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		<title>By: Robert</title>
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		<dc:creator>Robert</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 18 Jul 2017 04:37:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Aiiiiieeeee!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Aiiiiieeeee!</p>
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		<title>By: RL</title>
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		<dc:creator>RL</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 18 Jul 2017 04:33:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>..for the construction of a new level to house these petty little bastards, and the vile creatures that elected them to office...

It won&#039;t be easy- even the worst demons shout &quot;Not In My Back Yard&#039; at the thought of sharing space with these alternative fact red hat losers... they are fighting the construction fang and claw- and they have no shortage of lawyers.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>..for the construction of a new level to house these petty little bastards, and the vile creatures that elected them to office&#8230;</p>
<p>It won&#8217;t be easy- even the worst demons shout &#8220;Not In My Back Yard&#8217; at the thought of sharing space with these alternative fact red hat losers&#8230; they are fighting the construction fang and claw- and they have no shortage of lawyers.</p>
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		<title>By: Robert</title>
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		<dc:creator>Robert</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 18 Jul 2017 04:04:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>No, I believe it&#039;s a Beelzebub burger.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>No, I believe it&#8217;s a Beelzebub burger.</p>
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		<title>By: RL</title>
		<link>https://habitablezone.com/2017/07/14/former-soviet-counter-intelligence-officer-at-meeting-with-donald-trump-jr-and-russian-lawyer/#comment-39694</link>
		<dc:creator>RL</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 16 Jul 2017 03:16:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;a href=&quot;https://www.mediamatters.org/blog/2017/07/11/Foxs-chief-intelligence-correspondent-edited-out-mention-of-Russian-government-when-quotin/217211&quot; target=&quot;_blank&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Fox&#039;s chief intelligence correspondent edited out mention of Russian government when quoting Trump Jr. emails&lt;/a&gt;

&lt;blockquote&gt;One of Fox News chief intelligence correspondent Catherie Herridge&#039;s earliest reports on the new revelations regarding Donald Trump Jr.’s willingness to receive damaging information against Democratic presidential nominee Hillary Clinton from the Russian government edited out key parts of the email exchange that showed that Trump Jr. knew the information was indeed from the Russian government. Additonally, during reporting of Fox News&#039; Outnumbered, host Sandra Smith praised the president’s son for “trying to make this as most transparent as possible.”
During Fox News’ Outnumbered, chief intelligence correspondent Catherine Herridge reported on the developments, reading “key sections” from the email chain between Trump Jr. and the intermediary, Rob Goldstone. Herridge read:

https://cloudfront.mediamatters.org/static/uploader/image/2017/07/11/fox_edited_quote.png&lt;img src=&quot;https://cloudfront.mediamatters.org/static/uploader/image/2017/07/11/fox_edited_quote.png&quot; alt=&quot;&quot; /&gt;

But, as the ellipses show, Herridge omitted a key section of the quote. Goldstone’s reference to “Russia and its government’s support for Mr. Trump” was not included in the on-screen graphic, and Herridge did not mention that part of the quote during her report.&lt;/blockquote&gt;

