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		<title>By: podrock</title>
		<link>https://habitablezone.com/2022/08/01/catholic-church-profiteering/#comment-50660</link>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 02 Aug 2022 21:32:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Presbyterian services are rather didactic, Episcopalian are Catholic light, Baptist can be energetic.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Presbyterian services are rather didactic, Episcopalian are Catholic light, Baptist can be energetic.</p>
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		<title>By: podrock</title>
		<link>https://habitablezone.com/2022/08/01/catholic-church-profiteering/#comment-50659</link>
		<dc:creator>podrock</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 02 Aug 2022 21:22:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Vatican II changed that in the 1960&#039;s. Still offered on high holidays and older parishes. In all my time I&#039;ve attended only two.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Vatican II changed that in the 1960&#8242;s. Still offered on high holidays and older parishes. In all my time I&#8217;ve attended only two.</p>
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		<title>By: Pebble</title>
		<link>https://habitablezone.com/2022/08/01/catholic-church-profiteering/#comment-50653</link>
		<dc:creator>Pebble</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 02 Aug 2022 09:14:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I have no time for organised religion. The church is hypocritical, judgemental and generally uncaring.

I had an incredible experience when I was losing a much wanted baby (it turned out I lost one of twins so all ended with a happy event) and a Muslim doctor saw my cross necklace and offered to pray with me if I welcomed it, her view was that we all shared one god in our own different ways, all equally valid.

As for RC priests, to tell a woman who had been raped that they are a sinner because of sex outside marriage  is beyond the pale. When said priest is later sent to prison for child abuse, well…..words can’t say what I thought of that. Hell is too good for people like him. 

I haven’t been to church for many years except when my job demands it. I have no time for the clergy except one, my former vicar who is the kindest person I know. I haven’t seen her for 12 years though we are very loosely in touch.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I have no time for organised religion. The church is hypocritical, judgemental and generally uncaring.</p>
<p>I had an incredible experience when I was losing a much wanted baby (it turned out I lost one of twins so all ended with a happy event) and a Muslim doctor saw my cross necklace and offered to pray with me if I welcomed it, her view was that we all shared one god in our own different ways, all equally valid.</p>
<p>As for RC priests, to tell a woman who had been raped that they are a sinner because of sex outside marriage  is beyond the pale. When said priest is later sent to prison for child abuse, well…..words can’t say what I thought of that. Hell is too good for people like him. </p>
<p>I haven’t been to church for many years except when my job demands it. I have no time for the clergy except one, my former vicar who is the kindest person I know. I haven’t seen her for 12 years though we are very loosely in touch.</p>
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		<title>By: ER</title>
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		<dc:creator>ER</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 02 Aug 2022 03:34:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Very little spirituality there, either.  The main message seems to be &quot;Love God or he will burn you.&quot;

The idea seems to be you can&#039;t get to heaven unless you kiss God&#039;s ass.  Its a religion for hypocrites and sycophants.

It&#039;s sad, because the Christian Scriptures are filled with wonderful, empathic philosophy, one that has survived endless translations and edits. (Not to mention downright censorship.) They are inspiring reading (and great drama!) even for a burned out old atheist like myself.

There is enough beauty and truth, and yes, grace,  there to have survived two thousand years of crimes and lunacy by Christ&#039;s followers.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Very little spirituality there, either.  The main message seems to be &#8220;Love God or he will burn you.&#8221;</p>
<p>The idea seems to be you can&#8217;t get to heaven unless you kiss God&#8217;s ass.  Its a religion for hypocrites and sycophants.</p>
<p>It&#8217;s sad, because the Christian Scriptures are filled with wonderful, empathic philosophy, one that has survived endless translations and edits. (Not to mention downright censorship.) They are inspiring reading (and great drama!) even for a burned out old atheist like myself.</p>
<p>There is enough beauty and truth, and yes, grace,  there to have survived two thousand years of crimes and lunacy by Christ&#8217;s followers.</p>
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		<title>By: RobVG</title>
		<link>https://habitablezone.com/2022/08/01/catholic-church-profiteering/#comment-50642</link>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 01 Aug 2022 19:36:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>But it&#039;s hard to see what&#039;s going on when most of the service is in Latin.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>But it&#8217;s hard to see what&#8217;s going on when most of the service is in Latin.</p>
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		<title>By: podrock</title>
		<link>https://habitablezone.com/2022/08/01/catholic-church-profiteering/#comment-50640</link>
		<dc:creator>podrock</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 01 Aug 2022 18:41:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>In that a bishop put oil on my forehead, taped my check, and declared me a soldier of Christ, after weeks of theological study.

Stopped attending mass a few years later. Still go, now and again. Only for funerals and weddings. Not even a Christmas/Easter Catholic (C&amp;E) anymore.

