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		<title>By: BuckGalaxy</title>
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		<dc:creator>BuckGalaxy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 09 Nov 2022 17:36:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>You vastly underestimate the opposition to potential GOP authoritarianism.  Democrats and independents would not stand by and allow the end of elections.  And good number of republicans would certainly join them.  The press would not be silenced.  The courts would not be silenced.  Your fears are overbaked.  I don&#039;t doubt for a minute that there are many bad rightwing actors who love to attempt a coup but I just can&#039;t believe it would succeed.  As I stated before, there are too many voices to silence. Ours among them.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You vastly underestimate the opposition to potential GOP authoritarianism.  Democrats and independents would not stand by and allow the end of elections.  And good number of republicans would certainly join them.  The press would not be silenced.  The courts would not be silenced.  Your fears are overbaked.  I don&#8217;t doubt for a minute that there are many bad rightwing actors who love to attempt a coup but I just can&#8217;t believe it would succeed.  As I stated before, there are too many voices to silence. Ours among them.</p>
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		<title>By: RL</title>
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		<dc:creator>RL</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 08 Nov 2022 16:29:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I really would LIKE to believe you are right, Buck... I really would...

But I am certain that you are- in this case- overly optimistic.

That democratic tradition has been steadily eroded by the right over the course of decades. That erosion has been accelerating unchecked since the 90s when Newt Gingrich gained control.

A very LARGE fraction of the populace wishes to do away with democracy largely for reasons of race... out of fear of becoming the minority. This fear has been professionally mass marketed to them by propaganda experts on the right, pumped into their homes by Fox News and the internet...100&#039;s of billions were spent to do this over decades.

Trump&#039;s big lie, all the insane racist and bigoted conspiracy theories, could not have taken hold were it not for the erosion of democratic principles.

The bulk of the American right would be gleeful at the idea of an autocracy, because they mistakenly believe a right wing autocracy would elevate them. They have been convinced that any election that doesn&#039;t put the right in complete control is rigged, and any government not under the control of the right is socialist tyranny. 

We might be willing to die for our democracy, but the right is willing to kill to do away with democracy. Worse yet, those in power on the left are only coming out and recognizing the threat to our democracy when it was clear since the 90&#039;s.

If the right seizes control of house and senate this election, it is all over. They have lost the popular vote regularly, they know democracy will soon be a death sentence for their prospects for power.

They could have tried to fight against the bigotry and racism in their party and tried to appeal to a larger portion of Americans, but that was too much work... so a coup was the route they went.

If they do well this election, they will cripple the government and sabotage it and create immense hardship so that in 2024 they can say &quot;see, government doesn&#039;t work!&quot;

And that will be the end of the American experiment.... and we will have a very ugly country for a while... before it all goes to hell.

Hopefully, I won the Powerball and can run off to New Zealand...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I really would LIKE to believe you are right, Buck&#8230; I really would&#8230;</p>
<p>But I am certain that you are- in this case- overly optimistic.</p>
<p>That democratic tradition has been steadily eroded by the right over the course of decades. That erosion has been accelerating unchecked since the 90s when Newt Gingrich gained control.</p>
<p>A very LARGE fraction of the populace wishes to do away with democracy largely for reasons of race&#8230; out of fear of becoming the minority. This fear has been professionally mass marketed to them by propaganda experts on the right, pumped into their homes by Fox News and the internet&#8230;100&#8242;s of billions were spent to do this over decades.</p>
<p>Trump&#8217;s big lie, all the insane racist and bigoted conspiracy theories, could not have taken hold were it not for the erosion of democratic principles.</p>
<p>The bulk of the American right would be gleeful at the idea of an autocracy, because they mistakenly believe a right wing autocracy would elevate them. They have been convinced that any election that doesn&#8217;t put the right in complete control is rigged, and any government not under the control of the right is socialist tyranny. </p>
<p>We might be willing to die for our democracy, but the right is willing to kill to do away with democracy. Worse yet, those in power on the left are only coming out and recognizing the threat to our democracy when it was clear since the 90&#8242;s.</p>
<p>If the right seizes control of house and senate this election, it is all over. They have lost the popular vote regularly, they know democracy will soon be a death sentence for their prospects for power.</p>
<p>They could have tried to fight against the bigotry and racism in their party and tried to appeal to a larger portion of Americans, but that was too much work&#8230; so a coup was the route they went.</p>
<p>If they do well this election, they will cripple the government and sabotage it and create immense hardship so that in 2024 they can say &#8220;see, government doesn&#8217;t work!&#8221;</p>
<p>And that will be the end of the American experiment&#8230;. and we will have a very ugly country for a while&#8230; before it all goes to hell.</p>
<p>Hopefully, I won the Powerball and can run off to New Zealand&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: podrock</title>
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		<dc:creator>podrock</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 08 Nov 2022 02:12:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>You&#039;ve heard of these folks, right? They are up there with the proud Boys and The Oath Keepers. Once recognized, you&#039;ll spot their iconography.