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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><a href="https://www.mediamatters.org/blog/2017/07/11/Foxs-chief-intelligence-correspondent-edited-out-mention-of-Russian-government-when-quotin/217211" target="_blank" rel="nofollow">Fox&#8217;s chief intelligence correspondent edited out mention of Russian government when quoting Trump Jr. emails</a></p>
<blockquote><p>One of Fox News chief intelligence correspondent Catherie Herridge&#8217;s earliest reports on the new revelations regarding Donald Trump Jr.’s willingness to receive damaging information against Democratic presidential nominee Hillary Clinton from the Russian government edited out key parts of the email exchange that showed that Trump Jr. knew the information was indeed from the Russian government. Additonally, during reporting of Fox News&#8217; Outnumbered, host Sandra Smith praised the president’s son for “trying to make this as most transparent as possible.”<br />
During Fox News’ Outnumbered, chief intelligence correspondent Catherine Herridge reported on the developments, reading “key sections” from the email chain between Trump Jr. and the intermediary, Rob Goldstone. Herridge read:</p>
<p><a href="https://cloudfront.mediamatters.org/static/uploader/image/2017/07/11/fox_edited_quote.png" rel="nofollow">https://cloudfront.mediamatters.org/static/uploader/image/2017/07/11/fox_edited_quote.png</a><img src="https://cloudfront.mediamatters.org/static/uploader/image/2017/07/11/fox_edited_quote.png" alt="" /></p>
<p>But, as the ellipses show, Herridge omitted a key section of the quote. Goldstone’s reference to “Russia and its government’s support for Mr. Trump” was not included in the on-screen graphic, and Herridge did not mention that part of the quote during her report.</p></blockquote>
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		<title>By: hank</title>
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		<dc:creator>hank</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 15 Jul 2017 01:57:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It&#039;s not a nothing-burger, it&#039;s a Satan sandwich.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It&#8217;s not a nothing-burger, it&#8217;s a Satan sandwich.</p>
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		<title>By: hank</title>
		<link>https://habitablezone.com/2017/07/14/former-soviet-counter-intelligence-officer-at-meeting-with-donald-trump-jr-and-russian-lawyer/#comment-39684</link>
		<dc:creator>hank</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 15 Jul 2017 01:45:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>People may change their minds when they realize they&#039;ve been lied to and cheated.  But they will do whatever it takes not to admit to themselves that they conned themselves into believing a lie because of their stupidity, ignorance, fear and hatred.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>People may change their minds when they realize they&#8217;ve been lied to and cheated.  But they will do whatever it takes not to admit to themselves that they conned themselves into believing a lie because of their stupidity, ignorance, fear and hatred.</p>
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		<title>By: hank</title>
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		<dc:creator>hank</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 15 Jul 2017 01:42:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>When the Communists were sworn enemies of Capitalism, the Reds were vilified and feared because they represented a danger, not to our country, but to our economic system and leadership.  Once they became Capitalists too, they suddenly became all right, they were business competitors, not national enemies.  Capitalists do not fear their business rivals, they can always work out some kind of accommodation with &quot;competitors&quot;. Price fixing is much more profitable than price war, for everybody concerned. Crony Capitalism is, after all, the only kind there is. The real enemies, the real danger, the real competition comes from the workers and the customers. Those are the ones you can&#039;t afford to ignore, the ones you have to make sure are kept in their place..

Like feudal lords, there are always occasional conflicts and skirmishes amongst the nobility, but real war (and cooperation among the aristocracy) came when the peasants revolted, or some upstart decided he wanted to be King.
That&#039;s when you got Magna Carta, The British and American Revolutions, and Fort Sumter.

When the Chinese turned capitalist, and when the Russians followed soon after and the Soviet empire fell, our leadership started seeing them as business competitors, and tried to work out deals with them to divvy up the markets.

Unfortunately, they never got the memo.  They still see the world as competing nation-states, not megacorporations crafting &quot;deals&quot;, and the fact that they are now capitalist too does not change their competitive relationship with us.

When I was in high school I used to outrage my friends by telling them; &quot;You think the Soviets and Red Chinese are a big problem now, you haven&#039;t seen anything yet.  Wait till they give up on Communism and become Capitalist.  We&#039;re going to have our hands full.&quot;

I used to say that half-jokingly.  I can see now I had really stumbled on to something.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>When the Communists were sworn enemies of Capitalism, the Reds were vilified and feared because they represented a danger, not to our country, but to our economic system and leadership.  Once they became Capitalists too, they suddenly became all right, they were business competitors, not national enemies.  Capitalists do not fear their business rivals, they can always work out some kind of accommodation with &#8220;competitors&#8221;. Price fixing is much more profitable than price war, for everybody concerned. Crony Capitalism is, after all, the only kind there is. The real enemies, the real danger, the real competition comes from the workers and the customers. Those are the ones you can&#8217;t afford to ignore, the ones you have to make sure are kept in their place..</p>
<p>Like feudal lords, there are always occasional conflicts and skirmishes amongst the nobility, but real war (and cooperation among the aristocracy) came when the peasants revolted, or some upstart decided he wanted to be King.<br />
That&#8217;s when you got Magna Carta, The British and American Revolutions, and Fort Sumter.</p>
<p>When the Chinese turned capitalist, and when the Russians followed soon after and the Soviet empire fell, our leadership started seeing them as business competitors, and tried to work out deals with them to divvy up the markets.</p>
<p>Unfortunately, they never got the memo.  They still see the world as competing nation-states, not megacorporations crafting &#8220;deals&#8221;, and the fact that they are now capitalist too does not change their competitive relationship with us.</p>
<p>When I was in high school I used to outrage my friends by telling them; &#8220;You think the Soviets and Red Chinese are a big problem now, you haven&#8217;t seen anything yet.  Wait till they give up on Communism and become Capitalist.  We&#8217;re going to have our hands full.&#8221;</p>
<p>I used to say that half-jokingly.  I can see now I had really stumbled on to something.</p>
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		<title>By: RL</title>
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		<dc:creator>RL</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 15 Jul 2017 00:30:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>


