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		<title>By: BuckGalaxy</title>
		<link>https://habitablezone.com/2024/06/11/sharks-and-batteries/#comment-53144</link>
		<dc:creator>BuckGalaxy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 26 Jun 2024 17:45:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Almost completely.  The Free Market needs to be regulated to prevent the formation of monopolies.  (Although monopolies once formed are inherently unsustainable over the long run because of free market forces.)  My problem was simply with your wording.  



&lt;blockquote&gt;&quot;The Free Market is all you need to keep big monopolistic bureaucracies…&quot;&lt;/blockquote&gt;



Since there is no free market in a monopolistic system, a better way to make your point would have been something like:  

&quot;An unregulated free market can lead to big monopolistic bureaucracies…&quot;

Maybe it sounds like I&#039;m splitting hairs, but people might think I was a bit off if I said: Gravity is all you need to keep airplanes flying.  There&#039;s some truth in that but it is not the entire story is it?  

Also, keep in mind some monopolies exist BECAUSE of regulation.  Think of old Ma Bell.  Once the government allowed competition, phone service on every level became orders of magnitude better.  </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Almost completely.  The Free Market needs to be regulated to prevent the formation of monopolies.  (Although monopolies once formed are inherently unsustainable over the long run because of free market forces.)  My problem was simply with your wording.  </p>
<blockquote><p>&#8220;The Free Market is all you need to keep big monopolistic bureaucracies…&#8221;</p></blockquote>
<p>Since there is no free market in a monopolistic system, a better way to make your point would have been something like:  </p>
<p>&#8220;An unregulated free market can lead to big monopolistic bureaucracies…&#8221;</p>
<p>Maybe it sounds like I&#8217;m splitting hairs, but people might think I was a bit off if I said: Gravity is all you need to keep airplanes flying.  There&#8217;s some truth in that but it is not the entire story is it?  </p>
<p>Also, keep in mind some monopolies exist BECAUSE of regulation.  Think of old Ma Bell.  Once the government allowed competition, phone service on every level became orders of magnitude better.</p>
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		<title>By: podrock</title>
		<link>https://habitablezone.com/2024/06/11/sharks-and-batteries/#comment-53143</link>
		<dc:creator>podrock</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 26 Jun 2024 16:29:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Adam Smith agrees with you.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Adam Smith agrees with you.</p>
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		<title>By: ER</title>
		<link>https://habitablezone.com/2024/06/11/sharks-and-batteries/#comment-53141</link>
		<dc:creator>ER</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 26 Jun 2024 13:54:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;m not being critical of free markets.  In fact, I think that they are wonderful.  On the contrary, my point is without regulation and oversight from a democratically elected government &lt;em&gt;there are no free markets&lt;/em&gt;. I thought you agreed with that.

And no, I don&#039;t believe governments are &quot;superior&quot; or more moral or efficient or less corrupt than private enterprise. I am very well aware even the most enlightened democracies can be subverted by demagogues, public apathy, criminals, foreign interference, corruption, lobbies or crooked politicians on both sides of the aisle.  That&#039;s what&#039;s happening in my country right now.  

We have some ability to control our government.  We have the vote, we can engage in political speech and action.  We can run for office  If necessary, we can go start a revolution.  But there is no way we can modify or control capitalism except by government regulation of commerce;  especially when its boosters keep telling us; &lt;em&gt;&quot;Let the businessmen do whatever they want and everything will be all right. They know what they’re doing. Trust them. The Free Fucking Market is all you need...its a Law of Nature.&quot;. &lt;/em&gt;

Even with all its shortcomings, I have more faith in democracy than I do in business.  The primary defining skill of any successful businessman is to figure out how to get AROUND the checks and balances of the free market.  And of course, they have the resources to do so as well as the ultimate incentive. They can&#039;t help themselves.

