Conservative.</em> Don't take my word for it. Go to the interactive yearly comparison graphic http://nsidc.org/arcticseaicenews/charctic-interactive-sea-ice-graph/ and plug in the curves for the last few years and see for yourself. For a look at alternative data, check the similar Japanese Space Agency graphic at https://ads.nipr.ac.jp/vishop/#/extent See the second chart in my post that opened this thread.

It went way beyond the trend that was established up to then, or since. It was a perfect storm of precipitation, warm weather, currents, cyclones, and cloud cover. I believe this year will surpass it, or come real close. It fits in with the pattern; the summer low ice record is broken every five years on the average. The summer high ice record has never been
broken, it was set when we started taking measurements in 1979. The trend is it just keeps dropping.

But if 2017 doesn’t blow the 2012 record away, no matter how close it comes, the denialists will be talking about an ice “recovery”, how the Arctic is “making a comeback”. That’s what they said in 2013.
If you just read what they say and the numbers they select to print and don’t actually look at the data curves, it all sounds so reasonable, so carefully thought out, so scientific, so Conservative.

Don’t take my word for it. Go to the interactive yearly comparison graphic

http://nsidc.org/arcticseaicenews/charctic-interactive-sea-ice-graph/

and plug in the curves for the last few years and see for yourself.

For a look at alternative data, check the similar Japanese Space Agency graphic at

https://ads.nipr.ac.jp/vishop/#/extent

]]> By: RL https://habitablezone.com/2017/03/18/march-madness-bracket-this-sports-boy/#comment-38643 RL Sun, 19 Mar 2017 23:33:44 +0000 https://www.habitablezone.com/?p=62831#comment-38643 We are likely learning that the models the merchants of doubt called 'alarmist' were, in actuality, far too rosy... We are likely learning that the models the merchants of doubt called ‘alarmist’ were, in actuality, far too rosy…

]]> By: hank https://habitablezone.com/2017/03/18/march-madness-bracket-this-sports-boy/#comment-38642 hank Sun, 19 Mar 2017 17:32:20 +0000 https://www.habitablezone.com/?p=62831#comment-38642 <em>Folks, I apologize for flogging a dead horse like this, especially since I know most of you probably already agree with me as to AGW issues. But I feel it is necessary. The denialist community has shown itself to be so ingenious and shameless at cherry picking, moving the goalposts, changing the subject, distraction, selectively misinterpreting numerical data and at taking facts out of context that I feel I have little choice. This is the only way I can counteract their partisan propaganda with actual numerical measurements presented in an unambiguous graphical fashion, and to prevent them from creeping back onto this forum peddling their carefully crafted and totally bogus arguments. I believe I have been successful at meeting the latter goal--they don't come here any more. The former I will leave for you to judge.</em> This graphic compares the hump of the Sea Ice Extent curve for the winter of 2017 with the individual maxima of the previous quarter century. The location of each black dot indicates the amount of ice (y-axis) on <em>that</em> maximum, and on which day of the year (x-axis)the maximum occurred. http://neven1.typepad.com/.a/6a0133f03a1e37970b01b7c8e1e408970b-pi <img src="http://neven1.typepad.com/.a/6a0133f03a1e37970b01b7c8e1e408970b-pi" alt="." /> Folks, I apologize for flogging a dead horse like this, especially since I know most of you probably already agree with me as to AGW issues. But I feel it is necessary. The denialist community has shown itself to be so ingenious and shameless at cherry picking, moving the goalposts, changing the subject, distraction, selectively misinterpreting numerical data and at taking facts out of context that I feel I have little choice.

This is the only way I can counteract their partisan propaganda with actual numerical measurements presented in an unambiguous graphical fashion, and to prevent them from creeping back onto this forum peddling their carefully crafted and totally bogus arguments. I believe I have been successful at meeting the latter goal–they don’t come here any more. The former I will leave for you to judge.

This graphic compares the hump of the Sea Ice Extent curve for the winter of 2017 with the individual maxima of the previous quarter century. The location of each black dot indicates the amount of ice (y-axis) on that maximum, and on which day of the year (x-axis)the maximum occurred.

http://neven1.typepad.com/.a/6a0133f03a1e37970b01b7c8e1e408970b-pi

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