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	<title>Comments on: In which David Corn writes about what we have been saying for years</title>
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		<title>By: ER</title>
		<link>https://habitablezone.com/2022/09/22/in-which-david-corn-writes-about-what-we-have-been-saying-for-years/#comment-51061</link>
		<dc:creator>ER</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 27 Sep 2022 02:14:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Like all other complex systems, social movements evolve to meet new conditions.  But there is no guarantee they will continue to improve (whatever THAT means) indefinitely.  Some of them degrade, break down, or just fail. And some are just unable to adapt.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Like all other complex systems, social movements evolve to meet new conditions.  But there is no guarantee they will continue to improve (whatever THAT means) indefinitely.  Some of them degrade, break down, or just fail. And some are just unable to adapt.</p>
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		<title>By: BuckGalaxy</title>
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		<dc:creator>BuckGalaxy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 26 Sep 2022 01:46:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>In my lifetime I&#039;ve watch the conservative movement in America evolve from a sincere belief in conservative principles, to a business for making money on those principles, to outright hucksterism that mostly abandons those principles.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In my lifetime I&#8217;ve watch the conservative movement in America evolve from a sincere belief in conservative principles, to a business for making money on those principles, to outright hucksterism that mostly abandons those principles.</p>
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		<title>By: ER</title>
		<link>https://habitablezone.com/2022/09/22/in-which-david-corn-writes-about-what-we-have-been-saying-for-years/#comment-51049</link>
		<dc:creator>ER</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 23 Sep 2022 02:56:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Liberals are the new Jews.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Liberals are the new Jews.</p>
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		<title>By: BuckGalaxy</title>
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		<dc:creator>BuckGalaxy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 23 Sep 2022 02:21:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>That is really what it all boils down to for the vast majority of Trump supporters.  Even the ones who didn&#039;t like Trump at first, they LOVED that he drove liberals crazy.  The loved him for the simple reason liberals hated him.  That&#039;s all it took.  Owning the libs was and is more important than anything:  Democracy, the constitution, the rule of law, NATO, their own self proclaimed christian morality.  None of it matter as long as liberals were and are freaking out.  I have a republican friend who told me as much when he said &quot;I don&#039;t really like Trump but I hate the people who hate him way more.&quot;  

And of course Trump brought out the worst tendencies in his followers.  They had suppressed all their prejudices for decades only to feel liberated in expressing them again with Trump&#039;s ascendance.  Another guy I knew stopped being best friends with a liberal friend of mine because he wanted to openly express his racism without being criticized for it. There&#039;s a reason all the white supremacists like to swing on  Trump&#039;s nutsack:  He&#039;s one of them and they love him for it.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>That is really what it all boils down to for the vast majority of Trump supporters.  Even the ones who didn&#8217;t like Trump at first, they LOVED that he drove liberals crazy.  The loved him for the simple reason liberals hated him.  That&#8217;s all it took.  Owning the libs was and is more important than anything:  Democracy, the constitution, the rule of law, NATO, their own self proclaimed christian morality.  None of it matter as long as liberals were and are freaking out.  I have a republican friend who told me as much when he said &#8220;I don&#8217;t really like Trump but I hate the people who hate him way more.&#8221;  </p>
<p>And of course Trump brought out the worst tendencies in his followers.  They had suppressed all their prejudices for decades only to feel liberated in expressing them again with Trump&#8217;s ascendance.  Another guy I knew stopped being best friends with a liberal friend of mine because he wanted to openly express his racism without being criticized for it. There&#8217;s a reason all the white supremacists like to swing on  Trump&#8217;s nutsack:  He&#8217;s one of them and they love him for it.</p>
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		<title>By: podrock</title>
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		<dc:creator>podrock</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 22 Sep 2022 18:54:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The whole thing is a con, for money and power.

The term &quot;con game&quot; or &quot;con man&quot; comes from &quot;Confidence Trick.&quot; 

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Confidence_trick

Get your marks to believe they are smart and they will give you money. All of their money. Pat Robertson was a master at this. I used to watch his show back in the day like I would a horror movie. The way he would pray like he was passing a kidney stone was hysterical.

But it was also scary. He&#039;d peddle these insane theories based upon the bible and bullshit and people sent him money. Lots of money. Because he projected this confidence that he was right, and by extension, if you believed him, you were right. Through the dopamine rush of constant indignation his viewers were smarter, more confident in their anger and hate - even though they were Christians. (Disclosure: I knew someone who was in the same college fraternity as Robertson. They thought he was a jerk.) 

It&#039;s brilliant, actually. Requires an understanding of how humans think, what they believe, how to get them to just give you money. I could do this. You could too. It&#039;s honestly not that hard. But it ain&#039;t honest.

People are still giving the former guy money. But he&#039;s a billionaire, right? Why give money to a billionaire then complain about gasoline prices? Why give money to a preacher who says if you give them money, God will reward you with more money, that you can then send them?

