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	<title>Comments on: Yo, RL!  Laser question.</title>
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		<title>By: podrock</title>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 22 Aug 2022 01:31:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Your target is now light years away. You have to take action years in advance without even knowing if it is still where you think it should be.

And years later to find out if you were correct.

I like the idea of trying this to accelerate a probe to high speed. But then it is Newton in the captain&#039;s chair.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Your target is now light years away. You have to take action years in advance without even knowing if it is still where you think it should be.</p>
<p>And years later to find out if you were correct.</p>
<p>I like the idea of trying this to accelerate a probe to high speed. But then it is Newton in the captain&#8217;s chair.</p>
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		<title>By: RL</title>
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		<pubDate>Sun, 21 Aug 2022 22:02:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>When you get to the destination the laser will be far less intense and targeting will be far more of an issue- no laser is perfectly collimated, it will be spread over a huge area at the destination and so the amount of acceleration your sail can get from it is going to be tiny....</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>When you get to the destination the laser will be far less intense and targeting will be far more of an issue- no laser is perfectly collimated, it will be spread over a huge area at the destination and so the amount of acceleration your sail can get from it is going to be tiny&#8230;.</p>
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		<title>By: ER</title>
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		<dc:creator>ER</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 21 Aug 2022 21:24:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I agree with all your points

But there are now numerous projects investigating concepts related to laser powered sailcraft  Many of these involve nanospacecraft (chips).
I don&#039;t see what good they would do, but the interest does seem widespread, and prelim studies are being funded.  Check out the centauri-dreams.org website.

I must be missing something.

I do know there is a method of using lasers to decelerate upon arrival, you can look it up it in Matloff and Mallove&#039;s &quot;Starflight Handbook&quot;.  Again, it violates no physical law, but it does seem rather cumbersome, it employs a sort of Schmidt Cassegrain set of sails in a Rube Goldberg, double reflection arrangement.  At any rate, it could always be just a fly-by mission. A return trip, or a stop is not really necessary.

And of course, optical lasers may not necessarily be the tech used.  There are other regions of the spectrum...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I agree with all your points</p>
<p>But there are now numerous projects investigating concepts related to laser powered sailcraft  Many of these involve nanospacecraft (chips).<br />
I don&#8217;t see what good they would do, but the interest does seem widespread, and prelim studies are being funded.  Check out the centauri-dreams.org website.</p>
<p>I must be missing something.</p>
<p>I do know there is a method of using lasers to decelerate upon arrival, you can look it up it in Matloff and Mallove&#8217;s &#8220;Starflight Handbook&#8221;.  Again, it violates no physical law, but it does seem rather cumbersome, it employs a sort of Schmidt Cassegrain set of sails in a Rube Goldberg, double reflection arrangement.  At any rate, it could always be just a fly-by mission. A return trip, or a stop is not really necessary.</p>
<p>And of course, optical lasers may not necessarily be the tech used.  There are other regions of the spectrum&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: RL</title>
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		<pubDate>Sun, 21 Aug 2022 17:05:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>If your sail is 1000&#039;s of kilometers in diameter, then just in the time it takes to unfurl it you will have countless micrometeorite strikes on it...  maybe the holes don&#039;t ruin its structural integrity but they will surely damage the reflectivity in the region around the hole, making it more absorbing in that area- what will happen to these spots when hit by a super-intense laser?

If I have time I will try and do some calculations...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>If your sail is 1000&#8242;s of kilometers in diameter, then just in the time it takes to unfurl it you will have countless micrometeorite strikes on it&#8230;  maybe the holes don&#8217;t ruin its structural integrity but they will surely damage the reflectivity in the region around the hole, making it more absorbing in that area- what will happen to these spots when hit by a super-intense laser?</p>
<p>If I have time I will try and do some calculations&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: RL</title>
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		<pubDate>Sun, 21 Aug 2022 16:08:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>While theoretically you can use a massive laser array to accelerate a light sail, you would have no way to slow it down when it got to the destination, so it would only be good for a flyby.

And most of the proposals require that the payload be exceedingly small. How could a small payload ever send data back across lightyears once it got to its destination?

The sail would need to be exceedingly thin and lightweight - but space is not empty- at relativistic speeds pebbles, dust and even the stray hydrogen atoms would quickly erode it away.

Could you illuminate it uniformly enough to avoid tearing it apart?

The more intense the laser is on the sail, the less time you need to accelerate it to the speed you want- but there is an upper limit to the intensity the sail can withstand- no matter how reflective it is, if the intensity reaches the point that it has a real chance of causing multiphoton ionization (MPI) then your sail will quickly turn into plasma. MPI- lets say the photons you are sending have low energy- no single photon has the energy to ionize the atoms in your sail... but you turn up the intensity to the point where there is a good chance that an atom in the sail will be able to absorb multiple photons at the same time... at some point you will reach the point that probability of ionization is high... at which point your sail vaporizes.

If your transmitter is in space then you have Newton&#039;s 3rd law to contend with- your transmitter will experience a recoil force as it beams photons out in one direction. if its floating in space how do you keep it in place?

If your transmitter is on earth, then the atmosphere would cause you no end of problems as well as restricting your maximum intensity even further... so building it on a large airless body would make the most sense...

Targeting and beam control would be very challenging, but since we are already assuming advanced technology and engineering I won&#039;t say its impossible...

But what would be the purpose? You wont get any data from the payload when its lightyears away (the starshot initiative proposal I saw was to send a payload that was exceedingly small, like a microchip) so what is the point of such a monumental endeavor?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>While theoretically you can use a massive laser array to accelerate a light sail, you would have no way to slow it down when it got to the destination, so it would only be good for a flyby.</p>
<p>And most of the proposals require that the payload be exceedingly small. How could a small payload ever send data back across lightyears once it got to its destination?</p>
<p>The sail would need to be exceedingly thin and lightweight &#8211; but space is not empty- at relativistic speeds pebbles, dust and even the stray hydrogen atoms would quickly erode it away.</p>
<p>Could you illuminate it uniformly enough to avoid tearing it apart?</p>
<p>The more intense the laser is on the sail, the less time you need to accelerate it to the speed you want- but there is an upper limit to the intensity the sail can withstand- no matter how reflective it is, if the intensity reaches the point that it has a real chance of causing multiphoton ionization (MPI) then your sail will quickly turn into plasma. MPI- lets say the photons you are sending have low energy- no single photon has the energy to ionize the atoms in your sail&#8230; but you turn up the intensity to the point where there is a good chance that an atom in the sail will be able to absorb multiple photons at the same time&#8230; at some point you will reach the point that probability of ionization is high&#8230; at which point your sail vaporizes.</p>
<p>If your transmitter is in space then you have Newton&#8217;s 3rd law to contend with- your transmitter will experience a recoil force as it beams photons out in one direction. if its floating in space how do you keep it in place?</p>
<p>If your transmitter is on earth, then the atmosphere would cause you no end of problems as well as restricting your maximum intensity even further&#8230; so building it on a large airless body would make the most sense&#8230;</p>
<p>Targeting and beam control would be very challenging, but since we are already assuming advanced technology and engineering I won&#8217;t say its impossible&#8230;</p>
<p>But what would be the purpose? You wont get any data from the payload when its lightyears away (the starshot initiative proposal I saw was to send a payload that was exceedingly small, like a microchip) so what is the point of such a monumental endeavor?</p>
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