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		<title>By: RL</title>
		<link>https://habitablezone.com/2020/11/04/the-last-41-octobers/#comment-45892</link>
		<dc:creator>RL</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 05 Nov 2020 22:22:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;a href=&quot;https://eartharxiv.org/repository/view/527/&quot; target=&quot;_blank&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;https://eartharxiv.org/repository/view/527/&lt;/a&gt;

It wont be a sudden change from one day to the next... And don&#039;t worry- the rich can afford supplemental oxygen, so they will be just fine.

The bad news is as CO2 increases the more our effective IQs will drop, compromising our abilities to deal with the problem. Whats more, lower IQs will be great for the Republican party, so they can whip up larger crowds and get them to chant &#039;DRILL BABY DRILL&#039; as we all slowly choke to death.</description>
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<p>It wont be a sudden change from one day to the next&#8230; And don&#8217;t worry- the rich can afford supplemental oxygen, so they will be just fine.</p>
<p>The bad news is as CO2 increases the more our effective IQs will drop, compromising our abilities to deal with the problem. Whats more, lower IQs will be great for the Republican party, so they can whip up larger crowds and get them to chant &#8216;DRILL BABY DRILL&#8217; as we all slowly choke to death.</p>
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		<title>By: ER</title>
		<link>https://habitablezone.com/2020/11/04/the-last-41-octobers/#comment-45888</link>
		<dc:creator>ER</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 05 Nov 2020 20:02:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Human societies are tough and resilient, study how countries like Germany or Japan managed to not only survive, but fight back while absorbing devastating air bombardment. Today, look at places like Syria, Lebanon and Libya.  Long before terrestrial life is threatened by the loss of water and oxygen, people will be more concerned with things like unemployment, inflation, and loss of sewer, water and electricity.

But sooner or later, the economy goes south, and civic and social services will become intermittent, and then fail.  Still, the last people to be seriously inconvenienced are those with money.  That&#039;s why they never seem to keen to do anything about the problem.

Eventually though, money will become useless, and then even a gun will do you little good unless you have lots of friends with guns.  

But even then, you can still drink rainwater and breath the air, if you don&#039;t mind the smoke...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Human societies are tough and resilient, study how countries like Germany or Japan managed to not only survive, but fight back while absorbing devastating air bombardment. Today, look at places like Syria, Lebanon and Libya.  Long before terrestrial life is threatened by the loss of water and oxygen, people will be more concerned with things like unemployment, inflation, and loss of sewer, water and electricity.</p>
<p>But sooner or later, the economy goes south, and civic and social services will become intermittent, and then fail.  Still, the last people to be seriously inconvenienced are those with money.  That&#8217;s why they never seem to keen to do anything about the problem.</p>
<p>Eventually though, money will become useless, and then even a gun will do you little good unless you have lots of friends with guns.  </p>
<p>But even then, you can still drink rainwater and breath the air, if you don&#8217;t mind the smoke&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Vitruvius</title>
		<link>https://habitablezone.com/2020/11/04/the-last-41-octobers/#comment-45886</link>
		<dc:creator>Vitruvius</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 05 Nov 2020 19:32:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Watching those idiots brag about their &quot;plans&quot; and gear as they show both off is always good for a laugh.  These guys are overgrown five year-olds with playground fantasies of being Immortan Joe once things go to shit.

Most of &lt;em&gt;my&lt;/em&gt; plans involve my community, and my neighbors.  The rest involves learned skill.

