<?xml version="1.0" encoding="UTF-8"?><rss version="2.0"
	xmlns:content="http://purl.org/rss/1.0/modules/content/"
	xmlns:dc="http://purl.org/dc/elements/1.1/"
	xmlns:atom="http://www.w3.org/2005/Atom"
	xmlns:sy="http://purl.org/rss/1.0/modules/syndication/"
		>
<channel>
	<title>Comments on: Movie plot</title>
	<atom:link href="http://habitablezone.com/2022/01/03/movie-plot/feed/" rel="self" type="application/rss+xml" />
	<link>https://habitablezone.com/2022/01/03/movie-plot/</link>
	<description></description>
	<lastBuildDate>Tue, 07 Apr 2026 19:18:10 -0700</lastBuildDate>
	<sy:updatePeriod>hourly</sy:updatePeriod>
	<sy:updateFrequency>1</sy:updateFrequency>
	<generator>http://wordpress.org/?v=3.3.1</generator>
	<item>
		<title>By: podrock</title>
		<link>https://habitablezone.com/2022/01/03/movie-plot/#comment-47959</link>
		<dc:creator>podrock</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 05 Jan 2022 00:41:10 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid isPermaLink="false">https://www.habitablezone.com/?p=90527#comment-47959</guid>
		<description>Web observes obvious signs of advanced life in the atmosphere on an exo planet. Then the accusations of it all being fake begin.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Web observes obvious signs of advanced life in the atmosphere on an exo planet. Then the accusations of it all being fake begin.</p>
]]></content:encoded>
	</item>
	<item>
		<title>By: RobVG</title>
		<link>https://habitablezone.com/2022/01/03/movie-plot/#comment-47958</link>
		<dc:creator>RobVG</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 04 Jan 2022 23:53:27 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid isPermaLink="false">https://www.habitablezone.com/?p=90527#comment-47958</guid>
		<description>Martin maybe.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Martin maybe.</p>
]]></content:encoded>
	</item>
	<item>
		<title>By: ER</title>
		<link>https://habitablezone.com/2022/01/03/movie-plot/#comment-47957</link>
		<dc:creator>ER</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 04 Jan 2022 22:16:26 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid isPermaLink="false">https://www.habitablezone.com/?p=90527#comment-47957</guid>
		<description>No, the part is made for Charlie Sheen.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>No, the part is made for Charlie Sheen.</p>
]]></content:encoded>
	</item>
	<item>
		<title>By: RobVG</title>
		<link>https://habitablezone.com/2022/01/03/movie-plot/#comment-47956</link>
		<dc:creator>RobVG</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 04 Jan 2022 21:30:08 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid isPermaLink="false">https://www.habitablezone.com/?p=90527#comment-47956</guid>
		<description>Scientist with scheduled time on the telescope would be the first to fear for their families and their own lives. 

A robust misinformation campaign would immediately label information leaks as conspiracy theory akin to flat-earthers and moon landing deniers. 

The hero could be an individual or group who finds a way to expose the truth.   

I see Matt Damon as the lead ;)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Scientist with scheduled time on the telescope would be the first to fear for their families and their own lives. </p>
<p>A robust misinformation campaign would immediately label information leaks as conspiracy theory akin to flat-earthers and moon landing deniers. </p>
<p>The hero could be an individual or group who finds a way to expose the truth.   </p>
<p>I see Matt Damon as the lead <img src='https://habitablezone.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_wink.gif' alt=';)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
]]></content:encoded>
	</item>
	<item>
		<title>By: ER</title>
		<link>https://habitablezone.com/2022/01/03/movie-plot/#comment-47953</link>
		<dc:creator>ER</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 04 Jan 2022 17:47:59 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid isPermaLink="false">https://www.habitablezone.com/?p=90527#comment-47953</guid>
		<description>but not in practice.

Yes, you won&#039;t fool the scientists for long, but the public is not educated in science; nor in critical thinking of any kind.

