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		<title>By: RobVG</title>
		<link>https://habitablezone.com/2022/07/16/question-6/#comment-50596</link>
		<dc:creator>RobVG</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 28 Jul 2022 01:04:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>They set a worlds record for an amateur rocket. 36 miles.

Here a good read on the project and one of it&#039;s engineers. It also follows his progress in designing an engine for Dick Rutan.

https://www.smithsonianmag.com/air-space-magazine/in-thrust-we-trust-18284054/?fbclid=IwAR2Zk2FMfQf-tpX_vpZuuslrkJjyKCD4McR_3YxLOP52UbjfzzEooYfr9FQ</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>They set a worlds record for an amateur rocket. 36 miles.</p>
<p>Here a good read on the project and one of it&#8217;s engineers. It also follows his progress in designing an engine for Dick Rutan.</p>
<p><a href="https://www.smithsonianmag.com/air-space-magazine/in-thrust-we-trust-18284054/?fbclid=IwAR2Zk2FMfQf-tpX_vpZuuslrkJjyKCD4McR_3YxLOP52UbjfzzEooYfr9FQ" rel="nofollow">https://www.smithsonianmag.com/air-space-magazine/in-thrust-we-trust-18284054/?fbclid=IwAR2Zk2FMfQf-tpX_vpZuuslrkJjyKCD4McR_3YxLOP52UbjfzzEooYfr9FQ</a></p>
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		<title>By: RobVG</title>
		<link>https://habitablezone.com/2022/07/16/question-6/#comment-50587</link>
		<dc:creator>RobVG</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 25 Jul 2022 02:49:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>That&#039;s  a possibility.  Fall away boosters with larger fins are commonplace. </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>That&#8217;s  a possibility.  Fall away boosters with larger fins are commonplace.</p>
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		<title>By: ER</title>
		<link>https://habitablezone.com/2022/07/16/question-6/#comment-50585</link>
		<dc:creator>ER</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 25 Jul 2022 00:35:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>They could be designed to fall off after the rocket picked up enough speed for the smaller fins to bite.

Or the first stage could have big fins, after it burned out and fell off, the 2nd stage would be going fast enough for smaller fins to get a bite on the air.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>They could be designed to fall off after the rocket picked up enough speed for the smaller fins to bite.</p>
<p>Or the first stage could have big fins, after it burned out and fell off, the 2nd stage would be going fast enough for smaller fins to get a bite on the air.</p>
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		<title>By: RobVG</title>
		<link>https://habitablezone.com/2022/07/16/question-6/#comment-50584</link>
		<dc:creator>RobVG</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 24 Jul 2022 19:58:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>But one that could be overcome. Model rockets are fin stabilize but thrust vectoring model rockets have become a reality. 

Check this out:

https://makezine.com/2019/10/25/build-your-own-thrust-vectored-rockets-for-vertical-landings-like-spacex/</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>But one that could be overcome. Model rockets are fin stabilize but thrust vectoring model rockets have become a reality. </p>
<p>Check this out:</p>
<p><a href="https://makezine.com/2019/10/25/build-your-own-thrust-vectored-rockets-for-vertical-landings-like-spacex/" rel="nofollow">https://makezine.com/2019/10/25/build-your-own-thrust-vectored-rockets-for-vertical-landings-like-spacex/</a></p>
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		<title>By: RobVG</title>
		<link>https://habitablezone.com/2022/07/16/question-6/#comment-50583</link>
		<dc:creator>RobVG</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 24 Jul 2022 01:59:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Good idea!</description>
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		<title>By: ER</title>
		<link>https://habitablezone.com/2022/07/16/question-6/#comment-50582</link>
		<dc:creator>ER</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 24 Jul 2022 00:30:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Balloons have a theoretical ceiling of about 20 miles.
And that&#039;s a start!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Balloons have a theoretical ceiling of about 20 miles.<br />
And that&#8217;s a start!</p>
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		<title>By: RobVG</title>
		<link>https://habitablezone.com/2022/07/16/question-6/#comment-50579</link>
		<dc:creator>RobVG</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 23 Jul 2022 22:15:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;a href=&quot;https://www.bing.com/ck/a?!&amp;&amp;p=8f5f73a6abed23a2JmltdHM9MTY1ODYxMzcyNSZpZ3VpZD1kYmRlNmIwZi00ODY0LTQ1NWEtODgzNS03YjQzZGU4Mjg2MDAmaW5zaWQ9NTQyMw&amp;ptn=3&amp;hsh=3&amp;fclid=166e20ea-0ad3-11ed-9a91-fac766efe278&amp;u=a1aHR0cHM6Ly9jb29scm9ja2V0c3R1ZmYuY29tL21vZGVsLXJvY2tldC1mYXEvaG93LWhpZ2gtY2FuLWEtbW9kZWwtcm9ja2V0LWdvJWUyJTgwJThiLyM6fjp0ZXh0PVdoYXQlMjBJcyUyMFRoZSUyMFN0cm9uZ2VzdCUyME1vZGVsJTIwUm9ja2V0JTIwRW5naW5lJTNGJTIwQ2VzYXJvbmksdHJhdmVsJTIwYXQlMjBzcGVlZHMlMjBvZiUyMHVwJTIwdG8lMjAxMCUyQzAwMCUyMG1waC4&amp;ntb=1&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Here&lt;/a&gt;</description>
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		<title>By: RobVG</title>
		<link>https://habitablezone.com/2022/07/16/question-6/#comment-50563</link>
		<dc:creator>RobVG</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 23 Jul 2022 03:02:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Great answer. Thanks again ER.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Great answer. Thanks again ER.</p>
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		<title>By: ER</title>
		<link>https://habitablezone.com/2022/07/16/question-6/#comment-50560</link>
		<dc:creator>ER</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 22 Jul 2022 17:12:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Except where the rocket is touching the ground or the launching stand or platform which may be touching the ground. The heat loss or gain there would be by conduction, the rocket or stand physically touching a hot or cold surface. Since there is no atmosphere, there is no fluid that can heat or cool the rocket by convection. The fluid can also act as an insulator, by interfering with the emission or absorption of radiation.