The reason I ask is, I have no idea how bad the process would fuck up the air.  If there&#039;s a chance I&#039;d wake up choking for breath one day, I&#039;d rather move away from the source.  But that could just be ignorance talking.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Watching those idiots brag about their &#8220;plans&#8221; and gear as they show both off is always good for a laugh.  These guys are overgrown five year-olds with playground fantasies of being Immortan Joe once things go to shit.</p>
<p>Most of <em>my</em> plans involve my community, and my neighbors.  The rest involves learned skill.</p>
<p>The reason I ask is, I have no idea how bad the process would fuck up the air.  If there&#8217;s a chance I&#8217;d wake up choking for breath one day, I&#8217;d rather move away from the source.  But that could just be ignorance talking.</p>
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		<title>By: ER</title>
		<link>https://habitablezone.com/2020/11/04/the-last-41-octobers/#comment-45875</link>
		<dc:creator>ER</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 05 Nov 2020 02:50:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>What will most likely happen is changes in weather caused by climate change will alter rainfall patterns, which will cause cause changes in agriculture and land use, which will cause economic and industrial dislocations.  After that comes war, famine, plagues, mass migrations, civil unrest, social disturbances and so on.

You know, like....right now!

And it will happen gradually, so society will (in some places) be able to adjust to it.  But to people living through it, it will seem like things are slowly coming unraveled.  Of course, if you&#039;ve got money, or access to political power and economic clout, you&#039;ll probably do all right, or at least, convince yourself you can.

It will be a lot like Europe in the Dark Ages.  If you&#039;ve got a farm and a couple of hundred people working for you, and a gang of tough guys with truncheons on your side, you&#039;ll probably do just fine -- as long as you can make the payroll.

This isn&#039;t the first time in history this has happened, you know.  Environmental degradation has always led to collapse of civilizations.  Sometimes its drought, sometimes its climate change, sometimes its sea level rise (or fall), sometimes its a disease that kills the crops, or a bug that eats them.  The difference with us is that it will happen all over at once, and it will happen in one lifetime.

But don&#039;t fantasize you&#039;ll be able to go out into the woods and ride it out.  As soon as the word gets out you&#039;ve got canned goods. a rifle and pretty daughters they&#039;ll come and take them from you.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>What will most likely happen is changes in weather caused by climate change will alter rainfall patterns, which will cause cause changes in agriculture and land use, which will cause economic and industrial dislocations.  After that comes war, famine, plagues, mass migrations, civil unrest, social disturbances and so on.</p>
<p>You know, like&#8230;.right now!</p>
<p>And it will happen gradually, so society will (in some places) be able to adjust to it.  But to people living through it, it will seem like things are slowly coming unraveled.  Of course, if you&#8217;ve got money, or access to political power and economic clout, you&#8217;ll probably do all right, or at least, convince yourself you can.</p>
<p>It will be a lot like Europe in the Dark Ages.  If you&#8217;ve got a farm and a couple of hundred people working for you, and a gang of tough guys with truncheons on your side, you&#8217;ll probably do just fine &#8212; as long as you can make the payroll.</p>
<p>This isn&#8217;t the first time in history this has happened, you know.  Environmental degradation has always led to collapse of civilizations.  Sometimes its drought, sometimes its climate change, sometimes its sea level rise (or fall), sometimes its a disease that kills the crops, or a bug that eats them.  The difference with us is that it will happen all over at once, and it will happen in one lifetime.</p>
<p>But don&#8217;t fantasize you&#8217;ll be able to go out into the woods and ride it out.  As soon as the word gets out you&#8217;ve got canned goods. a rifle and pretty daughters they&#8217;ll come and take them from you.</p>
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		<title>By: Vitruvius</title>
		<link>https://habitablezone.com/2020/11/04/the-last-41-octobers/#comment-45871</link>
		<dc:creator>Vitruvius</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 05 Nov 2020 02:29:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>And we have the next &lt;a href=&quot;https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Permian%E2%80%93Triassic_extinction_event&quot; title=&quot;Permian-Triassic Extinction Event&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Great Dying&lt;/a&gt; on our hands, where do you suppose the safest place to be is?  I&#039;m thinking Central Asia or the Rockies; maybe equatorial Africa...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>And we have the next <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Permian%E2%80%93Triassic_extinction_event" title="Permian-Triassic Extinction Event" rel="nofollow">Great Dying</a> on our hands, where do you suppose the safest place to be is?  I&#8217;m thinking Central Asia or the Rockies; maybe equatorial Africa&#8230;</p>
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