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		<title>By: ER</title>
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		<dc:creator>ER</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 30 May 2022 20:47:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>As I mention earlier, the only thing I can think of that makes any sense is that they are using highly concentrated hydrogen peroxide as a source, when it decomposes water and heat and oxygen are the by products (2 H2O2 -&gt; 2 H2O + O2 ).  But I cannot see this stuff in a household installation, its highly unstable and very dangerous to handle and store. Plus, as I mentioned, it takes a great deal of energy to make the stuff.

Not familiar with the SF tale.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>As I mention earlier, the only thing I can think of that makes any sense is that they are using highly concentrated hydrogen peroxide as a source, when it decomposes water and heat and oxygen are the by products (2 H2O2 -&gt; 2 H2O + O2 ).  But I cannot see this stuff in a household installation, its highly unstable and very dangerous to handle and store. Plus, as I mentioned, it takes a great deal of energy to make the stuff.</p>
<p>Not familiar with the SF tale.</p>
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		<title>By: podrock</title>
		<link>https://habitablezone.com/2022/05/30/money-for-nothing/#comment-49979</link>
		<dc:creator>podrock</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 30 May 2022 20:08:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The water molecules are &quot;clumping&quot;?

Also, my brain is getting old, but wasn&#039;t there a Science Fiction novel or story about someone who invents a perpetual motion machine and instead of patenting it, he just gives it to the world?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The water molecules are &#8220;clumping&#8221;?</p>
<p>Also, my brain is getting old, but wasn&#8217;t there a Science Fiction novel or story about someone who invents a perpetual motion machine and instead of patenting it, he just gives it to the world?</p>
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		<title>By: ER</title>
		<link>https://habitablezone.com/2022/05/30/money-for-nothing/#comment-49974</link>
		<dc:creator>ER</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 30 May 2022 18:22:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>...we could assume this process somehow  alters the molecular structure of water.  IOW, the usual H2O molecule (actually, a solution of H+ and OH- ions) is somehow rearranged into a new collection of these &quot;molecular clusters&quot;.

But we&#039;re still talking about hydrogen and oxygen, there is no other element mentioned here that could be used for energy by combustion.  And when you burn hydrogen in oxygen, you get back the exact same energy you expended to rearrange the original water.

Actually, there is an industrial process that does this.  Using lots of electrical energy and catalysts you can convert water into hydrogen peroxide (H2O2) which is highly unstable and quickly breaks down into water and free oxygen, yielding a great deal of heat.  The NAZIs actually experimented with this process during the war and used it to power submarines with performance that rivaled some of our modern nuke boats!  Not only could these subs achieve 25 knot speeds submerged, the by products of the recombination reaction were simply steam and oxygen, the former drove the turbines, and the latter the crew could breath.

Fortunately for the Allies, like so many other NAZI wonder weapons, they were not available in sufficient numbers to make a difference.  They were extremely expensive, dangerous to operate, and prone to breakdowns, but they were deadly.  And it took a LOT of energy to produce the concentrated H2O2 they used for fuel.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Type_XVII_submarine</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8230;we could assume this process somehow  alters the molecular structure of water.  IOW, the usual H2O molecule (actually, a solution of H+ and OH- ions) is somehow rearranged into a new collection of these &#8220;molecular clusters&#8221;.</p>
<p>But we&#8217;re still talking about hydrogen and oxygen, there is no other element mentioned here that could be used for energy by combustion.  And when you burn hydrogen in oxygen, you get back the exact same energy you expended to rearrange the original water.</p>
<p>Actually, there is an industrial process that does this.  Using lots of electrical energy and catalysts you can convert water into hydrogen peroxide (H2O2) which is highly unstable and quickly breaks down into water and free oxygen, yielding a great deal of heat.  The NAZIs actually experimented with this process during the war and used it to power submarines with performance that rivaled some of our modern nuke boats!  Not only could these subs achieve 25 knot speeds submerged, the by products of the recombination reaction were simply steam and oxygen, the former drove the turbines, and the latter the crew could breath.</p>
<p>Fortunately for the Allies, like so many other NAZI wonder weapons, they were not available in sufficient numbers to make a difference.  They were extremely expensive, dangerous to operate, and prone to breakdowns, but they were deadly.  And it took a LOT of energy to produce the concentrated H2O2 they used for fuel.</p>
<p><a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Type_XVII_submarine" rel="nofollow">https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Type_XVII_submarine</a></p>
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		<title>By: podrock</title>
		<link>https://habitablezone.com/2022/05/30/money-for-nothing/#comment-49972</link>
		<dc:creator>podrock</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 30 May 2022 16:39:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Is a buzz word I look out for to discern bullshit. And they use it several times.

What gas is created? There are many light hydrocarbons. What is it? Methane? Propane? What&#039;s the chemical composition? Hydrocarbons have carbon. Where does that come from?

The needle on the BS meter has hit the peg with enough force to deform it.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Is a buzz word I look out for to discern bullshit. And they use it several times.</p>
<p>What gas is created? There are many light hydrocarbons. What is it? Methane? Propane? What&#8217;s the chemical composition? Hydrocarbons have carbon. Where does that come from?</p>
<p>The needle on the BS meter has hit the peg with enough force to deform it.</p>
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		<title>By: ER</title>
		<link>https://habitablezone.com/2022/05/30/money-for-nothing/#comment-49971</link>
		<dc:creator>ER</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 30 May 2022 13:17:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I bet someone just made a killing off KINETIC 7™ stock.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I bet someone just made a killing off KINETIC 7™ stock.</p>
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		<title>By: RL</title>
		<link>https://habitablezone.com/2022/05/30/money-for-nothing/#comment-49970</link>
		<dc:creator>RL</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 30 May 2022 13:06:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>We have had lunatics here on the zone that did a better job of throwing around &#039;sciencey&#039; terms to make bullshit claims.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>We have had lunatics here on the zone that did a better job of throwing around &#8216;sciencey&#8217; terms to make bullshit claims.</p>
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