But much depends on the priest. Get A Jesuit up there for the homily and you might actually learn something.

I have known many priests over the decades, and without exception they have been smart and caring individuals. The ones that gave last rights to my father, mother, and uncle were wonderful people who helped our family during those difficult times. The priest when I was in middle school was a cigar smoking, whiskey drinking Irishman with a wicked sense of humor.

But my own spiritual perceptions evolved. And as I became educated on the history of the Vatican and the church I could no longer view them in a favorable way. And the abuse scandals were the final straw.

I like the philosophy of Jesus Christ in the four main Gospels. But starting with his apostles, I don&#039;t think many of his followers actually got the message. I don&#039;t need a church to strive to be a good person. Christ said as much.



&lt;blockquote&gt;The Garden of Love

BY WILLIAM BLAKE

I went to the Garden of Love,
And saw what I never had seen:
A Chapel was built in the midst,
Where I used to play on the green.

And the gates of this Chapel were shut,
And &#039;Thou shalt not&#039; writ over the door;
So I turn&#039;d to the Garden of Love,
That so many sweet flowers bore. 

And I saw it was filled with graves,
And tomb-stones where flowers should be:
And Priests in black gowns, were walking their rounds,
And binding with briars, my joys &amp; desires.
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In that a bishop put oil on my forehead, taped my check, and declared me a soldier of Christ, after weeks of theological study.</p>
<p>Stopped attending mass a few years later. Still go, now and again. Only for funerals and weddings. Not even a Christmas/Easter Catholic (C&amp;E) anymore.</p>
<p>But much depends on the priest. Get A Jesuit up there for the homily and you might actually learn something.</p>
<p>I have known many priests over the decades, and without exception they have been smart and caring individuals. The ones that gave last rights to my father, mother, and uncle were wonderful people who helped our family during those difficult times. The priest when I was in middle school was a cigar smoking, whiskey drinking Irishman with a wicked sense of humor.</p>
<p>But my own spiritual perceptions evolved. And as I became educated on the history of the Vatican and the church I could no longer view them in a favorable way. And the abuse scandals were the final straw.</p>
<p>I like the philosophy of Jesus Christ in the four main Gospels. But starting with his apostles, I don&#8217;t think many of his followers actually got the message. I don&#8217;t need a church to strive to be a good person. Christ said as much.</p>
<blockquote><p>The Garden of Love</p>
<p>BY WILLIAM BLAKE</p>
<p>I went to the Garden of Love,<br />
And saw what I never had seen:<br />
A Chapel was built in the midst,<br />
Where I used to play on the green.</p>
<p>And the gates of this Chapel were shut,<br />
And &#8216;Thou shalt not&#8217; writ over the door;<br />
So I turn&#8217;d to the Garden of Love,<br />
That so many sweet flowers bore. </p>
<p>And I saw it was filled with graves,<br />
And tomb-stones where flowers should be:<br />
And Priests in black gowns, were walking their rounds,<br />
And binding with briars, my joys &#038; desires.
</p></blockquote>
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		<title>By: RobVG</title>
		<link>https://habitablezone.com/2022/08/01/catholic-church-profiteering/#comment-50639</link>
		<dc:creator>RobVG</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 01 Aug 2022 17:55:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Nothing but ritual and ceremony. Not a lick of spiritual insight. I don&#039;t see the attraction other than peoples desire not to go to hell.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Nothing but ritual and ceremony. Not a lick of spiritual insight. I don&#8217;t see the attraction other than peoples desire not to go to hell.</p>
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		<title>By: RobVG</title>
		<link>https://habitablezone.com/2022/08/01/catholic-church-profiteering/#comment-50638</link>
		<dc:creator>RobVG</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 01 Aug 2022 17:49:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Are you aware of the Pope&#039;s visit to Canada? He&#039;s here to apologize for the Catholic church&#039;s involvement in the residential schools.

There&#039;s not a prophet among them. They ride the coattails of the man called Jesus for their own gain.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Are you aware of the Pope&#8217;s visit to Canada? He&#8217;s here to apologize for the Catholic church&#8217;s involvement in the residential schools.</p>
<p>There&#8217;s not a prophet among them. They ride the coattails of the man called Jesus for their own gain.</p>
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		<title>By: podrock</title>
		<link>https://habitablezone.com/2022/08/01/catholic-church-profiteering/#comment-50634</link>
		<dc:creator>podrock</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 01 Aug 2022 14:23:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Here, this is free:

https://sagradafamilia.org/en/virtual-tour

Too early for me to rant about the church.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Here, this is free:</p>
<p><a href="https://sagradafamilia.org/en/virtual-tour" rel="nofollow">https://sagradafamilia.org/en/virtual-tour</a></p>
<p>Too early for me to rant about the church.</p>
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