But here is the trick: a confidence game works best on people that don&#039;t have confidence.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The whole thing is a con, for money and power.</p>
<p>The term &#8220;con game&#8221; or &#8220;con man&#8221; comes from &#8220;Confidence Trick.&#8221; </p>
<p><a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Confidence_trick" rel="nofollow">https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Confidence_trick</a></p>
<p>Get your marks to believe they are smart and they will give you money. All of their money. Pat Robertson was a master at this. I used to watch his show back in the day like I would a horror movie. The way he would pray like he was passing a kidney stone was hysterical.</p>
<p>But it was also scary. He&#8217;d peddle these insane theories based upon the bible and bullshit and people sent him money. Lots of money. Because he projected this confidence that he was right, and by extension, if you believed him, you were right. Through the dopamine rush of constant indignation his viewers were smarter, more confident in their anger and hate &#8211; even though they were Christians. (Disclosure: I knew someone who was in the same college fraternity as Robertson. They thought he was a jerk.) </p>
<p>It&#8217;s brilliant, actually. Requires an understanding of how humans think, what they believe, how to get them to just give you money. I could do this. You could too. It&#8217;s honestly not that hard. But it ain&#8217;t honest.</p>
<p>People are still giving the former guy money. But he&#8217;s a billionaire, right? Why give money to a billionaire then complain about gasoline prices? Why give money to a preacher who says if you give them money, God will reward you with more money, that you can then send them?</p>
<p>But here is the trick: a confidence game works best on people that don&#8217;t have confidence.</p>
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		<title>By: RL</title>
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		<dc:creator>RL</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 22 Sep 2022 17:11:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>And I was called alarmist, and extreme... I was accused of slandering the conservatives...

The conservatives fled here not because of our railing against them, they fled because they knew the game was over when they fell in line behind Trump- they no longer could pretend to be patriots, they no longer needed to pretend to be decent human beings... whats more, they had no desire to keep pretending what they weren&#039;t...Trump gave them permission to freely be the amoral monsters they always were... that is why they loved him, that is why there was no line he could cross that would be too far for them.

Jody liked to giggle and brag she was a &quot;deplorable&quot; on other forums... Others went on to join online white nationalist groups openly advocating for genocide...  They dabbled in &lt;a href=&quot;https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Propertarianism#:~:text=Propertarianism%2C%20or%20proprietarianism%2C%20is%20a,the%20right%20to%20own%20property.&quot; target=&quot;_blank&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Propertarianism&lt;/a&gt; (A &#039;philosophy&#039; akin to Ayn Randian &#039;philosophy&#039; if it smoked Meth- and very popular among the white nationalist &#039;sovereign citizen&#039; nutcases). &lt;a href=&quot;https://twitter.com/jjmacnab/status/1281331836573020160?lang=en&quot; target=&quot;_blank&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Propertarianism had a surge in popularity during the pandemic.&lt;/a&gt;

They always were vicious trash, they just tried to hide it- poorly- so they could participate in forums like ours in hopes they could convert others. Then when Trump took power and promised to inflict harm and punishment on the liberals and minorities they felt they had won, they no longer had to keep up the act... they could revel in the evil they saw being done in their name. They could cackle over &#039;liberal tears&#039;, the cruelty against minorities...

That is the freedom Trump gave them, and they LOVED him for it... the harm he inflicted on the country, even the harm he inflicted on them as well, was a small price to pay for the freedom to be the monsters they always were.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>And I was called alarmist, and extreme&#8230; I was accused of slandering the conservatives&#8230;</p>
<p>The conservatives fled here not because of our railing against them, they fled because they knew the game was over when they fell in line behind Trump- they no longer could pretend to be patriots, they no longer needed to pretend to be decent human beings&#8230; whats more, they had no desire to keep pretending what they weren&#8217;t&#8230;Trump gave them permission to freely be the amoral monsters they always were&#8230; that is why they loved him, that is why there was no line he could cross that would be too far for them.</p>
<p>Jody liked to giggle and brag she was a &#8220;deplorable&#8221; on other forums&#8230; Others went on to join online white nationalist groups openly advocating for genocide&#8230;  They dabbled in <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Propertarianism#:~:text=Propertarianism%2C%20or%20proprietarianism%2C%20is%20a,the%20right%20to%20own%20property." target="_blank" rel="nofollow">Propertarianism</a> (A &#8216;philosophy&#8217; akin to Ayn Randian &#8216;philosophy&#8217; if it smoked Meth- and very popular among the white nationalist &#8216;sovereign citizen&#8217; nutcases). <a href="https://twitter.com/jjmacnab/status/1281331836573020160?lang=en" target="_blank" rel="nofollow">Propertarianism had a surge in popularity during the pandemic.</a></p>
<p>They always were vicious trash, they just tried to hide it- poorly- so they could participate in forums like ours in hopes they could convert others. Then when Trump took power and promised to inflict harm and punishment on the liberals and minorities they felt they had won, they no longer had to keep up the act&#8230; they could revel in the evil they saw being done in their name. They could cackle over &#8216;liberal tears&#8217;, the cruelty against minorities&#8230;</p>
<p>That is the freedom Trump gave them, and they LOVED him for it&#8230; the harm he inflicted on the country, even the harm he inflicted on them as well, was a small price to pay for the freedom to be the monsters they always were.</p>
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