Think about tobacco carcinogens, agricultural pesticides, lead fuel additives, and yes, climate change.  As for historical examples, look back to all the social Darwinism, racial and eugenics propaganda pushed by the NAZIs.  And then there was Stalin&#039;s Lysenkoism... The truth will out, eventually, but in the short term it is profits and power that rule.

Scientist deal in truth.  They may be mistaken at times, but as a rule they are not malicious.  They are no match against the movers and shakers of commerce and politics.  For them, truth is negotiable, a mere academic abstraction; something to be &lt;em&gt;managed&lt;/em&gt;.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>but not in practice.</p>
<p>Yes, you won&#8217;t fool the scientists for long, but the public is not educated in science; nor in critical thinking of any kind.</p>
<p>Think about tobacco carcinogens, agricultural pesticides, lead fuel additives, and yes, climate change.  As for historical examples, look back to all the social Darwinism, racial and eugenics propaganda pushed by the NAZIs.  And then there was Stalin&#8217;s Lysenkoism&#8230; The truth will out, eventually, but in the short term it is profits and power that rule.</p>
<p>Scientist deal in truth.  They may be mistaken at times, but as a rule they are not malicious.  They are no match against the movers and shakers of commerce and politics.  For them, truth is negotiable, a mere academic abstraction; something to be <em>managed</em>.</p>
]]></content:encoded>
	</item>
	<item>
		<title>By: RL</title>
		<link>https://habitablezone.com/2022/01/03/movie-plot/#comment-47952</link>
		<dc:creator>RL</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 04 Jan 2022 16:44:10 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid isPermaLink="false">https://www.habitablezone.com/?p=90527#comment-47952</guid>
		<description>And no matter what the media says, IF attempt to falsify scientific data on that scale was made it would very quickly become apparent. Little inconsistencies would start piling up, and gaining more and more attention... I stand by my position- unless you shut down the entire scientific process it would simply not be practical to attempt such a thing.


HUGE political and economic interests tried to suppress the science of climate change... they may have swayed a few rubes in the public, but the science kept marching on.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>And no matter what the media says, IF attempt to falsify scientific data on that scale was made it would very quickly become apparent. Little inconsistencies would start piling up, and gaining more and more attention&#8230; I stand by my position- unless you shut down the entire scientific process it would simply not be practical to attempt such a thing.</p>
<p>HUGE political and economic interests tried to suppress the science of climate change&#8230; they may have swayed a few rubes in the public, but the science kept marching on.</p>
]]></content:encoded>
	</item>
	<item>
		<title>By: ER</title>
		<link>https://habitablezone.com/2022/01/03/movie-plot/#comment-47951</link>
		<dc:creator>ER</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 04 Jan 2022 14:10:27 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid isPermaLink="false">https://www.habitablezone.com/?p=90527#comment-47951</guid>
		<description>...but if you control the media, or a major portion of it, you can simply overwhelm those who try to publicize the truth by disseminating misinformation.  If you control the courts, you can simply remove through legal action (if not outright terrorism) those who contradict the lies.  And if you control the culture, you can simply make all objections to the party line anathema to the general public by associating them with irreligious or unpatriotic activities and ideologies.  Most important, if you control the political apparatus, you can reinforce those controls so it becomes increasingly difficult, if not downright dangerous, to counteract the lie.  Jackbooted thugs are no longer necessary, have you been to any school board meetings lately?

Evidence and scientific method has nothing to do with it.

The twentieth century worked out all the technologies and procedures to implement this scenario.  Look at how many outright Big Lies are now routinely accepted by substantial portions of the population in spite of abundant evidence to the contrary.  And even more important, consider how many individuals and institutions do not even remotely believe these Lies, but still actively promote them because it otherwise furthers their political, economic or cultural agenda.

