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		<title>By: RL</title>
		<link>https://habitablezone.com/2022/08/18/trumpacants/#comment-50937</link>
		<dc:creator>RL</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 04 Sep 2022 15:04:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>For 20 years here I have pointed that out over and over... The only consistent stance they have taken is that the rich should get richer, the poor should be punished for their poverty, and darker skin tones need to be kept in their place- but those aren&#039;t principles, those are greed, cruelty and bigotry. 

They claimed to be super-patriots, but in reality that was nothing more than a club they could use against those that stood in their way- its easy to silence opposition by accusing them of not being patriotic.

The GOP slide into fascism has been accelerating the past 3 decades... and has led inexorably to this situation. 

They always were white supremacists - sure they would feign outrage when we pointed it out here, but those same people protesting the &#039;slander&#039; went on to join white nationalist groups online advocating for genocide.

The Trump voter cast their vote for white supremacy and fascism... they revealed themselves to be the bigoted trash they always were... they voted for Trump because he told them it was ok to be the trash they always had been. He gave them permission to drop the act of being decent human beings, and that is why the loved him so much.

They may be too cowardly to die for him, but they will have no qualms about killing for him.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>For 20 years here I have pointed that out over and over&#8230; The only consistent stance they have taken is that the rich should get richer, the poor should be punished for their poverty, and darker skin tones need to be kept in their place- but those aren&#8217;t principles, those are greed, cruelty and bigotry. </p>
<p>They claimed to be super-patriots, but in reality that was nothing more than a club they could use against those that stood in their way- its easy to silence opposition by accusing them of not being patriotic.</p>
<p>The GOP slide into fascism has been accelerating the past 3 decades&#8230; and has led inexorably to this situation. </p>
<p>They always were white supremacists &#8211; sure they would feign outrage when we pointed it out here, but those same people protesting the &#8216;slander&#8217; went on to join white nationalist groups online advocating for genocide.</p>
<p>The Trump voter cast their vote for white supremacy and fascism&#8230; they revealed themselves to be the bigoted trash they always were&#8230; they voted for Trump because he told them it was ok to be the trash they always had been. He gave them permission to drop the act of being decent human beings, and that is why the loved him so much.</p>
<p>They may be too cowardly to die for him, but they will have no qualms about killing for him.</p>
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		<title>By: BuckGalaxy</title>
		<link>https://habitablezone.com/2022/08/18/trumpacants/#comment-50917</link>
		<dc:creator>BuckGalaxy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 01 Sep 2022 17:10:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Not pc but I prefer Trumptards.</description>
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		<title>By: ER</title>
		<link>https://habitablezone.com/2022/08/18/trumpacants/#comment-50868</link>
		<dc:creator>ER</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 21 Aug 2022 20:47:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hitler was from a humble, working class background and spent most of his youth in poverty. Trump was born to privilege and power. Hitler was a brave soldier in the Great War, Trump was a draft dodger.

But both tried to gain absolute power through constitutional means, after first failing through a &lt;em&gt;coup d&#039;etat&lt;/em&gt;.  Whether Trump is successful or not remains to be seen.  But I don&#039;t think Trump will gain the support of the military either.  Hitler didn&#039;t.  The Army was only &quot;following orders&quot;, and they waited until he was legally in power.

But like Hitler, Trump legally gained political office even without a majority of the popular vote,
and he took over by promising the people what they wanted, and by stimulating the economy so that the economic fears of the middle and working classes were suspended.  And like Hitler, he did play on racial fears and hatreds already existing in the population.  He exploited prejudice against foreigners, and blamed all the nation&#039;s problems on other countries, and domestic traitors.  He perfected a propaganda press and mobilized militias of thugs to do his strong-arm work.  Like Hitler, he took advantage of existing currents in society to do these things, those elements may have already been there, but he encouraged and promoted them. And of course, he lied.  And his followers knew, they knew all the time, but just didn&#039;t care because he was &quot;getting things done&quot; and &quot;sticking it to the Libs&quot;..

