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		<title>By: RobVG</title>
		<link>https://habitablezone.com/2022/08/15/movie-kerfuffle/#comment-50860</link>
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		<pubDate>Sun, 21 Aug 2022 07:02:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Good point. No thanks. n/t</description>
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		<title>By: podrock</title>
		<link>https://habitablezone.com/2022/08/15/movie-kerfuffle/#comment-50856</link>
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		<pubDate>Sat, 20 Aug 2022 04:25:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Next time you are in a crowd during the Anthem. Just sit there. Take notes, or photos of how those around you react.

It&#039;s a fun experiment.</description>
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<p>It&#8217;s a fun experiment.</p>
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		<title>By: RobVG</title>
		<link>https://habitablezone.com/2022/08/15/movie-kerfuffle/#comment-50852</link>
		<dc:creator>RobVG</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 19 Aug 2022 20:41:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>There are things my country has done that are contemptuous. I stand out of respect for what we&#039;ve done that&#039;s admirable.</description>
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		<title>By: ER</title>
		<link>https://habitablezone.com/2022/08/15/movie-kerfuffle/#comment-50851</link>
		<dc:creator>ER</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 19 Aug 2022 20:32:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>And I don&#039;t mind doing so. But I don&#039;t want some NAZI patriot motherfucker telling me I have to. Standing up for a flag is a matter of acknowledgement and courtesy.  I stand for the Canadian national anthem at a sporting event as a sign of respect for the visiting team&#039;s country, not as a promise of allegiance. Even an atheist should take off his hat when he visits a church. Its only good manners.

You just don&#039;t seem to grok this, do you, Rob?

All these little symbolic acts of civic devotion are harmless in spirit, but in practice, they are ways of intimidating and coercing people to toe the mark, get with the program, get in line and queue up for the slaughter.  Its mind control. Sure, there is no law telling anyone you HAVE to stand for the anthem, or the flag, but if you refuse to do it in a public place you immediately attract the attention of zealots who feel it is their duty to enforce the orthodoxy, and are just waiting for any excuse to ruin your life with patriotic impunity.  You know perfectly well how that works.

Look at what happened to that football player who &quot;took the knee&quot;, or the Olympians who gave the Black Power salute during the medals ceremony.  Their careers were ruined, and I bet they&#039;ll spend the rest of their lives looking over their shoulder. In the age of social media, the anonymous death threat is now part of the political dialog.

I remember the home room Pledge of Allegiance, as well as the Lord&#039;s Prayer (in those days school prayer was not merely allowed, it was mandatory).  Sure, there was no law that said you COULDN&#039;T refuse, but you knew perfectly well you were a marked man if you did.  That Jehovah&#039;s Witness kid found out the hard way.

This is how fascism coerces and intimidates.  It starts off informally, but later it becomes law.  First a schoolyard beating, then you lose your job or career, then a concentration camp, eventually, &lt;em&gt;el paredón&lt;/em&gt;.  Fascists do not like people who refuse to go along.  They are always alert for deviations and eager to punish the uppity.

And of course, when one side does it, the other is quick to follow.  You can&#039;t say &quot;Negro&quot;, or &quot;black&quot;, or &quot;colored&quot; any more.  The politically correct term is now &quot;African-American&quot;. And heaven forbid if you say &quot;Indian&quot; when you mean &quot;Native American&quot;. But of course, I figure you are well aware of that particular little anomaly.  The Right is all about &quot;equivalence&quot;.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>And I don&#8217;t mind doing so. But I don&#8217;t want some NAZI patriot motherfucker telling me I have to. Standing up for a flag is a matter of acknowledgement and courtesy.  I stand for the Canadian national anthem at a sporting event as a sign of respect for the visiting team&#8217;s country, not as a promise of allegiance. Even an atheist should take off his hat when he visits a church. Its only good manners.</p>
<p>You just don&#8217;t seem to grok this, do you, Rob?</p>
<p>All these little symbolic acts of civic devotion are harmless in spirit, but in practice, they are ways of intimidating and coercing people to toe the mark, get with the program, get in line and queue up for the slaughter.  Its mind control. Sure, there is no law telling anyone you HAVE to stand for the anthem, or the flag, but if you refuse to do it in a public place you immediately attract the attention of zealots who feel it is their duty to enforce the orthodoxy, and are just waiting for any excuse to ruin your life with patriotic impunity.  You know perfectly well how that works.</p>
<p>Look at what happened to that football player who &#8220;took the knee&#8221;, or the Olympians who gave the Black Power salute during the medals ceremony.  Their careers were ruined, and I bet they&#8217;ll spend the rest of their lives looking over their shoulder. In the age of social media, the anonymous death threat is now part of the political dialog.</p>
<p>I remember the home room Pledge of Allegiance, as well as the Lord&#8217;s Prayer (in those days school prayer was not merely allowed, it was mandatory).  Sure, there was no law that said you COULDN&#8217;T refuse, but you knew perfectly well you were a marked man if you did.  That Jehovah&#8217;s Witness kid found out the hard way.</p>
<p>This is how fascism coerces and intimidates.  It starts off informally, but later it becomes law.  First a schoolyard beating, then you lose your job or career, then a concentration camp, eventually, <em>el paredón</em>.  Fascists do not like people who refuse to go along.  They are always alert for deviations and eager to punish the uppity.</p>
<p>And of course, when one side does it, the other is quick to follow.  You can&#8217;t say &#8220;Negro&#8221;, or &#8220;black&#8221;, or &#8220;colored&#8221; any more.  The politically correct term is now &#8220;African-American&#8221;. And heaven forbid if you say &#8220;Indian&#8221; when you mean &#8220;Native American&#8221;. But of course, I figure you are well aware of that particular little anomaly.  The Right is all about &#8220;equivalence&#8221;.</p>
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		<title>By: podrock</title>
		<link>https://habitablezone.com/2022/08/15/movie-kerfuffle/#comment-50850</link>
		<dc:creator>podrock</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 19 Aug 2022 20:05:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>If you choose to.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>If you choose to.</p>
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		<title>By: RobVG</title>
		<link>https://habitablezone.com/2022/08/15/movie-kerfuffle/#comment-50849</link>
		<dc:creator>RobVG</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 19 Aug 2022 19:46:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>You&#039;re right. n/t</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You&#8217;re right. n/t</p>
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		<title>By: RobVG</title>
		<link>https://habitablezone.com/2022/08/15/movie-kerfuffle/#comment-50848</link>
		<dc:creator>RobVG</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 19 Aug 2022 18:22:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Should we stand for the national anthem? n/t</description>
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		<title>By: ER</title>
		<link>https://habitablezone.com/2022/08/15/movie-kerfuffle/#comment-50847</link>
		<dc:creator>ER</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 19 Aug 2022 13:50:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I also feel fear.