In spite of gravity, the atmosphere is filled with  biplanes, baseballs, blimps and bullets. The whole point of human ingenuity is to find ways to subvert the so-called  Laws of Nature.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m not being critical of free markets.  In fact, I think that they are wonderful.  On the contrary, my point is without regulation and oversight from a democratically elected government <em>there are no free markets</em>. I thought you agreed with that.</p>
<p>And no, I don&#8217;t believe governments are &#8220;superior&#8221; or more moral or efficient or less corrupt than private enterprise. I am very well aware even the most enlightened democracies can be subverted by demagogues, public apathy, criminals, foreign interference, corruption, lobbies or crooked politicians on both sides of the aisle.  That&#8217;s what&#8217;s happening in my country right now.  </p>
<p>We have some ability to control our government.  We have the vote, we can engage in political speech and action.  We can run for office  If necessary, we can go start a revolution.  But there is no way we can modify or control capitalism except by government regulation of commerce;  especially when its boosters keep telling us; <em>&#8220;Let the businessmen do whatever they want and everything will be all right. They know what they’re doing. Trust them. The Free Fucking Market is all you need&#8230;its a Law of Nature.&#8221;. </em></p>
<p>Even with all its shortcomings, I have more faith in democracy than I do in business.  The primary defining skill of any successful businessman is to figure out how to get AROUND the checks and balances of the free market.  And of course, they have the resources to do so as well as the ultimate incentive. They can&#8217;t help themselves.</p>
<p>In spite of gravity, the atmosphere is filled with  biplanes, baseballs, blimps and bullets. The whole point of human ingenuity is to find ways to subvert the so-called  Laws of Nature.</p>
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		<title>By: BuckGalaxy</title>
		<link>https://habitablezone.com/2024/06/11/sharks-and-batteries/#comment-53138</link>
		<dc:creator>BuckGalaxy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 26 Jun 2024 03:52:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>
&lt;blockquote&gt;The Free Market is all you need to keep big monopolistic bureaucracies...&lt;/blockquote&gt;

 

The complete and total contradiction within that statement is enough to make an economist cry, or laugh.  

And gravity is all you need to allow us all to float?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>The Free Market is all you need to keep big monopolistic bureaucracies&#8230;</p></blockquote>
<p>The complete and total contradiction within that statement is enough to make an economist cry, or laugh.  </p>
<p>And gravity is all you need to allow us all to float?</p>
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		<title>By: ER</title>
		<link>https://habitablezone.com/2024/06/11/sharks-and-batteries/#comment-53136</link>
		<dc:creator>ER</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 26 Jun 2024 00:33:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Let the businessmen do whatever they want and everything will be all right.  They know what they&#039;re doing.  Trust them.  The Free Market is all you need to keep big monopolistic bureaucracies that produce everything we need and provide us with the only means of earning the money we need to buy it.  Democratic institutions that might threaten that process in some misguided attempt to provide worker and consumer safety, environmental protection or financial regulation must not be allowed to override corporate management&#039;s single-minded pursuit of profit..

This is not religious, social, cultural, or ideological.  Its all about money and power, and those two are indistinguishable from one another..  And in order to drive this program, they have learned that tapping into (and carefully nurturing) the bigotry, greed, ignorance and hatred of the common man is the best way to go about it.

Fascist politics is the alliance of the banker and the redneck.  Its older than Babylon and evil as Hell.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Let the businessmen do whatever they want and everything will be all right.  They know what they&#8217;re doing.  Trust them.  The Free Market is all you need to keep big monopolistic bureaucracies that produce everything we need and provide us with the only means of earning the money we need to buy it.  Democratic institutions that might threaten that process in some misguided attempt to provide worker and consumer safety, environmental protection or financial regulation must not be allowed to override corporate management&#8217;s single-minded pursuit of profit..</p>
<p>This is not religious, social, cultural, or ideological.  Its all about money and power, and those two are indistinguishable from one another..  And in order to drive this program, they have learned that tapping into (and carefully nurturing) the bigotry, greed, ignorance and hatred of the common man is the best way to go about it.</p>
<p>Fascist politics is the alliance of the banker and the redneck.  Its older than Babylon and evil as Hell.</p>
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		<title>By: podrock</title>
		<link>https://habitablezone.com/2024/06/11/sharks-and-batteries/#comment-53135</link>
		<dc:creator>podrock</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 25 Jun 2024 22:57:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>From the Brownstone Institue (No link, you can find it if you dare) about how he is like a protagonist from the works of Ayn Rand. Like Howard Rourk, who, in an act of terrorism, blew up a building.

