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		<title>By: BuckGalaxy</title>
		<link>https://habitablezone.com/2024/12/14/axing-history/#comment-53681</link>
		<dc:creator>BuckGalaxy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 19 Dec 2024 01:14:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>And I&#039;m pretty impressed with lidar, multi spectral and thermal imaging.  These tools must be quite useful to geographers.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>And I&#8217;m pretty impressed with lidar, multi spectral and thermal imaging.  These tools must be quite useful to geographers.</p>
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		<title>By: ER</title>
		<link>https://habitablezone.com/2024/12/14/axing-history/#comment-53680</link>
		<dc:creator>ER</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 18 Dec 2024 21:51:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>My professors did not agree with me.  As the geologists used to kid us, &quot;Geologists study the earth&#039;s surface, Geographers study the earth superficially&quot;. There was a great effort made when I was a geography grad student to develop formal theoretical concepts with mathematical formulations for things like Central Place Theory or Regional Geography, but although these were useful concepts, they certainly didn&#039;t demand or require the formalism and those efforts were not too convincing.

Again, today there is a different rigor to the field, Geographers now tend to study the technologies used to study the earth (remote sensing, geodesy, aerial stereo photography, computer mapping, interactive cartography, navigation)---what is generally lumped together under the catch-all &quot;Geomatics&quot;.  But I still have to remind most folks that although I am indeed a geographer, I am not an expert on state capitals, the names of rivers, or county boundaries.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>My professors did not agree with me.  As the geologists used to kid us, &#8220;Geologists study the earth&#8217;s surface, Geographers study the earth superficially&#8221;. There was a great effort made when I was a geography grad student to develop formal theoretical concepts with mathematical formulations for things like Central Place Theory or Regional Geography, but although these were useful concepts, they certainly didn&#8217;t demand or require the formalism and those efforts were not too convincing.</p>
<p>Again, today there is a different rigor to the field, Geographers now tend to study the technologies used to study the earth (remote sensing, geodesy, aerial stereo photography, computer mapping, interactive cartography, navigation)&#8212;what is generally lumped together under the catch-all &#8220;Geomatics&#8221;.  But I still have to remind most folks that although I am indeed a geographer, I am not an expert on state capitals, the names of rivers, or county boundaries.</p>
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		<title>By: BuckGalaxy</title>
		<link>https://habitablezone.com/2024/12/14/axing-history/#comment-53674</link>
		<dc:creator>BuckGalaxy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 18 Dec 2024 06:10:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Just pulling your leg.  As I wrote ER, I was just demonstrating to him that turnabout is fair play.

But seriously, are there any laws of Geography?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Just pulling your leg.  As I wrote ER, I was just demonstrating to him that turnabout is fair play.</p>
<p>But seriously, are there any laws of Geography?</p>
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		<title>By: podrock</title>
		<link>https://habitablezone.com/2024/12/14/axing-history/#comment-53673</link>
		<dc:creator>podrock</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 18 Dec 2024 00:00:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Worked on a project a number of years back to determine what would be inundated if a dam broke. You&#039;d be surprised at how much work goes into flood plain mapping. It&#039;s not just drawing a line on a map along a stream.

And the surveying of political boundaries is very much science. Hell, the North Carolina / South Carolina was recently re-mapped, with interesting results.

The demarcation of the Mason-Dixon line was an extraordinary act of surveying involving regular astronomic observations. Oh, and you know you have to calculate that your plumb line will deviate by a few seconds of a degree due to the mountain you are traversing, right? 

I&#039;ve got a few hundred different coordinate systems in my GIS software.

Geography isn&#039;t a science?

Hogwash.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Worked on a project a number of years back to determine what would be inundated if a dam broke. You&#8217;d be surprised at how much work goes into flood plain mapping. It&#8217;s not just drawing a line on a map along a stream.</p>
<p>And the surveying of political boundaries is very much science. Hell, the North Carolina / South Carolina was recently re-mapped, with interesting results.</p>
<p>The demarcation of the Mason-Dixon line was an extraordinary act of surveying involving regular astronomic observations. Oh, and you know you have to calculate that your plumb line will deviate by a few seconds of a degree due to the mountain you are traversing, right? </p>
<p>I&#8217;ve got a few hundred different coordinate systems in my GIS software.</p>
<p>Geography isn&#8217;t a science?</p>
<p>Hogwash.</p>
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		<title>By: BuckGalaxy</title>
		<link>https://habitablezone.com/2024/12/14/axing-history/#comment-53670</link>
		<dc:creator>BuckGalaxy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 17 Dec 2024 21:06:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>So when I make a statement as shallow about geography as you do about economics you react as I do.  It&#039;s explaining to someone the &quot;you don&#039;t know what you don&#039;t know&quot; thing.  