&lt;blockquote&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;https://www.bostonglobe.com/news/politics/2017/06/07/most-say-trump-interfering-with-russia-investigations-new-poll-says/ytdBVUOuYBYwRkFAL4RicI/story.html&quot; target=&quot;_blank&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Large majorities of Republicans say Trump fired Comey for the good of the country&lt;/a&gt; (71 percent) and that he is cooperating with investigations into Russia’s election influence (77 percent). At the same time, roughly 1 in 5 Republicans say Trump fired Comey to protect himself, while about 1 in 6 think he is trying to interfere with investigations, criticisms shared by more than 3 in 10 conservatives.
&lt;/blockquote&gt;


Look at &lt;a href=&quot;http://big.assets.huffingtonpost.com/tabsHPTrumpandRussia20170711.pdf&quot; target=&quot;_blank&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;this poll&lt;/a&gt;


47% of republicans think the meeting between Junior and the russian lawyer bearing gifts was appropriate!

Republicans that think the Trump administration’s relationship with Russia is:
A very serious problem: 6%
A somewhat serious problem: 7%

They are in a different universe....
Look at the approval ratings broken down by party affiliation:
&lt;img src=&quot;https://img.washingtonpost.com/wp-apps/imrs.php?src=https://img.washingtonpost.com/news/politics/wp-content/uploads/sites/11/2017/07/Polls_Avg.jpg&amp;w=400&quot; alt=&quot;&quot; /&gt;

What will it take?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p><a href="https://www.bostonglobe.com/news/politics/2017/06/07/most-say-trump-interfering-with-russia-investigations-new-poll-says/ytdBVUOuYBYwRkFAL4RicI/story.html" target="_blank" rel="nofollow">Large majorities of Republicans say Trump fired Comey for the good of the country</a> (71 percent) and that he is cooperating with investigations into Russia’s election influence (77 percent). At the same time, roughly 1 in 5 Republicans say Trump fired Comey to protect himself, while about 1 in 6 think he is trying to interfere with investigations, criticisms shared by more than 3 in 10 conservatives.
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<p>Look at <a href="http://big.assets.huffingtonpost.com/tabsHPTrumpandRussia20170711.pdf" target="_blank" rel="nofollow">this poll</a></p>
<p>47% of republicans think the meeting between Junior and the russian lawyer bearing gifts was appropriate!</p>
<p>Republicans that think the Trump administration’s relationship with Russia is:<br />
A very serious problem: 6%<br />
A somewhat serious problem: 7%</p>
<p>They are in a different universe&#8230;.<br />
Look at the approval ratings broken down by party affiliation:<br />
<img src="https://img.washingtonpost.com/wp-apps/imrs.php?src=https://img.washingtonpost.com/news/politics/wp-content/uploads/sites/11/2017/07/Polls_Avg.jpg&amp;w=400" alt="" /></p>
<p>What will it take?</p>
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		<title>By: Robert</title>
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		<dc:creator>Robert</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 15 Jul 2017 00:19:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>...and near Lawrence Livermore, in a defense contractor&#039;s facility that, I swear, was surrounded by a six-foot earthen berm to protect the surrounding subdivisions from our explosives bunkers.

I understand the absurdity of being approached by somebody brazenly identifying as a Soviet agent, offering me something of value, with no mention of the cost...at first. Well duh yeah you call the FBI, when the Soviets approach you. (Or, as anybody with half a brain in the industry expected, an FBI agent masquerading as a Soviet.)