Sigh.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>From the Brownstone Institue (No link, you can find it if you dare) about how he is like a protagonist from the works of Ayn Rand. Like Howard Rourk, who, in an act of terrorism, blew up a building.</p>
<p>Sigh.</p>
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		<title>By: ER</title>
		<link>https://habitablezone.com/2024/06/11/sharks-and-batteries/#comment-53130</link>
		<dc:creator>ER</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 24 Jun 2024 13:50:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>...is not that he&#039;s crazier than a bedbug, there&#039;s no shortage of crazy people in the world.

What&#039;s really incomprehensible is how many Americans have hitched their wagons to his star.  I understand how some think he&#039;s crazy, but are willing to put up with him because it furthers their agenda (the leadership of the GOP).  But around a third of the adult population of the country is making excuses for this grotesque buffoon  because they just cannot see the depth or extent of his dysfunction.

That&#039;s not a problm with Trump, its a problem with America.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8230;is not that he&#8217;s crazier than a bedbug, there&#8217;s no shortage of crazy people in the world.</p>
<p>What&#8217;s really incomprehensible is how many Americans have hitched their wagons to his star.  I understand how some think he&#8217;s crazy, but are willing to put up with him because it furthers their agenda (the leadership of the GOP).  But around a third of the adult population of the country is making excuses for this grotesque buffoon  because they just cannot see the depth or extent of his dysfunction.</p>
<p>That&#8217;s not a problm with Trump, its a problem with America.</p>
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		<title>By: BuckGalaxy</title>
		<link>https://habitablezone.com/2024/06/11/sharks-and-batteries/#comment-53129</link>
		<dc:creator>BuckGalaxy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 24 Jun 2024 04:30:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>He was simply trying to talk smack about anything that is electric powered verses gasoline powered.  Of course he went on a senile tangent while at it.  

As RL pointed out, he doubled down yesterday and took another sharp turn down Demensia Drive.

&lt;img src=&quot;https://www.habitablezone.com/wp-content/uploads/2024/06/73714035_2920946011283695_7763455482634698752_n.jpg&quot; alt=&quot;&quot; /&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>He was simply trying to talk smack about anything that is electric powered verses gasoline powered.  Of course he went on a senile tangent while at it.  </p>
<p>As RL pointed out, he doubled down yesterday and took another sharp turn down Demensia Drive.</p>
<p><img src="https://www.habitablezone.com/wp-content/uploads/2024/06/73714035_2920946011283695_7763455482634698752_n.jpg" alt="" /></p>
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		<title>By: RL</title>
		<link>https://habitablezone.com/2024/06/11/sharks-and-batteries/#comment-53127</link>
		<dc:creator>RL</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 24 Jun 2024 02:02:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;a href=&quot;https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uL0OWcvaG_Y&quot; target=&quot;_blank&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uL0OWcvaG_Y&lt;/a&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><a href="https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uL0OWcvaG_Y" target="_blank" rel="nofollow">https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uL0OWcvaG_Y</a></p>
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		<title>By: RL</title>
		<link>https://habitablezone.com/2024/06/11/sharks-and-batteries/#comment-53126</link>
		<dc:creator>RL</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 24 Jun 2024 01:58:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;a href=&quot;https://www.huffpost.com/entry/trump-nazi-oven-joke-allegations_n_667881b2e4b0bd985dc4d41c&quot; target=&quot;_blank&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Just one atrocity after another with this guy...&lt;/a&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><a href="https://www.huffpost.com/entry/trump-nazi-oven-joke-allegations_n_667881b2e4b0bd985dc4d41c" target="_blank" rel="nofollow">Just one atrocity after another with this guy&#8230;</a></p>
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