After attaining power, both slowly but surely insinuated themselves into government by taking over public and civic institutions, and even purging the body politic of potential rivals.  After a while, both managed to get into position to nibble away at all opposition to their rise, even among their own allies.  It was done slowly, right from the start, and they didn&#039;t always get everything they wanted right away.  But after a while people (especially their followers) finally felt taking the trouble to stop him just wasn&#039;t worth the effort. Apathy is just as effective as evil. I don&#039;t think Hitler wanted to exterminate the Jews at first, he just wanted to deport them.  I don&#039;t think he wanted to conquer the world, he just wanted living space in the East. And I don&#039;t think he wanted a World War, but he wasn&#039;t afraid to start one.

As for Trump, I don&#039;t think he wants to be world dictator either, he just wants to help his businesses, and those of his friends and supporters, to prosper, and for his opponents to be powerless, humiliated and broken. He, and his kind, don&#039;t want to pay taxes and don&#039;t want their businesses regulated.  Their idea of freedom is to be do anything they want. Hitler, on the other hand, never amassed a great personal fortune.  He had snappy uniforms, rode around in a Mercedes and spent summers in a mountain retreat, but he wasn&#039;t in it for the money.  Like all truly dangerous men, he actually believed he was doing the Right Thing.

Fascism has arisen several times in the 20th century; Italy, Spain, Portugal, Germany, several South American countries.  It threatened several others, including the US, UK, France, but failed.  It is not always the same, it varies according to historical and geographical circumstances, and the cultures and personalities of the nations and leaders involved.

But regardless of how it manifests in different cultures, Fascism is instantly recognizable.  And it always winds up using violence to stay in power.
Wherever it has appeared, it has taken war or revolution to remove it.  Only in Spain did Democracy return peacefully, but only after Franco died, 36 years after seizing power. And half a million of his countrymen died before he was finished.

And there is one other thing about fascism.  When it is finally removed, what replaces it is often even worse.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hitler was from a humble, working class background and spent most of his youth in poverty. Trump was born to privilege and power. Hitler was a brave soldier in the Great War, Trump was a draft dodger.</p>
<p>But both tried to gain absolute power through constitutional means, after first failing through a <em>coup d&#8217;etat</em>.  Whether Trump is successful or not remains to be seen.  But I don&#8217;t think Trump will gain the support of the military either.  Hitler didn&#8217;t.  The Army was only &#8220;following orders&#8221;, and they waited until he was legally in power.</p>
<p>But like Hitler, Trump legally gained political office even without a majority of the popular vote,<br />
and he took over by promising the people what they wanted, and by stimulating the economy so that the economic fears of the middle and working classes were suspended.  And like Hitler, he did play on racial fears and hatreds already existing in the population.  He exploited prejudice against foreigners, and blamed all the nation&#8217;s problems on other countries, and domestic traitors.  He perfected a propaganda press and mobilized militias of thugs to do his strong-arm work.  Like Hitler, he took advantage of existing currents in society to do these things, those elements may have already been there, but he encouraged and promoted them. And of course, he lied.  And his followers knew, they knew all the time, but just didn&#8217;t care because he was &#8220;getting things done&#8221; and &#8220;sticking it to the Libs&#8221;..</p>
<p>After attaining power, both slowly but surely insinuated themselves into government by taking over public and civic institutions, and even purging the body politic of potential rivals.  After a while, both managed to get into position to nibble away at all opposition to their rise, even among their own allies.  It was done slowly, right from the start, and they didn&#8217;t always get everything they wanted right away.  But after a while people (especially their followers) finally felt taking the trouble to stop him just wasn&#8217;t worth the effort. Apathy is just as effective as evil. I don&#8217;t think Hitler wanted to exterminate the Jews at first, he just wanted to deport them.  I don&#8217;t think he wanted to conquer the world, he just wanted living space in the East. And I don&#8217;t think he wanted a World War, but he wasn&#8217;t afraid to start one.</p>
<p>As for Trump, I don&#8217;t think he wants to be world dictator either, he just wants to help his businesses, and those of his friends and supporters, to prosper, and for his opponents to be powerless, humiliated and broken. He, and his kind, don&#8217;t want to pay taxes and don&#8217;t want their businesses regulated.  Their idea of freedom is to be do anything they want. Hitler, on the other hand, never amassed a great personal fortune.  He had snappy uniforms, rode around in a Mercedes and spent summers in a mountain retreat, but he wasn&#8217;t in it for the money.  Like all truly dangerous men, he actually believed he was doing the Right Thing.</p>
<p>Fascism has arisen several times in the 20th century; Italy, Spain, Portugal, Germany, several South American countries.  It threatened several others, including the US, UK, France, but failed.  It is not always the same, it varies according to historical and geographical circumstances, and the cultures and personalities of the nations and leaders involved.</p>
<p>But regardless of how it manifests in different cultures, Fascism is instantly recognizable.  And it always winds up using violence to stay in power.<br />
Wherever it has appeared, it has taken war or revolution to remove it.  Only in Spain did Democracy return peacefully, but only after Franco died, 36 years after seizing power. And half a million of his countrymen died before he was finished.</p>
<p>And there is one other thing about fascism.  When it is finally removed, what replaces it is often even worse.</p>
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		<title>By: RobVG</title>
		<link>https://habitablezone.com/2022/08/18/trumpacants/#comment-50867</link>
		<dc:creator>RobVG</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 21 Aug 2022 18:03:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I only read about his rise to power. I didn&#039;t think Trump had the ability or was smart enough to gain the support of the military, nor would they give it to him.

