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So how do we solve a real AGW crisis? by ER May 20, 2013 8:16 pm

Auto emissions, and fuel economy mandates. by RobVG 2013-05-22 07:33:06
- I believe nukes are worth the risk even if there were no AGW issues involved. by ER 2013-05-22 11:50:51
A week ago I said "now what?" on this subject. by TB 2013-05-21 09:59:50
- Pre-emptive fall-back position #5 by ER 2013-05-21 11:20:36
  - I already covered that. In detail. by TB 2013-05-21 11:26:37
    - You covered nothing. You just made excuses. by ER 2013-05-21 11:51:11
- I must conclude that this is your response to my question. by alcaray 2013-05-21 10:40:25
  - We went through something like this in the gun threads. by TB 2013-05-21 11:08:58
    - Back when I was a supervisor and project manager... by alcaray 2013-05-21 12:24:54
    - What's liberalism have to do with it? by ER 2013-05-21 11:36:02
      - "...we must act quickly to do something about it" by TB 2013-05-21 11:52:49
        
        We use diplomatic and political pressure. by ER 2013-05-21 12:06:54
        
        Better. by TB 2013-05-21 13:12:41
        
        Now why didn't you say that before? by ER 2013-05-21 13:41:41
As long as business is good in the short term, "What, me worry?" by alcaray 2013-05-20 23:54:52
- I guess that's why they call it "freedom". by ER 2013-05-21 05:19:03
We don't. by podrock 2013-05-20 21:03:58
- I presented a chart of nations that made that point a while ago. by TB 2013-05-21 07:03:59
  - So the only problem we really have is that you're scared of Commies. by ER 2013-05-21 07:52:20

Family emerges from storm cellar by TB May 21, 2013 10:14 am

Continuing CO2 drumbeat. by RobVG May 19, 2013 11:53 am

Here is how: by alcaray 2013-05-19 19:46:58
- Furthermore... by alcaray 2013-05-19 19:54:10
  - Or, an even more direct way to measure the rate of change. by alcaray 2013-05-19 22:20:26
    - I'll give you that. by RobVG 2013-05-20 07:28:02
      - Well at least that's something that honorable men may dispute. by alcaray 2013-05-20 13:05:25
      - It's a hoot watching you guys wrangle over this... by ER 2013-05-20 08:40:10
        
        Suggested reading for Rob and others: by TB 2013-05-20 09:13:51
        
        The obvious answer is to create an internnational star committee... by FrankC 2013-05-20 18:50:02
        
        I'm dying to hear the libertarian proposal to solve the problem. by alcaray 2013-05-20 17:57:01
        
        Repeating: by TB 2013-05-20 18:51:43
        
        Errr, that's not what I asked at all. by alcaray 2013-05-20 19:01:36
        
        The libertarians don't believe there is a problem. by ER 2013-05-20 18:06:03
        
        It sounds to me like Hansen's right on. by ER 2013-05-20 10:29:18
The CO2 is increasing. by ER 2013-05-19 12:33:15
- I'm not saying it isn't. by RobVG 2013-05-19 13:49:37
  - In that case, then you're absolutely correct. by ER 2013-05-19 14:06:36
    - You're putting words in my mouth. by RobVG 2013-05-19 14:32:51
      - Consequences by TB 2013-05-19 16:07:08
        
        n/t by ER 2013-05-19 16:08:59
      - Read the scientific papers, not the journalism. by ER 2013-05-19 14:39:06
        
        Here's one: by TB 2013-05-19 20:22:43
        
        Here's one what? by ER 2013-05-19 21:39:29
        
        Okay. by TB 2013-05-19 22:30:21
        
        Next time I'm down at the Earth Science Library, I'll look this up by podrock 2013-05-20 20:07:27
        
        You brought up ice cores, not me. by ER 2013-05-19 22:55:18
        
        Don't bother. by TB 2013-05-20 08:37:09
        
        I don't recall ever quoting any ice-core data. by ER 2013-05-20 09:01:43
        
        Sorry, wasn't clear. by TB 2013-05-20 09:24:43
        
        "His methods are the equivalent of ice core data for sea ice extent", by ER 2013-05-20 12:05:13
        
        I'm not interested in the last 1500 years. by ER 2013-05-20 10:40:23

Playing politics with tax records by TB May 11, 2013 12:07 pm

Just a sidebar: by TB 2013-05-14 20:18:51
- You're hyperventilating, Tom. by ER 2013-05-14 21:56:04
Steven T. Miller, by TB 2013-05-14 19:48:51
- The commissioner at the time it happened was appointed by W. by alcaray 2013-05-14 20:32:20
  - "Fast & Furious" first started on W's watch, too. by ER 2013-05-14 22:31:39
    - No, it didn't. by TB 2013-05-14 22:51:01
      - Yes it did. It was called "Wide Receiver" by Tony 2013-05-17 10:45:27
        
        Are these the same sources... by alcaray 2013-05-17 17:29:40
        
        Careful, Al. by ER 2013-05-17 19:06:34
        
        Sorry for two things: by alcaray 2013-05-17 17:31:34
        
        So next time fix it. by TB 2013-05-17 20:09:51
        
        This implies that I have powers that I did not know I had. by alcaray 2013-05-17 20:56:15
        
        you've got the power by podrock 2013-05-18 06:49:00
        
        There may also be issues if someone has already replied to a comment you want to move. by TB 2013-05-18 10:40:47
        
