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	<title>Comments on: It’s 70 degrees warmer than normal in eastern Antarctica. Scientists are flabbergasted.</title>
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		<title>By: podrock</title>
		<link>https://habitablezone.com/2022/03/18/its-70-degrees-warmer-than-normal-in-eastern-antarctica-scientists-are-flabbergasted/#comment-49012</link>
		<dc:creator>podrock</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 20 Mar 2022 15:04:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>My intro geology prof spent several seasons there. Told amazing stories. And I know one of the current leading researchers in Antarctica.</description>
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		<title>By: podrock</title>
		<link>https://habitablezone.com/2022/03/18/its-70-degrees-warmer-than-normal-in-eastern-antarctica-scientists-are-flabbergasted/#comment-49011</link>
		<dc:creator>podrock</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 20 Mar 2022 15:01:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>envy!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>envy!</p>
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		<title>By: Pebble</title>
		<link>https://habitablezone.com/2022/03/18/its-70-degrees-warmer-than-normal-in-eastern-antarctica-scientists-are-flabbergasted/#comment-49008</link>
		<dc:creator>Pebble</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 20 Mar 2022 10:13:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Even Greenland is not all ice though, I have photos of icebergs and meadows full of flowers.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Even Greenland is not all ice though, I have photos of icebergs and meadows full of flowers.</p>
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		<title>By: Pebble</title>
		<link>https://habitablezone.com/2022/03/18/its-70-degrees-warmer-than-normal-in-eastern-antarctica-scientists-are-flabbergasted/#comment-49007</link>
		<dc:creator>Pebble</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 20 Mar 2022 10:12:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It’s not all frozen, the dry valleys are a desert. No ice in sight.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It’s not all frozen, the dry valleys are a desert. No ice in sight.</p>
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		<title>By: podrock</title>
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		<dc:creator>podrock</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 20 Mar 2022 02:39:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>As far as we can tell from the geologic record, they can collapse quickly. How fast? Don&#039;t have good data on that.

But some of the floods from the Laurentian Ice sheet, itself kilometers thick, were pretty huge. Some studies of the flooding of Doggerland (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Doggerland) was of the sea rising very fast, enough to noticed in months.

Glaciers don&#039;t just melt from above, they melt from below, as surface melt sinks to the bedrock. There, it doesn&#039;t just melt the ice above, it lifts it. Hydrostatic lift. Not lubricate the bedrock ice interface, lifts the glacier up. And there are huge pockets of water under that ice right now.


The old Mile High Stadium in Denver could convert from football to baseball by moving a huge structure on a thin film of pressurized water. (https://www.thedenverchannel.com/sports/broncos/when-mile-high-stadium-floated-on-water-the-broncos-old-home-transformed-in-hours).

But Greenland will collapse first.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>As far as we can tell from the geologic record, they can collapse quickly. How fast? Don&#8217;t have good data on that.</p>
<p>But some of the floods from the Laurentian Ice sheet, itself kilometers thick, were pretty huge. Some studies of the flooding of Doggerland (<a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Doggerland" rel="nofollow">https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Doggerland</a>) was of the sea rising very fast, enough to noticed in months.</p>
<p>Glaciers don&#8217;t just melt from above, they melt from below, as surface melt sinks to the bedrock. There, it doesn&#8217;t just melt the ice above, it lifts it. Hydrostatic lift. Not lubricate the bedrock ice interface, lifts the glacier up. And there are huge pockets of water under that ice right now.</p>
<p>The old Mile High Stadium in Denver could convert from football to baseball by moving a huge structure on a thin film of pressurized water. (<a href="https://www.thedenverchannel.com/sports/broncos/when-mile-high-stadium-floated-on-water-the-broncos-old-home-transformed-in-hours" rel="nofollow">https://www.thedenverchannel.com/sports/broncos/when-mile-high-stadium-floated-on-water-the-broncos-old-home-transformed-in-hours</a>).</p>
<p>But Greenland will collapse first.</p>
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		<title>By: ER</title>
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		<dc:creator>ER</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 19 Mar 2022 23:26:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The Antarctic ice cap is miles thick.  No matter how hot it gets, it will be there for the foreseeable future and will exercise a moderating effect.

The Arctic ice, OTOH, is only a few feet thick. It could all be gone in one hot summer, and it may be permanently gone in just a few decades.  The Arctic also has a much greater effect on the N hemisphere than Antarctica has on the S.