Or at least, you did, when there were Soviets. I&#039;ve experienced the interesting evolution over the ensuing years, of Russians and Chinese mutating from nuclear-armed devils out to kill me, into co-workers and technical collaborators mediated by the internet. More than once I&#039;ve marveled that the FBI was &lt;i&gt;not&lt;/i&gt; knocking at my door.

Now, The Moron Donny Junior, is, I believe, 39 years old. The Soviet Union crumbled right around the time a servant was popping his first pimple. In the ensuing years, he&#039;s done business with Russians...so maybe contact from a Russian wouldn&#039;t ring the same alarm bells it would with us older dudes?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8230;and near Lawrence Livermore, in a defense contractor&#8217;s facility that, I swear, was surrounded by a six-foot earthen berm to protect the surrounding subdivisions from our explosives bunkers.</p>
<p>I understand the absurdity of being approached by somebody brazenly identifying as a Soviet agent, offering me something of value, with no mention of the cost&#8230;at first. Well duh yeah you call the FBI, when the Soviets approach you. (Or, as anybody with half a brain in the industry expected, an FBI agent masquerading as a Soviet.)</p>
<p>Or at least, you did, when there were Soviets. I&#8217;ve experienced the interesting evolution over the ensuing years, of Russians and Chinese mutating from nuclear-armed devils out to kill me, into co-workers and technical collaborators mediated by the internet. More than once I&#8217;ve marveled that the FBI was <i>not</i> knocking at my door.</p>
<p>Now, The Moron Donny Junior, is, I believe, 39 years old. The Soviet Union crumbled right around the time a servant was popping his first pimple. In the ensuing years, he&#8217;s done business with Russians&#8230;so maybe contact from a Russian wouldn&#8217;t ring the same alarm bells it would with us older dudes?</p>
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		<title>By: Robert</title>
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		<dc:creator>Robert</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 15 Jul 2017 00:09:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I know it&#039;s kinda trite to observe that today&#039;s Russians aren&#039;t the Soviets of the 50s and 60s. (Though the real Soviets probably never were.)

Russia today is an authoritarian oligarchy, and if oligarchy is capitalism run amok, the attraction to the corporate/wealthy strain of Republicans seems natural.

One of the hardest things to wrap my head around, as an American, is that not everybody is a big fan of democracy. Being &quot;anti-democracy&quot; seems somehow &quot;dirty&quot; to somebody born in the early &#039;50s and raised on Cold War jingoism. But yet there&#039;s an abiding belief among many that democracy is the enemy of capitalism. I think many of those who think that way keep their heads down, knowing the prevailing emotional attachment to democracy. But they&#039;re there.

The theory that democracy and capitalism are mortal enemies may explain why people who aren&#039;t wealthy are still capitalists (or, rather, fervently defend capitalism): If democracy diminishes the wealth of the wealthy, then logically it must present obstacles to acquiring wealth in the first place. Democracy, to a have-not of this persuasion, is the enemy of upward-mobility.

How&#039;s that for &lt;strike&gt;alien&lt;/strike&gt;conservative-whispering?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I know it&#8217;s kinda trite to observe that today&#8217;s Russians aren&#8217;t the Soviets of the 50s and 60s. (Though the real Soviets probably never were.)</p>
<p>Russia today is an authoritarian oligarchy, and if oligarchy is capitalism run amok, the attraction to the corporate/wealthy strain of Republicans seems natural.</p>
<p>One of the hardest things to wrap my head around, as an American, is that not everybody is a big fan of democracy. Being &#8220;anti-democracy&#8221; seems somehow &#8220;dirty&#8221; to somebody born in the early &#8217;50s and raised on Cold War jingoism. But yet there&#8217;s an abiding belief among many that democracy is the enemy of capitalism. I think many of those who think that way keep their heads down, knowing the prevailing emotional attachment to democracy. But they&#8217;re there.</p>
<p>The theory that democracy and capitalism are mortal enemies may explain why people who aren&#8217;t wealthy are still capitalists (or, rather, fervently defend capitalism): If democracy diminishes the wealth of the wealthy, then logically it must present obstacles to acquiring wealth in the first place. Democracy, to a have-not of this persuasion, is the enemy of upward-mobility.</p>
<p>How&#8217;s that for <strike>alien</strike>conservative-whispering?</p>
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