Whether your rocket/launch pad heats up or cools off by radiation depends on whether it is illuminated by the sun, absorbing radiated or reflected heat from nearby rocks, or by direct exposure to the cold darkness of space.

What I can&#039;t tell you is how fast or slow the item would heat or cool under those circumstances.  An engineer well-versed in thermodynamics would be the man to ask.  An object placed in space (away from sunlight) would eventually reach 3 degrees Kelvin, the temperature of the universe.  How long this would take would depend on the material it was made of (how close it approaches a perfect black-body radiator), and how hot it was to begin with.

What you need to remember is how an object gets into thermal equilibrium with its environment.  Heat will flow in or out of the object through physical contact with its surroundings (conduction).  Or, heat will be transferred in our out by contact with a fluid (convection).  The third method is by electromagnetic radiation, (energy is exchanged between the object and its surroundings by photons of light).  In the real world, all three of these processes occur simultaneously, in both directions, and when the object finally achieves equilibrium, it is losing and gaining heat at the exact same rate.

All three of these processes occur inside stars.  For example, deep in stellar interiors, the energy is generated by nuclear fusion processes in the core, and escapes into space at the surface by radiation.  Within the star, all three processes are occurring simultaneously.  In the core, the primary heat transfer mechanism is conduction.  Near the surface, the heat is carried primarily by convection, hot bubbles of plasma rising through the outer layers of the star.  Radiation occurs throughout, as atoms of plasma absorb photons and then re-emit them.  Whether conduction, convection or radiation is the dominant mode depends on the density, temperature, pressure and opacity of the plasma. What is going on in stellar interiors is governed by a handful of differential equations that relate these parameters.  After all, you can&#039;t alter any one of them without simultaneously affecting the others.

That is precisely the point in Astronomy grad school where I finally realized I don&#039;t really understand this shit, I&#039;m bailing out.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Except where the rocket is touching the ground or the launching stand or platform which may be touching the ground. The heat loss or gain there would be by conduction, the rocket or stand physically touching a hot or cold surface. Since there is no atmosphere, there is no fluid that can heat or cool the rocket by convection. The fluid can also act as an insulator, by interfering with the emission or absorption of radiation.</p>
<p>Whether your rocket/launch pad heats up or cools off by radiation depends on whether it is illuminated by the sun, absorbing radiated or reflected heat from nearby rocks, or by direct exposure to the cold darkness of space.</p>
<p>What I can&#8217;t tell you is how fast or slow the item would heat or cool under those circumstances.  An engineer well-versed in thermodynamics would be the man to ask.  An object placed in space (away from sunlight) would eventually reach 3 degrees Kelvin, the temperature of the universe.  How long this would take would depend on the material it was made of (how close it approaches a perfect black-body radiator), and how hot it was to begin with.</p>
<p>What you need to remember is how an object gets into thermal equilibrium with its environment.  Heat will flow in or out of the object through physical contact with its surroundings (conduction).  Or, heat will be transferred in our out by contact with a fluid (convection).  The third method is by electromagnetic radiation, (energy is exchanged between the object and its surroundings by photons of light).  In the real world, all three of these processes occur simultaneously, in both directions, and when the object finally achieves equilibrium, it is losing and gaining heat at the exact same rate.</p>
<p>All three of these processes occur inside stars.  For example, deep in stellar interiors, the energy is generated by nuclear fusion processes in the core, and escapes into space at the surface by radiation.  Within the star, all three processes are occurring simultaneously.  In the core, the primary heat transfer mechanism is conduction.  Near the surface, the heat is carried primarily by convection, hot bubbles of plasma rising through the outer layers of the star.  Radiation occurs throughout, as atoms of plasma absorb photons and then re-emit them.  Whether conduction, convection or radiation is the dominant mode depends on the density, temperature, pressure and opacity of the plasma. What is going on in stellar interiors is governed by a handful of differential equations that relate these parameters.  After all, you can&#8217;t alter any one of them without simultaneously affecting the others.</p>
<p>That is precisely the point in Astronomy grad school where I finally realized I don&#8217;t really understand this shit, I&#8217;m bailing out.</p>
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		<title>By: RobVG</title>
		<link>https://habitablezone.com/2022/07/16/question-6/#comment-50559</link>
		<dc:creator>RobVG</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 22 Jul 2022 14:49:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I asked because I run a model rocket group. Just for fun I proposed launching on the moon. Model rocket engines use a solid propellant with an oxidizer.

The moon is surrounded by the vacuum of space, the perfect insulator on earth. Does this mean the only heat loss experienced by the model would be mainly radiant?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I asked because I run a model rocket group. Just for fun I proposed launching on the moon. Model rocket engines use a solid propellant with an oxidizer.</p>
<p>The moon is surrounded by the vacuum of space, the perfect insulator on earth. Does this mean the only heat loss experienced by the model would be mainly radiant?</p>
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