And if the Arctic ice melts, the summer sun will heat up the Arctic Ocean so much it may never come back.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The Antarctic ice cap is miles thick.  No matter how hot it gets, it will be there for the foreseeable future and will exercise a moderating effect.</p>
<p>The Arctic ice, OTOH, is only a few feet thick. It could all be gone in one hot summer, and it may be permanently gone in just a few decades.  The Arctic also has a much greater effect on the N hemisphere than Antarctica has on the S.</p>
<p>And if the Arctic ice melts, the summer sun will heat up the Arctic Ocean so much it may never come back.</p>
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		<title>By: podrock</title>
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		<dc:creator>podrock</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 19 Mar 2022 21:51:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Not cherry picking. Just trained to observe anomalies.

The Antarctic scares me, I&#039;ll be honest, when it comes to climate change. More so than the Arctic. Maybe not in the remaining years of my life, but the way things are going, the ice cap will collapse. And the effects will be observed over months, not decades.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Not cherry picking. Just trained to observe anomalies.</p>
<p>The Antarctic scares me, I&#8217;ll be honest, when it comes to climate change. More so than the Arctic. Maybe not in the remaining years of my life, but the way things are going, the ice cap will collapse. And the effects will be observed over months, not decades.</p>
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		<title>By: ER</title>
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		<dc:creator>ER</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 19 Mar 2022 21:18:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>like the Zone&#039;s climate skeptics used to do.  It destroys the credibility of the data.

In summer, 2012, there was a catastrophic collapse of summer Sea Ice Extent in the Arctic, and some climate scientists felt the end of the world was upon us.  It turns out the anomalous extreme dip was due to a combination of circumstances, due to local and short term weather, current and sea state. Sep 2012 still has the record.  Since then, there has been no lower SIE.  The denialists seized on this in order to discredit the entire idea.

Of course, if you look at the data over time, the trend is obvious. I won&#039;t get ambushed by those scumbags again.

https://nsidc.org/arcticseaicenews/files/2021/10/Figure-3-sept2021-388x300.png

&lt;img src=&quot;https://nsidc.org/arcticseaicenews/files/2021/10/Figure-3-sept2021-388x300.png&quot; alt=&quot;.&quot; /&gt;

For a more detailed look, use this:

https://nsidc.org/arcticseaicenews/charctic-interactive-sea-ice-graph/</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>like the Zone&#8217;s climate skeptics used to do.  It destroys the credibility of the data.</p>
<p>In summer, 2012, there was a catastrophic collapse of summer Sea Ice Extent in the Arctic, and some climate scientists felt the end of the world was upon us.  It turns out the anomalous extreme dip was due to a combination of circumstances, due to local and short term weather, current and sea state. Sep 2012 still has the record.  Since then, there has been no lower SIE.  The denialists seized on this in order to discredit the entire idea.</p>
<p>Of course, if you look at the data over time, the trend is obvious. I won&#8217;t get ambushed by those scumbags again.</p>
<p><a href="https://nsidc.org/arcticseaicenews/files/2021/10/Figure-3-sept2021-388x300.png" rel="nofollow">https://nsidc.org/arcticseaicenews/files/2021/10/Figure-3-sept2021-388&#215;300.png</a></p>
<p><img src="https://nsidc.org/arcticseaicenews/files/2021/10/Figure-3-sept2021-388x300.png" alt="." /></p>
<p>For a more detailed look, use this:</p>
<p><a href="https://nsidc.org/arcticseaicenews/charctic-interactive-sea-ice-graph/" rel="nofollow">https://nsidc.org/arcticseaicenews/charctic-interactive-sea-ice-graph/</a></p>
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		<title>By: podrock</title>
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		<dc:creator>podrock</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 19 Mar 2022 19:42:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>https://theconversation.com/explainer-how-the-antarctic-circumpolar-current-helps-keep-antarctica-frozen-106164</description>
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		<title>By: ER</title>
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		<dc:creator>ER</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 19 Mar 2022 16:06:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This may not be as bad as it looks.  It may just be a statistical blip, an outlier or data anomaly.  The Antarctic sea ice is highly variable, although over long terms it is quite stable.  This is probably due to the fact that it is continent of mile-thick ice surrounded by a deep ocean, while at the North Pole you have a thin ice crust a few meters thick floating  on the sea.

There is an extensive discussion of this at nsidc.org.  Yes, there is global warming, but it seems to affect the Northern Hemisphere more than the South.  Unfortunately, that is where most of the land, and the people, are.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This may not be as bad as it looks.  It may just be a statistical blip, an outlier or data anomaly.  The Antarctic sea ice is highly variable, although over long terms it is quite stable.  This is probably due to the fact that it is continent of mile-thick ice surrounded by a deep ocean, while at the North Pole you have a thin ice crust a few meters thick floating  on the sea.</p>
<p>There is an extensive discussion of this at nsidc.org.  Yes, there is global warming, but it seems to affect the Northern Hemisphere more than the South.  Unfortunately, that is where most of the land, and the people, are.</p>
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