I&#039;ve watched this movie before, I know how it turns out.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I also feel fear.</p>
<p>I&#8217;ve watched this movie before, I know how it turns out.</p>
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		<title>By: podrock</title>
		<link>https://habitablezone.com/2022/08/15/movie-kerfuffle/#comment-50846</link>
		<dc:creator>podrock</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 19 Aug 2022 05:11:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I think that&#039;s a better word than shamed. Because nobody told me to feel shame. I look around and just feel embarrassed. Really? This who we are? Any country that 1/3 of its population thinks DJT isn&#039;t conning the crap out of them embarrasses me as an American. 

Or is it sadness I feel?

...

Yeah. It&#039;s sadness. 

Not embarrassment.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think that&#8217;s a better word than shamed. Because nobody told me to feel shame. I look around and just feel embarrassed. Really? This who we are? Any country that 1/3 of its population thinks DJT isn&#8217;t conning the crap out of them embarrasses me as an American. </p>
<p>Or is it sadness I feel?</p>
<p>&#8230;</p>
<p>Yeah. It&#8217;s sadness. </p>
<p>Not embarrassment.</p>
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		<title>By: podrock</title>
		<link>https://habitablezone.com/2022/08/15/movie-kerfuffle/#comment-50845</link>
		<dc:creator>podrock</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 19 Aug 2022 04:24:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>For all.

Not just white folk.

Not just straight people.

Not just men.

Not just Christians.

Every citizen. All of them. No exceptions.

But that&#039;s not what the Trump party wants. (It is no longer the Republican Party*. That&#039;s gone. It&#039;s dead.) They want a pure White Christian Nation. I&#039;ve heard them say it. Elected officials. 

In my opinion, they violate every part of that pledge. You know that the US flag code says that the flag should not be used as clothing? To wear it as an outfit is disrespectful? 

&quot;Indivisible.&quot; All they want is division. The cry is for civil war. Us verses them. We&#039;re gonna kick your asses out. You don&#039;t like it, leave. You&#039;re not speaking English? I&#039;ll kick your ass. You worship Allah? Un American, get out. You don&#039;t worship anything? Begone. 

Indivisible. As long as you conform.

EDIT * &quot;Trumpicans&quot; Use it. Make it trend. Or Trumpacants?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>For all.</p>
<p>Not just white folk.</p>
<p>Not just straight people.</p>
<p>Not just men.</p>
<p>Not just Christians.</p>
<p>Every citizen. All of them. No exceptions.</p>
<p>But that&#8217;s not what the Trump party wants. (It is no longer the Republican Party*. That&#8217;s gone. It&#8217;s dead.) They want a pure White Christian Nation. I&#8217;ve heard them say it. Elected officials. </p>
<p>In my opinion, they violate every part of that pledge. You know that the US flag code says that the flag should not be used as clothing? To wear it as an outfit is disrespectful? </p>
<p>&#8220;Indivisible.&#8221; All they want is division. The cry is for civil war. Us verses them. We&#8217;re gonna kick your asses out. You don&#8217;t like it, leave. You&#8217;re not speaking English? I&#8217;ll kick your ass. You worship Allah? Un American, get out. You don&#8217;t worship anything? Begone. </p>
<p>Indivisible. As long as you conform.</p>
<p>EDIT * &#8220;Trumpicans&#8221; Use it. Make it trend. Or Trumpacants?</p>
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