Their thesis, and rally cry, is that only three percent of the population during the Revolutionary War was needed to oust the Crown from the Colonies. 

The fact that that is bullshit doesn&#039;t matter. But it is an important point. It does not take a majority to change a country in radical ways. A motivated minority can, and has, changed history, numerous times.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You&#8217;ve heard of these folks, right? They are up there with the proud Boys and The Oath Keepers. Once recognized, you&#8217;ll spot their iconography.</p>
<p>Their thesis, and rally cry, is that only three percent of the population during the Revolutionary War was needed to oust the Crown from the Colonies. </p>
<p>The fact that that is bullshit doesn&#8217;t matter. But it is an important point. It does not take a majority to change a country in radical ways. A motivated minority can, and has, changed history, numerous times.</p>
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		<title>By: ER</title>
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		<dc:creator>ER</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 07 Nov 2022 21:13:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I really hope you&#039;re right.

&quot;But what can a poor boy do, 
&#039;cept to sing for a rock n&#039; roll band...&quot;

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BUt0dZXPFoU



&lt;blockquote&gt;Things fall apart; the centre cannot hold;
Mere anarchy is loosed upon the world,
The blood-dimmed tide is loosed, and everywhere   
The ceremony of innocence is drowned;
The best lack all conviction, while the worst   
Are full of passionate intensity.&lt;/blockquote&gt;

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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I really hope you&#8217;re right.</p>
<p>&#8220;But what can a poor boy do,<br />
&#8216;cept to sing for a rock n&#8217; roll band&#8230;&#8221;</p>
<p><a href="https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BUt0dZXPFoU" rel="nofollow">https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BUt0dZXPFoU</a></p>
<blockquote><p>Things fall apart; the centre cannot hold;<br />
Mere anarchy is loosed upon the world,<br />
The blood-dimmed tide is loosed, and everywhere<br />
The ceremony of innocence is drowned;<br />
The best lack all conviction, while the worst<br />
Are full of passionate intensity.</p></blockquote>
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		<title>By: BuckGalaxy</title>
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		<dc:creator>BuckGalaxy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 07 Nov 2022 20:09:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Unlike Russia and pre-Nazi Germany, America has a long democratic tradition.  It is too ingrained into the national character to be tossed aside imo.  Sure, there are plenty of Trumptards who could be persuaded by authoritarianism, but the majority would never allow it.  There are way too many voices to silence.  I&#039;m not saying there aren&#039;t people who may never try it, look what Trump did ffs, but it wouldn&#039;t succeed. Even done incrementally there will be a backlash at some point that will reverse course.  Even a real emergency like Covid wasn&#039;t enough for Trump to postpone the 2020 election, although he tried.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Unlike Russia and pre-Nazi Germany, America has a long democratic tradition.  It is too ingrained into the national character to be tossed aside imo.  Sure, there are plenty of Trumptards who could be persuaded by authoritarianism, but the majority would never allow it.  There are way too many voices to silence.  I&#8217;m not saying there aren&#8217;t people who may never try it, look what Trump did ffs, but it wouldn&#8217;t succeed. Even done incrementally there will be a backlash at some point that will reverse course.  Even a real emergency like Covid wasn&#8217;t enough for Trump to postpone the 2020 election, although he tried.</p>
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		<title>By: ER</title>
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		<dc:creator>ER</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 06 Nov 2022 00:06:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>the playbook is right out of the NAZI experience in Germany.  Beneath the pseudo-mystical religious smokescreen is a systematic dismantling or infiltration of all civic institutions--churches, schools, publishing, the press, media, the arts, labor unions, youth groups, professional societies, business associations, charities, even athletic leagues and hobby clubs. They are then restructured as contributing organs in the new society. William L Shirer documents how Hitler commenced doing this immediately AFTER he achieved political power. All social and public activity is redirected to serve the State. Read the chapter &quot;The Nazification of Society: 1933-1934&quot; in &quot;Rise and Fall of the Third Reich&quot;.  It makes it impossible for any citizen to do anything collectively that isn&#039;t guided and monitored by the State. Its all there for us to read. Obviously, they already have.

