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		<title>By: Vitruvius</title>
		<link>https://habitablezone.com/2020/11/25/trump-was-the-red-pill-biden-is-the-blue/#comment-46113</link>
		<dc:creator>Vitruvius</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 02 Dec 2020 02:13:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>To me, the main dollar cost in immigration is what&#039;s thrown to shuffle people around.  Illegal immigrants are in the odd position where they pay some taxes (not all, admittedly), yet receive nothing in government benefits for said taxes, like the rest of us do.  Streamlining the visa process, encouraging both sides of the border to invest in each other, and give workers here a legal precedent for remaining, so they can both pay the additional taxes required (a financial boom), and receive government services seems like the best option to me.  A better-done Bracero program, perhaps?

Iran is as nutty as America is.  I&#039;m not sure getting involved in their cold war is going to help things - and if we did, we should&#039;t be siding with the Sauds, either.  Quds Force is sus, but there&#039;s pest control, and there&#039;s kicking the hornet&#039;s nest.

NATO has essentially become defense outsourcing for the other nations involved.  The Defense industry isn&#039;t complaining - we&#039;re now a superpower for hire.  Honestly, what we should be doing is transitioning from that into joint US-EU defense agreements, which would be more effective and cost-efficient for everyone around.

The economy is for the people, and not vice-versa - if we die, so does the system.  Best way to keep it afloat is to keep ourselves afloat.

Best Korea&#039;s been hell-bent on nukes for ages, and I think the only reason we haven&#039;t done anything about it is because China already got theirs decades earlier.  If you have the (nuclear) power, you have bargaining chips - this has been NK&#039;s end game for ages.  I don&#039;t have an easy answer for that, beyond better development of anti-nuke tech, and pressuring the communists out of China.

Concerning who to bomb and when, we are not the judge, jury, and executioner of the world.  We sure as hell ain&#039;t footing the defense bill for it either.  Unless we&#039;ve been paid to be involved (again, a &quot;superpower for hire&quot;), we won&#039;t be.

Oil is a thing of the past.  Renewable energy is here, now, and highly lucrative.

Concerning student loan forgiveness, I have to respectfully disagree.  Partial and/or whole loan forgiveness, combined with better legislation and rulings against predatory loan practices, will vastly benefit all involved (save for the loan sharks, but they need to be netted).

I wish the new administration success too.  Not everyone may like the results, but the least we can do is find common ground with our neighbors.  Good to see you posting again, RobVG.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>To me, the main dollar cost in immigration is what&#8217;s thrown to shuffle people around.  Illegal immigrants are in the odd position where they pay some taxes (not all, admittedly), yet receive nothing in government benefits for said taxes, like the rest of us do.  Streamlining the visa process, encouraging both sides of the border to invest in each other, and give workers here a legal precedent for remaining, so they can both pay the additional taxes required (a financial boom), and receive government services seems like the best option to me.  A better-done Bracero program, perhaps?</p>
<p>Iran is as nutty as America is.  I&#8217;m not sure getting involved in their cold war is going to help things &#8211; and if we did, we should&#8217;t be siding with the Sauds, either.  Quds Force is sus, but there&#8217;s pest control, and there&#8217;s kicking the hornet&#8217;s nest.</p>
<p>NATO has essentially become defense outsourcing for the other nations involved.  The Defense industry isn&#8217;t complaining &#8211; we&#8217;re now a superpower for hire.  Honestly, what we should be doing is transitioning from that into joint US-EU defense agreements, which would be more effective and cost-efficient for everyone around.</p>
<p>The economy is for the people, and not vice-versa &#8211; if we die, so does the system.  Best way to keep it afloat is to keep ourselves afloat.</p>
<p>Best Korea&#8217;s been hell-bent on nukes for ages, and I think the only reason we haven&#8217;t done anything about it is because China already got theirs decades earlier.  If you have the (nuclear) power, you have bargaining chips &#8211; this has been NK&#8217;s end game for ages.  I don&#8217;t have an easy answer for that, beyond better development of anti-nuke tech, and pressuring the communists out of China.</p>
<p>Concerning who to bomb and when, we are not the judge, jury, and executioner of the world.  We sure as hell ain&#8217;t footing the defense bill for it either.  Unless we&#8217;ve been paid to be involved (again, a &#8220;superpower for hire&#8221;), we won&#8217;t be.</p>
<p>Oil is a thing of the past.  Renewable energy is here, now, and highly lucrative.</p>
<p>Concerning student loan forgiveness, I have to respectfully disagree.  Partial and/or whole loan forgiveness, combined with better legislation and rulings against predatory loan practices, will vastly benefit all involved (save for the loan sharks, but they need to be netted).</p>
<p>I wish the new administration success too.  Not everyone may like the results, but the least we can do is find common ground with our neighbors.  Good to see you posting again, RobVG.</p>
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		<title>By: ER</title>
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		<dc:creator>ER</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 26 Nov 2020 14:40:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>That was only the first big lie of the Trump GOP.  But the liars can be forgiven if they were ignorant and stupid enough to believe them.  But those who never believed them but kept silent are much, much worse.  And the lies have continued non-stop for the last decade.  I&#039;m not going to waste my time listing any of the others since; we&#039;ve been doing that here for the last 8 years and you have chosen instead to tie your shoe, clear your throat, make excuses and look the other way.

