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		<title>By: ER</title>
		<link>https://habitablezone.com/2021/12/05/what-is-it-about-modern-life/#comment-47640</link>
		<dc:creator>ER</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 07 Dec 2021 04:45:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Unfortunately, the social conditions that favor social cohesion and stability do so at the expense of personal freedom and expression.

Its why we moved to cities as soon as we mastered agriculture and specialization of labor.  

When we invented suburbs, we discovered the worst of both worlds.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mxuEr_p8Z4o</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Unfortunately, the social conditions that favor social cohesion and stability do so at the expense of personal freedom and expression.</p>
<p>Its why we moved to cities as soon as we mastered agriculture and specialization of labor.  </p>
<p>When we invented suburbs, we discovered the worst of both worlds.</p>
<p><a href="https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mxuEr_p8Z4o" rel="nofollow">https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mxuEr_p8Z4o</a></p>
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		<title>By: Sui</title>
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		<dc:creator>Sui</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 07 Dec 2021 04:22:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Like</description>
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		<title>By: Sui</title>
		<link>https://habitablezone.com/2021/12/05/what-is-it-about-modern-life/#comment-47635</link>
		<dc:creator>Sui</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 07 Dec 2021 04:22:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Everybody is related to everybody, the schools are full of third generation pupils and it’s a very tight knit community. 

It’s a collection of cliques which are impossible to break into, the school run clique, the church clique, etc. The town lives in the dark ages, e.g at a social event married couples all sit together and single people are actually told it’s a married only table and are ostracised. Thankfully this doesn’t extend to the younger generations who could certainly teach the adults a thing or two.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Everybody is related to everybody, the schools are full of third generation pupils and it’s a very tight knit community. </p>
<p>It’s a collection of cliques which are impossible to break into, the school run clique, the church clique, etc. The town lives in the dark ages, e.g at a social event married couples all sit together and single people are actually told it’s a married only table and are ostracised. Thankfully this doesn’t extend to the younger generations who could certainly teach the adults a thing or two.</p>
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		<title>By: podrock</title>
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		<dc:creator>podrock</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 07 Dec 2021 01:03:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hadn&#039;t been exposed to enough solar radiation to get purple but still a treasured find.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hadn&#8217;t been exposed to enough solar radiation to get purple but still a treasured find.</p>
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		<title>By: RobVG</title>
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		<dc:creator>RobVG</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 06 Dec 2021 23:09:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;Like&quot;</description>
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		<title>By: RobVG</title>
		<link>https://habitablezone.com/2021/12/05/what-is-it-about-modern-life/#comment-47629</link>
		<dc:creator>RobVG</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 06 Dec 2021 23:08:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Locate the outhouse and start digging...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Locate the outhouse and start digging&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: podrock</title>
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		<dc:creator>podrock</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 06 Dec 2021 18:39:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>That&#039;s a line from the song &quot;Starship Troopers&quot; by the progressive rock band YES, 1971.

I&#039;ve heard it many times over the decades, and I still don&#039;t quite know what it means, but it has given me comfort.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>That&#8217;s a line from the song &#8220;Starship Troopers&#8221; by the progressive rock band YES, 1971.</p>
<p>I&#8217;ve heard it many times over the decades, and I still don&#8217;t quite know what it means, but it has given me comfort.</p>
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		<title>By: ER</title>
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		<dc:creator>ER</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 06 Dec 2021 05:16:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>everyone we knew also knew each other.  Today, all our family, friends and acquaintances are separated, we communicate only infrequently, and rarely in person.  We don&#039;t usually know our next-door neighbor.   And few of our friends and acquaintances know one another.

We seek community.  I had it when I worked, from my colleagues.  Today, I am not close to anyone except my wife.  My few remaining relatives live hundreds of miles away.  The last time I recall knowing a great number of people who also knew one another was when I was a student. I miss that time, and I know why.  I had a tribe.

This is not a healthy social environment for highly evolved primates.  But we have the Zone...

We evolved over thousands of years in small bands, of at most a few dozen members, mostly family.  We&#039;ve been living in cities for only a small fraction of our species&#039; time on this planet.  And we have relied on electronic communication for only a few generations.  Its only a matter of time before the inevitable neuroses start popping up.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>everyone we knew also knew each other.  Today, all our family, friends and acquaintances are separated, we communicate only infrequently, and rarely in person.  We don&#8217;t usually know our next-door neighbor.   And few of our friends and acquaintances know one another.</p>
<p>We seek community.  I had it when I worked, from my colleagues.  Today, I am not close to anyone except my wife.  My few remaining relatives live hundreds of miles away.  The last time I recall knowing a great number of people who also knew one another was when I was a student. I miss that time, and I know why.  I had a tribe.</p>
<p>This is not a healthy social environment for highly evolved primates.  But we have the Zone&#8230;</p>
<p>We evolved over thousands of years in small bands, of at most a few dozen members, mostly family.  We&#8217;ve been living in cities for only a small fraction of our species&#8217; time on this planet.  And we have relied on electronic communication for only a few generations.  Its only a matter of time before the inevitable neuroses start popping up.</p>
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		<title>By: Sui</title>
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		<dc:creator>Sui</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 06 Dec 2021 04:44:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>..but perhaps the lack of the internet made it better not worse. 

Comparison is the thief of joy and all that but you can see so much more in the way of people socialising, even during a pandemic, when you have the internet and not just the neighbours.

I’ve seen similar cabins to those you describe on many Scottish islands that were victims of the clearances, or perhaps a success depending on your point of view. Mingulay is a good example.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>..but perhaps the lack of the internet made it better not worse. </p>
<p>Comparison is the thief of joy and all that but you can see so much more in the way of people socialising, even during a pandemic, when you have the internet and not just the neighbours.</p>
<p>I’ve seen similar cabins to those you describe on many Scottish islands that were victims of the clearances, or perhaps a success depending on your point of view. Mingulay is a good example.</p>
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		<title>By: podrock</title>
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		<dc:creator>podrock</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 06 Dec 2021 04:33:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>When doing field work, I&#039;d often come upon the ruins of a cabin next to a hardscrabble mine far from any hint of a road. The roof is long gone, the walls barely there, a cast iron stove sitting amidst the ruins, defiant against the elements.

I think about the people that lived there, a hundred years ago, out in the desert or up on the high passes and how they spent their days. Or their nights, far from family, deciding how much candlelight could be afforded for comfort while penning a letter to loved ones that would not be read for months, if ever.

We are lucky to have this and other internet interfaces to communicate and be less alone. Imagine having the pandemic and no internet? Our grandparents did that.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>When doing field work, I&#8217;d often come upon the ruins of a cabin next to a hardscrabble mine far from any hint of a road. The roof is long gone, the walls barely there, a cast iron stove sitting amidst the ruins, defiant against the elements.</p>
<p>I think about the people that lived there, a hundred years ago, out in the desert or up on the high passes and how they spent their days. Or their nights, far from family, deciding how much candlelight could be afforded for comfort while penning a letter to loved ones that would not be read for months, if ever.</p>
<p>We are lucky to have this and other internet interfaces to communicate and be less alone. Imagine having the pandemic and no internet? Our grandparents did that.</p>
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