The Communists did the the same thing in Russia, except they based their guiding principle on a bogus scientific theory of history and economics.  Germany used nationalism and racial hatred,
Apparently, the American Right is using the German model.  

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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>the playbook is right out of the NAZI experience in Germany.  Beneath the pseudo-mystical religious smokescreen is a systematic dismantling or infiltration of all civic institutions&#8211;churches, schools, publishing, the press, media, the arts, labor unions, youth groups, professional societies, business associations, charities, even athletic leagues and hobby clubs. They are then restructured as contributing organs in the new society. William L Shirer documents how Hitler commenced doing this immediately AFTER he achieved political power. All social and public activity is redirected to serve the State. Read the chapter &#8220;The Nazification of Society: 1933-1934&#8243; in &#8220;Rise and Fall of the Third Reich&#8221;.  It makes it impossible for any citizen to do anything collectively that isn&#8217;t guided and monitored by the State. Its all there for us to read. Obviously, they already have.</p>
<p>The Communists did the the same thing in Russia, except they based their guiding principle on a bogus scientific theory of history and economics.  Germany used nationalism and racial hatred,<br />
Apparently, the American Right is using the German model.</p>
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		<title>By: podrock</title>
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		<dc:creator>podrock</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 05 Nov 2022 20:00:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Because that is the fulcrum of power. They know it, we&#039;ve seen it. Then Legislation. Then the executive branch to enact it. Meanwhile, school boards, local city councils, commissioners, secretaries of state, county clerks, Colleges, Universities...

Some call it the &quot;Seven Mountains.&quot; And it is a plan. Folks like me ain&#039;t going to like it.

&lt;a href=&quot;https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Seven_Mountain_Mandate&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Seven_Mountain_Mandate&lt;/a&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Because that is the fulcrum of power. They know it, we&#8217;ve seen it. Then Legislation. Then the executive branch to enact it. Meanwhile, school boards, local city councils, commissioners, secretaries of state, county clerks, Colleges, Universities&#8230;</p>
<p>Some call it the &#8220;Seven Mountains.&#8221; And it is a plan. Folks like me ain&#8217;t going to like it.</p>
<p><a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Seven_Mountain_Mandate" rel="nofollow">https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Seven_Mountain_Mandate</a></p>
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		<title>By: ER</title>
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		<dc:creator>ER</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 04 Nov 2022 21:01:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>They want power, not the Presidency. With the majorities I pointed out they can prevent Biden or the Dems from doing anything, but he&#039;ll still be in the White House so they can blame inflation, Covid, the economy, global warming and Ukraine on him.