You people not only have differences of opinion and policy with us, you have shown that you will stop at nothing to win, and you have eagerly enlisted some of the darkest forces in our society to help you do so.  You don&#039;t want compromise, you won&#039;t even settle for  victory, you want to annihilate and humiliate your opponents.  And you have enabled and facilitated these tyrants even when you didn&#039;t agree with them, simply to help them achieve and retain power and promote your own cultural and financial goals.

And now that you&#039;ve lost, fair and square, and when you can&#039;t cheat or lie your way back into power, NOW, you want to &quot;meet us half way, find common ground&quot;.  You talk about compromise, democracy, debate, building bridges.  What fucking balls.

Conservatives have a lot to offer America, not only do they offer an alternative to Liberals, a check on their excesses and their fantasies, and they also have policies and ideas which are of value in their own right.  There are decent, honest, courageous Conservatives like the Lincoln Project, and those who sacrificed their political careers and reputations as party leaders and intellectuals to try and keep their party from going astray.  They will always be welcome here. The rest of you have denounced them as Squishy, RINOs and Never-Trumpers, you have shown yourselves to be no better than the 1930s socialists who continued to support Stalin even after the evidence for his crimes was overwhelming.  

No, come to think of it, that&#039;s not a good example, Russia was very far away and perhaps the useful idiots could be forgiven as being simply stupid.  No, you are more like the &quot;Good Germans&quot;  who continued their support for Hitler even when the stench of burning flesh from the death camps could no longer be ignored.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>That was only the first big lie of the Trump GOP.  But the liars can be forgiven if they were ignorant and stupid enough to believe them.  But those who never believed them but kept silent are much, much worse.  And the lies have continued non-stop for the last decade.  I&#8217;m not going to waste my time listing any of the others since; we&#8217;ve been doing that here for the last 8 years and you have chosen instead to tie your shoe, clear your throat, make excuses and look the other way.</p>
<p>You people not only have differences of opinion and policy with us, you have shown that you will stop at nothing to win, and you have eagerly enlisted some of the darkest forces in our society to help you do so.  You don&#8217;t want compromise, you won&#8217;t even settle for  victory, you want to annihilate and humiliate your opponents.  And you have enabled and facilitated these tyrants even when you didn&#8217;t agree with them, simply to help them achieve and retain power and promote your own cultural and financial goals.</p>
<p>And now that you&#8217;ve lost, fair and square, and when you can&#8217;t cheat or lie your way back into power, NOW, you want to &#8220;meet us half way, find common ground&#8221;.  You talk about compromise, democracy, debate, building bridges.  What fucking balls.</p>
<p>Conservatives have a lot to offer America, not only do they offer an alternative to Liberals, a check on their excesses and their fantasies, and they also have policies and ideas which are of value in their own right.  There are decent, honest, courageous Conservatives like the Lincoln Project, and those who sacrificed their political careers and reputations as party leaders and intellectuals to try and keep their party from going astray.  They will always be welcome here. The rest of you have denounced them as Squishy, RINOs and Never-Trumpers, you have shown yourselves to be no better than the 1930s socialists who continued to support Stalin even after the evidence for his crimes was overwhelming.  </p>
<p>No, come to think of it, that&#8217;s not a good example, Russia was very far away and perhaps the useful idiots could be forgiven as being simply stupid.  No, you are more like the &#8220;Good Germans&#8221;  who continued their support for Hitler even when the stench of burning flesh from the death camps could no longer be ignored.</p>
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		<title>By: podrock</title>
		<link>https://habitablezone.com/2020/11/25/trump-was-the-red-pill-biden-is-the-blue/#comment-46081</link>
		<dc:creator>podrock</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 26 Nov 2020 04:00:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;ll take the purple one.</description>
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		<title>By: RL</title>
		<link>https://habitablezone.com/2020/11/25/trump-was-the-red-pill-biden-is-the-blue/#comment-46080</link>
		<dc:creator>RL</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 26 Nov 2020 03:34:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Everything we warned you about-BEFORE his election in 2016- has come to pass, and so much more...

