Oh, Rudy, somehow I think that will be lost in a long list of pejoratives on your gravestone… Besides, the full inscription will be
“Rudy Giuliani: He lied for Trump VERY badly”

Also from the interview:

RUDY:But I can tell you, from the moment I read the story, I knew the story was false.

NEW YORKER:Because?

RUDY:Because I have been through all the tapes, I have been through all the texts, I have been through all the e-mails, and I knew none existed. And then, basically, when the special counsel said that, just in case there are any others I might not know about, they probably went through others and found the same thing.

NEW YORKER: Wait, what tapes have you gone through?

I shouldn’t have said tapes.
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