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		<title>By: ER</title>
		<link>https://habitablezone.com/2022/03/25/russia-reframes-its-goals-for-ukraine-invasion/#comment-49140</link>
		<dc:creator>ER</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 26 Mar 2022 18:20:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The battle at Midway started off with 4 carriers for Japan, 3 for the US. And one of our carriers, Yorktown, had been only hastily repaired from severe damage in the Battle of the Coral Sea a few months earlier.  (The US also lost the fleet carrier USS Lexington at Coral Sea.)The IJN had a vast superiority in planes, even counting our land based aircraft stationed at Midway. 

Japan lost all 4 biggest of her biggest carriers, (the same ones that had attacked Pearl Harbor a few months earlier) and all their skilled pilots and their planes. It was their primary strike force. 

The US lost one carrier, Yorktown, at Midway The US did lose a lot of planes and pilots, but with our industrial power, were quickly replaced.  In fact, planes, pilots and ships were already being prepared for war even as the battle was being fought.

Japan never was able to catch up, after Midway, she knew that the Pearl Harbor raid would only leave her a window of a year or so before America&#039;s industrial power surpassed her.  Japan was on the defensive immediately after the battle, so it was indeed a strategic victory for us.  But with a 4-3 advantage in fleet carriers at the start converted to a 0-2 shortfall, it was also a tactical disaster for the Japanese.  I&#039;m sure their naval Leadership was well aware of that.  Or should have been.

But be that as it may, reading that IJN action report tells us today that they were doing their best to psychologically minimize the scale and impact of the loss, if not to their political leadership, then to to themselves.

The characterization of tactical defeat/strategic victory could be applied to the Battle of the Coral Sea, a few months earlier.  The two opponents were of roughly equal strength, and we sustained heavier losses than the Japanese, but the Japanese advance in the Western Pacific was stopped, buying the Allies time.

The time between Pearl Harbor and Midway must have been been one of dread and despair for those Americans who actually knew the situation in the Pacific.  It was our finest hour.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The battle at Midway started off with 4 carriers for Japan, 3 for the US. And one of our carriers, Yorktown, had been only hastily repaired from severe damage in the Battle of the Coral Sea a few months earlier.  (The US also lost the fleet carrier USS Lexington at Coral Sea.)The IJN had a vast superiority in planes, even counting our land based aircraft stationed at Midway. </p>
<p>Japan lost all 4 biggest of her biggest carriers, (the same ones that had attacked Pearl Harbor a few months earlier) and all their skilled pilots and their planes. It was their primary strike force. </p>
<p>The US lost one carrier, Yorktown, at Midway The US did lose a lot of planes and pilots, but with our industrial power, were quickly replaced.  In fact, planes, pilots and ships were already being prepared for war even as the battle was being fought.</p>
<p>Japan never was able to catch up, after Midway, she knew that the Pearl Harbor raid would only leave her a window of a year or so before America&#8217;s industrial power surpassed her.  Japan was on the defensive immediately after the battle, so it was indeed a strategic victory for us.  But with a 4-3 advantage in fleet carriers at the start converted to a 0-2 shortfall, it was also a tactical disaster for the Japanese.  I&#8217;m sure their naval Leadership was well aware of that.  Or should have been.</p>
<p>But be that as it may, reading that IJN action report tells us today that they were doing their best to psychologically minimize the scale and impact of the loss, if not to their political leadership, then to to themselves.</p>
<p>The characterization of tactical defeat/strategic victory could be applied to the Battle of the Coral Sea, a few months earlier.  The two opponents were of roughly equal strength, and we sustained heavier losses than the Japanese, but the Japanese advance in the Western Pacific was stopped, buying the Allies time.</p>
<p>The time between Pearl Harbor and Midway must have been been one of dread and despair for those Americans who actually knew the situation in the Pacific.  It was our finest hour.</p>
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		<title>By: BuckGalaxy</title>
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		<dc:creator>BuckGalaxy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 26 Mar 2022 17:04:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>In terms of kills and loses, Midway was roughly a draw.  But strategically it was as you said a huge victory for the US.  Had the Japanese won they likely would have invaded Hawaii next.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In terms of kills and loses, Midway was roughly a draw.  But strategically it was as you said a huge victory for the US.  Had the Japanese won they likely would have invaded Hawaii next.</p>
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		<title>By: ER</title>
		<link>https://habitablezone.com/2022/03/25/russia-reframes-its-goals-for-ukraine-invasion/#comment-49137</link>
		<dc:creator>ER</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 26 Mar 2022 13:03:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Its entirely possible the Russian High Command actually believes its own obfuscations.