Once they&#039;ve consolidated their hold on the bureaucracy, THEN they&#039;ll be able to put anyone they want in power.  It won&#039;t be Trump, he&#039;s too old and crooked and stupid.  It will probably be DeSantis, or whoever survives the internecine fighting that will follow Trump&#039;s demise.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>They want power, not the Presidency. With the majorities I pointed out they can prevent Biden or the Dems from doing anything, but he&#8217;ll still be in the White House so they can blame inflation, Covid, the economy, global warming and Ukraine on him.</p>
<p>Once they&#8217;ve consolidated their hold on the bureaucracy, THEN they&#8217;ll be able to put anyone they want in power.  It won&#8217;t be Trump, he&#8217;s too old and crooked and stupid.  It will probably be DeSantis, or whoever survives the internecine fighting that will follow Trump&#8217;s demise.</p>
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		<title>By: ER</title>
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		<dc:creator>ER</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 04 Nov 2022 20:55:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>All the Republicans are election deniers, all the honest ones have either been primaried out, retired, or scared into retirement.  The whole damn party is corrupt and crooked, they may not believe the Trump lies, but they all pretend they do.

Keep in mind, I am not saying all Republicans are criminals and traitors, just the ones in office or likely to get elected.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>All the Republicans are election deniers, all the honest ones have either been primaried out, retired, or scared into retirement.  The whole damn party is corrupt and crooked, they may not believe the Trump lies, but they all pretend they do.</p>
<p>Keep in mind, I am not saying all Republicans are criminals and traitors, just the ones in office or likely to get elected.</p>
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		<title>By: BuckGalaxy</title>
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		<dc:creator>BuckGalaxy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 04 Nov 2022 19:12:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;Those inside the rightwing media cocoon will never get the true story about anything they’re doing.&quot;

This really is the root of the problem.  Republican politicians know they can get away with almost any amount of bullshit and not be held accountable.  FuxNews and the rest of the hermetically sealed rightwing media bubble will simply not tell their viewers what is really happening.  Whatever outrages occur (e.g., the attack on the capitol, the absconding of classified materials, the massive Trump org tax and banking fraud, the Georgia election pressure campaign, the sexual assault civil suits, extorting Ukraine for personal political gain, welcoming and encouraging the Ruskie attack on the 2016 election, breaking the emoluments clause by catering to foreign nationals while president, calling white supremacists very fine people, wishing Ghislaine Maxwell well in her sex trafficking trial, etc etc etc...) are simply ignored or twisted into Democratic conspiracies and/or lies.  

No accountability to their voters gives these assholes a free hand to say one thing and do another.  I recently tried to convince my mother that it was republicans who opposed the prescription drug law that recently passed.  She didn&#039;t believe me because she didn&#039;t hear it on &quot;the news.&quot; I spoke to a friend and mentioned that the America Rescue Plan Act included massive funding for states and localities&#039; first responders, including billions for police depts around the country.  His response was that the government lies.  I pointed out it was a matter of public record, the law was voted on and passed by Congress.  He said the public record is a lie.  This is what 25 years of FuxNews does to people&#039;s brains.  </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;Those inside the rightwing media cocoon will never get the true story about anything they’re doing.&#8221;</p>
<p>This really is the root of the problem.  Republican politicians know they can get away with almost any amount of bullshit and not be held accountable.  FuxNews and the rest of the hermetically sealed rightwing media bubble will simply not tell their viewers what is really happening.  Whatever outrages occur (e.g., the attack on the capitol, the absconding of classified materials, the massive Trump org tax and banking fraud, the Georgia election pressure campaign, the sexual assault civil suits, extorting Ukraine for personal political gain, welcoming and encouraging the Ruskie attack on the 2016 election, breaking the emoluments clause by catering to foreign nationals while president, calling white supremacists very fine people, wishing Ghislaine Maxwell well in her sex trafficking trial, etc etc etc&#8230;) are simply ignored or twisted into Democratic conspiracies and/or lies.  </p>
<p>No accountability to their voters gives these assholes a free hand to say one thing and do another.  I recently tried to convince my mother that it was republicans who opposed the prescription drug law that recently passed.  She didn&#8217;t believe me because she didn&#8217;t hear it on &#8220;the news.&#8221; I spoke to a friend and mentioned that the America Rescue Plan Act included massive funding for states and localities&#8217; first responders, including billions for police depts around the country.  His response was that the government lies.  I pointed out it was a matter of public record, the law was voted on and passed by Congress.  He said the public record is a lie.  This is what 25 years of FuxNews does to people&#8217;s brains.</p>
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