I wasn&#039;t surprised that Trump used the presidency for personal gain and to feed his ego. And those were in parallel to Hitler. But I didn&#039;t see aspirations to become the first American dictator.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I only read about his rise to power. I didn&#8217;t think Trump had the ability or was smart enough to gain the support of the military, nor would they give it to him.</p>
<p>I wasn&#8217;t surprised that Trump used the presidency for personal gain and to feed his ego. And those were in parallel to Hitler. But I didn&#8217;t see aspirations to become the first American dictator.</p>
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		<title>By: ER</title>
		<link>https://habitablezone.com/2022/08/18/trumpacants/#comment-50864</link>
		<dc:creator>ER</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 21 Aug 2022 12:15:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>So what did you think?  We need a book report.

&lt;img src=&quot;https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/2/23/TheRiseandFalloftheThirdReich.jpg&quot; alt=&quot;&quot; /&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>So what did you think?  We need a book report.</p>
<p><img src="https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/2/23/TheRiseandFalloftheThirdReich.jpg" alt="" /></p>
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		<title>By: ER</title>
		<link>https://habitablezone.com/2022/08/18/trumpacants/#comment-50863</link>
		<dc:creator>ER</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 21 Aug 2022 12:09:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;The thought that if you don’t do what we like, then we will just get rid of you and march on and do it ourselves – that to me is fascism.&quot;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;The thought that if you don’t do what we like, then we will just get rid of you and march on and do it ourselves – that to me is fascism.&#8221;</p>
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		<title>By: RobVG</title>
		<link>https://habitablezone.com/2022/08/18/trumpacants/#comment-50862</link>
		<dc:creator>RobVG</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 21 Aug 2022 07:40:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>https://news.google.com/articles/CAIiEEvMvYgDc5Vc5Io0NEIj5PQqGQgEKhAIACoHCAowwo6qCzDCmcIDML-70gc?uo=CAUiANIBAA&amp;hl=en-US&amp;gl=US&amp;ceid=US%3Aen</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><a href="https://news.google.com/articles/CAIiEEvMvYgDc5Vc5Io0NEIj5PQqGQgEKhAIACoHCAowwo6qCzDCmcIDML-70gc?uo=CAUiANIBAA&#038;hl=en-US&#038;gl=US&#038;ceid=US%3Aen" rel="nofollow">https://news.google.com/articles/CAIiEEvMvYgDc5Vc5Io0NEIj5PQqGQgEKhAIACoHCAowwo6qCzDCmcIDML-70gc?uo=CAUiANIBAA&#038;hl=en-US&#038;gl=US&#038;ceid=US%3Aen</a></p>
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		<title>By: RobVG</title>
		<link>https://habitablezone.com/2022/08/18/trumpacants/#comment-50861</link>
		<dc:creator>RobVG</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 21 Aug 2022 07:04:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I read that book on your recommendation.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I read that book on your recommendation.</p>
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		<title>By: ER</title>
		<link>https://habitablezone.com/2022/08/18/trumpacants/#comment-50855</link>