After the end of WWII, US authorities acquired the Imperial Japanese Navy&#039;s after-action report on the Battle of Midway in 1942.  Reading the report, it is impossible to arrive at the conclusion that the Japanese lost!  In their eyes, the results were, at best, inconclusive.  We know today that this engagement was one of the most decisive in history.  In a matter of hours, the Japanese war effort transformed from a victorious rampage against the Allies to a complete turning point and a slow but painful retreat.  the IJN lost 4 carriers, all their aircraft and their best pilots.  They never recovered.

No one can accuse Japanese naval planners of incompetence, they were brilliant, but reading this report should demonstrate how even the best military minds are capable of deluding themselves; or at least, of covering their asses so effectively they are incapable of recognizing, much less correcting, their mistakes.

https://www.history.navy.mil/research/library/online-reading-room/title-list-alphabetically/j/japanese-story-of-the-battle-of-midway.html</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Its entirely possible the Russian High Command actually believes its own obfuscations.</p>
<p>After the end of WWII, US authorities acquired the Imperial Japanese Navy&#8217;s after-action report on the Battle of Midway in 1942.  Reading the report, it is impossible to arrive at the conclusion that the Japanese lost!  In their eyes, the results were, at best, inconclusive.  We know today that this engagement was one of the most decisive in history.  In a matter of hours, the Japanese war effort transformed from a victorious rampage against the Allies to a complete turning point and a slow but painful retreat.  the IJN lost 4 carriers, all their aircraft and their best pilots.  They never recovered.</p>
<p>No one can accuse Japanese naval planners of incompetence, they were brilliant, but reading this report should demonstrate how even the best military minds are capable of deluding themselves; or at least, of covering their asses so effectively they are incapable of recognizing, much less correcting, their mistakes.</p>
<p><a href="https://www.history.navy.mil/research/library/online-reading-room/title-list-alphabetically/j/japanese-story-of-the-battle-of-midway.html" rel="nofollow">https://www.history.navy.mil/research/library/online-reading-room/title-list-alphabetically/j/japanese-story-of-the-battle-of-midway.html</a></p>
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		<title>By: ER</title>
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		<dc:creator>ER</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 26 Mar 2022 11:57:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>And any autocrat who has so obviously and visibly failed will be likely to do something really foolish to avoid being disgraced.  He is not the kind of man to realize that the ultimate sign of courage and leadership is the willingness to be publicly humiliated in order to save one&#039;s followers a devastating defeat.  Putin is not Emperor Hirohito.  Like Hitler in his bunker, he will drag his country down into the abyss with him rather than suffer a personal humiliation.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>And any autocrat who has so obviously and visibly failed will be likely to do something really foolish to avoid being disgraced.  He is not the kind of man to realize that the ultimate sign of courage and leadership is the willingness to be publicly humiliated in order to save one&#8217;s followers a devastating defeat.  Putin is not Emperor Hirohito.  Like Hitler in his bunker, he will drag his country down into the abyss with him rather than suffer a personal humiliation.</p>
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		<title>By: BuckGalaxy</title>
		<link>https://habitablezone.com/2022/03/25/russia-reframes-its-goals-for-ukraine-invasion/#comment-49132</link>
		<dc:creator>BuckGalaxy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 26 Mar 2022 03:15:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Ukraine has about 90k troops who are battle hardened from years of fighting pro-russian separatists in eastern Ukraine&#039;s Donbas region.  Word is they are on the offensive in a number of different parts of Ukraine now.  Putin has pissed away decades of political, economic and diplomatic capital with the rest of the world for an utterly failed dream of reestablishing the Soviet empire. He has also seen the once feared russian army decimated and badly humbled.  The recalibration of russia&#039;s goals are absolutely an attempt to save face.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ukraine has about 90k troops who are battle hardened from years of fighting pro-russian separatists in eastern Ukraine&#8217;s Donbas region.  Word is they are on the offensive in a number of different parts of Ukraine now.  Putin has pissed away decades of political, economic and diplomatic capital with the rest of the world for an utterly failed dream of reestablishing the Soviet empire. He has also seen the once feared russian army decimated and badly humbled.  The recalibration of russia&#8217;s goals are absolutely an attempt to save face.</p>
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		<title>By: ER</title>
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		<dc:creator>ER</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 26 Mar 2022 02:54:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Biden is not going to repeat Obama&#039;s &quot;red line&quot; mistake.  He will react aggressively, my guess is a long range bomber strike into a Russian stronghold deep inside Ukraine&#039;s borders.  Putin would be wise not to escalate, but he hasn&#039;t been thinking too straight lately.  There&#039;s no telling how he will react.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Biden is not going to repeat Obama&#8217;s &#8220;red line&#8221; mistake.  He will react aggressively, my guess is a long range bomber strike into a Russian stronghold deep inside Ukraine&#8217;s borders.  Putin would be wise not to escalate, but he hasn&#8217;t been thinking too straight lately.  There&#8217;s no telling how he will react.</p>
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