It&#039;s not like you can claim you had no way of knowing Trump would be a disaster- it was obvious...

You OWN this shit-show, and all the harm it has done.

At some level you know it, you just don&#039;t care.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Everything we warned you about-BEFORE his election in 2016- has come to pass, and so much more&#8230;</p>
<p>It&#8217;s not like you can claim you had no way of knowing Trump would be a disaster- it was obvious&#8230;</p>
<p>You OWN this shit-show, and all the harm it has done.</p>
<p>At some level you know it, you just don&#8217;t care.</p>
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		<title>By: RobVG</title>
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		<dc:creator>RobVG</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 26 Nov 2020 03:12:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Reasoned response. Not surprising n/t</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Reasoned response. Not surprising n/t</p>
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		<title>By: RobVG</title>
		<link>https://habitablezone.com/2020/11/25/trump-was-the-red-pill-biden-is-the-blue/#comment-46078</link>
		<dc:creator>RobVG</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 26 Nov 2020 03:08:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>There ya go, let it all out. You poor baby...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>There ya go, let it all out. You poor baby&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: RL</title>
		<link>https://habitablezone.com/2020/11/25/trump-was-the-red-pill-biden-is-the-blue/#comment-46077</link>
		<dc:creator>RL</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 26 Nov 2020 02:22:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>My side believes that it&#039;s important to fund education, and have an economic policy that doesn&#039;t simply make the rich richer while gutting the middle class....

YOUR side believes in Q-anon, that democrats are in a pedophile cabal and drink the blood of babies for strength... That global warming is a chinese hoax, neo-nazis are very fine people, that wearing a mask in a pandemic is an assault on liberty, and kidnapping children from their parents is perfectly fine way to deter brown-people from coming into our country.

There is no bridging that divide, &#039;reaching out&#039; to people that detached from reality is dangerously misguided- you are simply a disease that must be contained if our nation is to survive.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>My side believes that it&#8217;s important to fund education, and have an economic policy that doesn&#8217;t simply make the rich richer while gutting the middle class&#8230;.</p>
<p>YOUR side believes in Q-anon, that democrats are in a pedophile cabal and drink the blood of babies for strength&#8230; That global warming is a chinese hoax, neo-nazis are very fine people, that wearing a mask in a pandemic is an assault on liberty, and kidnapping children from their parents is perfectly fine way to deter brown-people from coming into our country.</p>
<p>There is no bridging that divide, &#8216;reaching out&#8217; to people that detached from reality is dangerously misguided- you are simply a disease that must be contained if our nation is to survive.</p>
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		<title>By: RL</title>
		<link>https://habitablezone.com/2020/11/25/trump-was-the-red-pill-biden-is-the-blue/#comment-46076</link>
		<dc:creator>RL</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 26 Nov 2020 02:20:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>To recover from the damage that Trump and his treasonous boot-lickers inflicted on our nation will take far longer than one presidency... it will take decades, generations.... time we simply do not have the luxury of having.

Meanwhile, in 2024 the wannabe fascists will put someone like Trump up for election and the same trash will vote for him. Except NEXT time they might get someone with a LITTLE bit of competence.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>To recover from the damage that Trump and his treasonous boot-lickers inflicted on our nation will take far longer than one presidency&#8230; it will take decades, generations&#8230;. time we simply do not have the luxury of having.</p>
<p>Meanwhile, in 2024 the wannabe fascists will put someone like Trump up for election and the same trash will vote for him. Except NEXT time they might get someone with a LITTLE bit of competence.</p>
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		<title>By: BuckGalaxy</title>
		<link>https://habitablezone.com/2020/11/25/trump-was-the-red-pill-biden-is-the-blue/#comment-46074</link>
		<dc:creator>BuckGalaxy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 26 Nov 2020 02:04:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Trump was the poison pill.  Biden is healing pill.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Trump was the poison pill.  Biden is healing pill.</p>
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		<title>By: RL</title>
		<link>https://habitablezone.com/2020/11/25/trump-was-the-red-pill-biden-is-the-blue/#comment-46073</link>
		<dc:creator>RL</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 26 Nov 2020 01:47:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>You got your &#039;voice&#039; in the white house, and the result was 100&#039;s of thousands of your fellow citizens dead, virulent racism promoted at the highest levels, economic disaster, and total corruption. Do you think America is more or less respected in the world thanks to your &#039;man&#039;?