		<dc:creator>ER</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 19 Aug 2022 23:18:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>They&#039;re just ignorant, scared people who have been carefully studied by master &lt;del datetime=&quot;2022-08-19T23:30:45+00:00&quot;&gt;propagandists&lt;/del&gt; marketers and deliberately fed a diet of misinformation; all carefully crafted to take advantage of their psychology to scapegoat the wrong villains for their problems.  Fascism is the dictatorship of the middle class.  It happens when it feels threatened politically, socially or financially and demagogues sense it and mobilize them with lies. Read your history, this has all happened before.  This is exactly what happened in Italy, Spain and Germany in the 1930s.  Its not new, and its not unusual.  Its older than Babylon and as evil as Hell.

The textbook, as I&#039;ve mentioned before, is William L Shirer&#039;s highly detailed &quot;Rise and Fall of the Third Reich&quot;.  Alternatively, an excellent popular video survey is Rick Steves&#039; (yes, the PBS travel writer) &quot;Fascism&quot;, available on Youtube.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JU1IVW6uqM0

An excellent, straightforward  introduction, and he doesn&#039;t once tell you to be ashamed you&#039;re an American.  Not even once. And the parallels to today&#039;s events are so obvious you will never again have to wonder why &quot;I see Fascists everywhere&quot;.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>They&#8217;re just ignorant, scared people who have been carefully studied by master <del datetime="2022-08-19T23:30:45+00:00">propagandists</del> marketers and deliberately fed a diet of misinformation; all carefully crafted to take advantage of their psychology to scapegoat the wrong villains for their problems.  Fascism is the dictatorship of the middle class.  It happens when it feels threatened politically, socially or financially and demagogues sense it and mobilize them with lies. Read your history, this has all happened before.  This is exactly what happened in Italy, Spain and Germany in the 1930s.  Its not new, and its not unusual.  Its older than Babylon and as evil as Hell.</p>
<p>The textbook, as I&#8217;ve mentioned before, is William L Shirer&#8217;s highly detailed &#8220;Rise and Fall of the Third Reich&#8221;.  Alternatively, an excellent popular video survey is Rick Steves&#8217; (yes, the PBS travel writer) &#8220;Fascism&#8221;, available on Youtube.</p>
<p><a href="https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JU1IVW6uqM0" rel="nofollow">https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JU1IVW6uqM0</a></p>
<p>An excellent, straightforward  introduction, and he doesn&#8217;t once tell you to be ashamed you&#8217;re an American.  Not even once. And the parallels to today&#8217;s events are so obvious you will never again have to wonder why &#8220;I see Fascists everywhere&#8221;.</p>
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		<title>By: RobVG</title>
		<link>https://habitablezone.com/2022/08/18/trumpacants/#comment-50854</link>
		<dc:creator>RobVG</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 19 Aug 2022 21:00:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Funny, I&#039;ve started calling them insane. </description>
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