Follow the money.  I agree that it is highly unlikely (for the reasons you point out) that Rob&#039;s hypothetical scenario would ever materialize, but if someone could devise a way to make it promote their wealth or power, it would quickly become inevitable.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8230;but if you control the media, or a major portion of it, you can simply overwhelm those who try to publicize the truth by disseminating misinformation.  If you control the courts, you can simply remove through legal action (if not outright terrorism) those who contradict the lies.  And if you control the culture, you can simply make all objections to the party line anathema to the general public by associating them with irreligious or unpatriotic activities and ideologies.  Most important, if you control the political apparatus, you can reinforce those controls so it becomes increasingly difficult, if not downright dangerous, to counteract the lie.  Jackbooted thugs are no longer necessary, have you been to any school board meetings lately?</p>
<p>Evidence and scientific method has nothing to do with it.</p>
<p>The twentieth century worked out all the technologies and procedures to implement this scenario.  Look at how many outright Big Lies are now routinely accepted by substantial portions of the population in spite of abundant evidence to the contrary.  And even more important, consider how many individuals and institutions do not even remotely believe these Lies, but still actively promote them because it otherwise furthers their political, economic or cultural agenda.</p>
<p>Follow the money.  I agree that it is highly unlikely (for the reasons you point out) that Rob&#8217;s hypothetical scenario would ever materialize, but if someone could devise a way to make it promote their wealth or power, it would quickly become inevitable.</p>
]]></content:encoded>
	</item>
	<item>
		<title>By: RL</title>
		<link>https://habitablezone.com/2022/01/03/movie-plot/#comment-47948</link>
		<dc:creator>RL</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 04 Jan 2022 03:14:16 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid isPermaLink="false">https://www.habitablezone.com/?p=90527#comment-47948</guid>
		<description>And there are plenty of observatories that could simply look at it and see that its not performing corrections to stay in L2- L2 is a point of UNSTABLE equilibrium.

Imagine a marble inside a bowl... it will stay in the bowl indefinitely unless a large amount of energy is imparted to it- that is the situation satellites that orbit the Earth are in...

Now, turn the bowl over and balance the marble on top- it can be done, but its not stable. Now add a oscillating fan pointing at the bowl... this is the situation the JWST is in- the fan is the solar radiation pushing on its huge sunshield. To keep the &#039;marble&#039; balanced you are constantly having to put energy into the system to keep it balanced.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>And there are plenty of observatories that could simply look at it and see that its not performing corrections to stay in L2- L2 is a point of UNSTABLE equilibrium.</p>
<p>Imagine a marble inside a bowl&#8230; it will stay in the bowl indefinitely unless a large amount of energy is imparted to it- that is the situation satellites that orbit the Earth are in&#8230;</p>
<p>Now, turn the bowl over and balance the marble on top- it can be done, but its not stable. Now add a oscillating fan pointing at the bowl&#8230; this is the situation the JWST is in- the fan is the solar radiation pushing on its huge sunshield. To keep the &#8216;marble&#8217; balanced you are constantly having to put energy into the system to keep it balanced.</p>
]]></content:encoded>
	</item>
	<item>
		<title>By: Kirikiri</title>
		<link>https://habitablezone.com/2022/01/03/movie-plot/#comment-47945</link>
		<dc:creator>Kirikiri</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 04 Jan 2022 02:32:54 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid isPermaLink="false">https://www.habitablezone.com/?p=90527#comment-47945</guid>
		<description>Also like </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Also like</p>
]]></content:encoded>
	</item>
	<item>
		<title>By: RobVG</title>
		<link>https://habitablezone.com/2022/01/03/movie-plot/#comment-47943</link>
		<dc:creator>RobVG</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 04 Jan 2022 00:47:38 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid isPermaLink="false">https://www.habitablezone.com/?p=90527#comment-47943</guid>
		<description>&quot;Like&quot;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;Like&#8221;</p>
]]></content:encoded>
	</item>
</channel>
</rss>