I hope you&#039;re doing well these days buddy.  Cheers.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>So when I make a statement as shallow about geography as you do about economics you react as I do.  It&#8217;s explaining to someone the &#8220;you don&#8217;t know what you don&#8217;t know&#8221; thing.  </p>
<p>I hope you&#8217;re doing well these days buddy.  Cheers.</p>
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		<title>By: ER</title>
		<link>https://habitablezone.com/2024/12/14/axing-history/#comment-53669</link>
		<dc:creator>ER</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 17 Dec 2024 18:49:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>That goes without saying.  But that is not what Geography is, either.  That is what is taught to middle school students under the name of &#039;Geography&#039;.  

Academic geography is an interdisciplinary social/environmental science that attempts to make general statements and conclusions about how natural and environmental factors interact with human communities, industry and agriculture.  For example, a typical geographical question might be something like &quot;What type of agricultural activity and social organization would be expected to occur in a landscape dominated by glacial depositional features like moraines and eskers?&quot;

My Master&#039;s thesis in cultural geography was about the distribution of residential swimming pools in Tampa, FL and how it related to local soil types, drainage, water tables, property values and zoning regulations.  Hopefully, a good analysis of these interactions might yield information on how Tampa&#039;s swimming pool distribution resembled (or differed) from other communities in other parts of the country.  

How nature affects human settlement patterns and activities is what Geography is all about.  For example, it is highly recommended that military men study Geography because the climate, soils, landforms, and water bodies have such a critical effect on the movement and concealment of troops.  Political boundaries, transport and communications networks and other human features also reflect the natural features of the landscape and how we plan our activities around them.  City planners and land managers are also expected to be conversant with Geographical concepts, both natural and human. That&#039;s what got me my job in the County Planning Department, not my degree in astronomy.

In addition, Geography is also now taking over the arts of acquiring, cataloging, displaying and interpreting spatial data, such as aerial photography, satellite imagery, remote sensing, cartography, Geographic Information Systems, GPS, etc.  This was just starting when I was beginning work in air topo mapping, so I figured it would look good on my resume.

I&#039;m no more likely to know the capital of Wyoming or which states border New Jersey than anyone else.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>That goes without saying.  But that is not what Geography is, either.  That is what is taught to middle school students under the name of &#8216;Geography&#8217;.  </p>
<p>Academic geography is an interdisciplinary social/environmental science that attempts to make general statements and conclusions about how natural and environmental factors interact with human communities, industry and agriculture.  For example, a typical geographical question might be something like &#8220;What type of agricultural activity and social organization would be expected to occur in a landscape dominated by glacial depositional features like moraines and eskers?&#8221;</p>
<p>My Master&#8217;s thesis in cultural geography was about the distribution of residential swimming pools in Tampa, FL and how it related to local soil types, drainage, water tables, property values and zoning regulations.  Hopefully, a good analysis of these interactions might yield information on how Tampa&#8217;s swimming pool distribution resembled (or differed) from other communities in other parts of the country.  </p>
<p>How nature affects human settlement patterns and activities is what Geography is all about.  For example, it is highly recommended that military men study Geography because the climate, soils, landforms, and water bodies have such a critical effect on the movement and concealment of troops.  Political boundaries, transport and communications networks and other human features also reflect the natural features of the landscape and how we plan our activities around them.  City planners and land managers are also expected to be conversant with Geographical concepts, both natural and human. That&#8217;s what got me my job in the County Planning Department, not my degree in astronomy.</p>
<p>In addition, Geography is also now taking over the arts of acquiring, cataloging, displaying and interpreting spatial data, such as aerial photography, satellite imagery, remote sensing, cartography, Geographic Information Systems, GPS, etc.  This was just starting when I was beginning work in air topo mapping, so I figured it would look good on my resume.</p>
<p>I&#8217;m no more likely to know the capital of Wyoming or which states border New Jersey than anyone else.</p>
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		<title>By: BuckGalaxy</title>
		<link>https://habitablezone.com/2024/12/14/axing-history/#comment-53667</link>
		<dc:creator>BuckGalaxy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 16 Dec 2024 21:13:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>To add to my response above (see &quot;Sigh&quot;), you think that simply stating economics is like history settles anything?  There are no laws of history.  Certainly we learn from it and are doomed to repeat it, but it is essentially describing things, not pointing out forces of nature that govern the universe.

In that sense history is far more like geography than economics.  Knowing where mountain ranges, floodplains and political borders are is not science.  Knowing where Lapland is isn&#039;t science.  You can&#039;t even compare history and geography as a science to economics with a straight face.  

I&#039;d certainly rank economics a far more advanced science that other social sciences such as psychology, sociology and anthropology.

I think that should settle the question once and for all.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>To add to my response above (see &#8220;Sigh&#8221;), you think that simply stating economics is like history settles anything?  There are no laws of history.  Certainly we learn from it and are doomed to repeat it, but it is essentially describing things, not pointing out forces of nature that govern the universe.</p>
<p>In that sense history is far more like geography than economics.  Knowing where mountain ranges, floodplains and political borders are is not science.  Knowing where Lapland is isn&#8217;t science.  You can&#8217;t even compare history and geography as a science to economics with a straight face.  </p>
<p>I&#8217;d certainly rank economics a far more advanced science that other social sciences such as psychology, sociology and anthropology.</p>
<p>I think that should settle the question once and for all.</p>
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