Yeah, you can go straight to hell- its better than you deserve. The deaths of hundreds of thousand of Americans is on your hands... all because people like you loved the open bigotry, the crass corruption, the &#039;me first&#039; attitude- you, with your glaring &#039;daddy issues&#039; ate that up- you thought they were the markings of a &#039;real man&#039;... PATHETIC.

Hundreds thousands dead, it didn&#039;t have to happen. Hundreds thousands more will die, because this &#039;man&#039; will not admit he was wrong, and is actively trying to sabotage the incoming administration. Those deaths will be on your hands as well...

WHAT do you think we should do with traitors like you? We went to war for decades over a few thousand dead on 9-11... What do you think you deserve?

I have some ideas, but taking your &#039;opinions&#039; seriously is most certainly NOT among them.

You chose to be a deplorable, took pride in it in fact. You defended every atrocity, and denied the obvious. You knowingly sold out all your supposed principles for the con-man&#039;s promise that you would be a &#039;winner&#039;...

You whored yourself to him - your only compensation was lies- you were the cheapest and most accommodating of whores.

And now, here you are- exposed as a bigoted hypocrite, with no real values other than making sure that no one has an easier time of it than you had... a petty, vindictive little man that revels in the atrocities that were committed in his name.

You never were a particularly bright man, never were even a decent man... it is debatable, given your screwed up notions of manhood, that you were ever really a man at all... but there is one thing that you now are, thanks to Trump...

You are a LOSER, and your fellow citizens that you sold out will remember that. You will go to your grave remembered as a traitorous fool, someone so blind that they thought a reality show con-man was qualified to be president... But really you knew better, you just wanted to be entertained at the expense of other people. And in that respect, Trump delivered for you... You hated being the loser that you are, and the only thing that could make it better in your eyes was ensuring others lost even more... That, in your sick little mind, is as good as winning. 

WHAT should we do with you?
You better pray we are INFINITELY more forgiving than your side would be. 

You are the filth that America needs to scrape off the bottom of its shoes before we can be accepted in polite, civilized company.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You got your &#8216;voice&#8217; in the white house, and the result was 100&#8242;s of thousands of your fellow citizens dead, virulent racism promoted at the highest levels, economic disaster, and total corruption. Do you think America is more or less respected in the world thanks to your &#8216;man&#8217;?</p>
<p>Yeah, you can go straight to hell- its better than you deserve. The deaths of hundreds of thousand of Americans is on your hands&#8230; all because people like you loved the open bigotry, the crass corruption, the &#8216;me first&#8217; attitude- you, with your glaring &#8216;daddy issues&#8217; ate that up- you thought they were the markings of a &#8216;real man&#8217;&#8230; PATHETIC.</p>
<p>Hundreds thousands dead, it didn&#8217;t have to happen. Hundreds thousands more will die, because this &#8216;man&#8217; will not admit he was wrong, and is actively trying to sabotage the incoming administration. Those deaths will be on your hands as well&#8230;</p>
<p>WHAT do you think we should do with traitors like you? We went to war for decades over a few thousand dead on 9-11&#8230; What do you think you deserve?</p>
<p>I have some ideas, but taking your &#8216;opinions&#8217; seriously is most certainly NOT among them.</p>
<p>You chose to be a deplorable, took pride in it in fact. You defended every atrocity, and denied the obvious. You knowingly sold out all your supposed principles for the con-man&#8217;s promise that you would be a &#8216;winner&#8217;&#8230;</p>
<p>You whored yourself to him &#8211; your only compensation was lies- you were the cheapest and most accommodating of whores.</p>
<p>And now, here you are- exposed as a bigoted hypocrite, with no real values other than making sure that no one has an easier time of it than you had&#8230; a petty, vindictive little man that revels in the atrocities that were committed in his name.</p>
<p>You never were a particularly bright man, never were even a decent man&#8230; it is debatable, given your screwed up notions of manhood, that you were ever really a man at all&#8230; but there is one thing that you now are, thanks to Trump&#8230;</p>
<p>You are a LOSER, and your fellow citizens that you sold out will remember that. You will go to your grave remembered as a traitorous fool, someone so blind that they thought a reality show con-man was qualified to be president&#8230; But really you knew better, you just wanted to be entertained at the expense of other people. And in that respect, Trump delivered for you&#8230; You hated being the loser that you are, and the only thing that could make it better in your eyes was ensuring others lost even more&#8230; That, in your sick little mind, is as good as winning. </p>
<p>WHAT should we do with you?<br />
You better pray we are INFINITELY more forgiving than your side would be. </p>
<p>You are the filth that America needs to scrape off the bottom of its shoes before we can be accepted in polite, civilized company.</p>
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