        Sorry for two things: by alcaray 2013-05-17 17:30:11
        
        Other pedants: by TB 2013-05-17 13:12:42
And the problem is? by bowser 2013-05-13 20:38:38
The reason this happened by BuckGalaxy 2013-05-13 19:26:20
More: by TB 2013-05-11 18:37:28
- Congratulations, TB. It looks like you guys have finally got yourself a genuine scandal. n/t by ER 2013-05-11 19:54:01
  - I'm finding the singular there, "a scandal," amusing. by TB 2013-05-14 13:54:53
    - You guys have been sniffing drainpipes for 5 years now, by ER 2013-05-14 14:28:03
      - Somebody's obviously sniffing something. by TB 2013-05-14 15:39:43
        
        Actually, I think Jon Stewart was right on target. by ER 2013-05-14 16:58:03
        
        Conservatives pointing out something doesn’t mean it exists. by ER 2013-05-14 16:34:28
        
        Again, "scandal" and "crime" are not synonyms. by TB 2013-05-14 16:59:23
        
        No, courts can be influenced or bought, too. by ER 2013-05-14 17:03:38
I'm in total agreement with you on this one. by ER 2013-05-11 12:48:04

Telescreens are old hat by TB May 16, 2013 9:11 am

Watch a British true crime documentary sometime. by bowser 2013-05-16 17:01:21

"US shale oil supply shock shifts global power balance" by TB May 15, 2013 10:00 am

Red Queen Running? by podrock 2013-05-15 19:56:56
- An increase in supply relative to demand is never a bad thing for consumers. by alcaray 2013-05-16 12:55:15
  - But Al, what about the free market? That would never happen here... by ER 2013-05-16 13:15:07
    - What free market? by alcaray 2013-05-16 14:27:52
- Party pooper. by ER 2013-05-16 05:58:46
More good news by RobVG 2013-05-15 18:56:42
Anyone willing to bet increased US energy supplies won't lead to cheaper prices at the pump? n/t by ER 2013-05-15 14:29:16

"The first step in solving a problem is recognizing you have a problem." by ER May 13, 2013 6:56 am

Point of argument: by TB 2013-05-13 08:38:17
- Your basic German citizen in the '30s and '40s denied the Holocaust, too. by bowser 2013-05-14 16:05:57
- If you actually believe that this environmental drive to statism... by ER 2013-05-13 10:16:30
  - "Personally I believe..." by TB 2013-05-13 10:57:51
    - Apples and oranges, actually more like watermelons and grapes. by ER 2013-05-13 11:15:19
      - Apples and oranges by TB 2013-05-13 12:01:46
        
        Fine. What about the IPCC graph? by ER 2013-05-13 12:13:58
        
        Am I being lectured on "changing the subject?" :) by TB 2013-05-13 12:53:18
        
        If the crisis goes, then they will no longer serve a purpose, will they? by ER 2013-05-13 13:39:28
        
        Simpy declaring your opposition a loser doesn't make it so. Shades of Davin. (miss the guy). n/t by RobVG 2013-05-13 18:02:56
        
        There are no winners or losers here. by ER 2013-05-13 20:28:12
        
        Job security by TB 2013-05-13 14:22:11
        
        It was a foregone conclusion. by ER 2013-05-13 15:34:32

Put this in your pipe and smoke it. by bowser May 13, 2013 9:49 pm

On the bright side, they aren't back here voting. by TB 2013-05-14 06:09:08
and we wonder why those Nigerians keep sending those... by FrankC 2013-05-14 02:26:34

"DOJ secretly seized two months of Associated Press phone records?" by TB May 13, 2013 2:38 pm

Any information about what was on the associated warrant? by alcaray 2013-05-13 14:48:52
- All I know to date is what was in the AP link in the article. by TB 2013-05-13 15:01:40

C02, "Scary." trend by RobVG May 12, 2013 12:54 pm

The function of that article lies in the headline, not the chart. by TB 2013-05-12 19:08:11
- The headline did a good job of boiling down what "James Butler, director of global monitoring at the National Oceanic and Atmospheric Administration's Earth Science Research Lab in Boulder, Colo." said. by alcaray 2013-05-13 01:49:39
  - They can no longer deny the message, by ER 2013-05-13 06:32:51
    - You saw the same thing I did. "Bad journalism" was YOUR post. n/t by RobVG 2013-05-13 07:17:13
      - Just because the journalism is bad doesn't mean the news is made up. n/t by ER 2013-05-13 08:10:19
        
        PS: Why do conservatives have such a problem with this? by ER 2013-05-13 08:15:03
        
        I think that they are getting to the point where it's embarrasing to deny. by alcaray 2013-05-13 10:42:54
        
        When scientific judgements are forced to pass an ideological litmus test..., by ER 2013-05-13 11:02:38
        
        I can't believe you actually posted that... by TB 2013-05-13 11:06:20
        
        At your service, yr most hum. and obd't servant. by ER 2013-05-13 11:28:39
No, that chart is not linear since 70. It is quite curved. Hold the edge of an envelope up to it if you don't believe me. by alcaray 2013-05-12 16:55:52
- Curve in name only. by RobVG 2013-05-12 17:53:26
  - Only plane geometry is necessary. When you said:... by alcaray 2013-05-12 18:42:50
    - Be honest- are you just trying to goad me? n/t by RobVG 2013-05-12 19:00:43
      - I was questioning your eyesight. by alcaray 2013-05-12 19:02:55
        
        You better check ER's eyesight too. by RobVG 2013-05-12 19:05:50
        
        What part of "steady" increase do you not understand? by RobVG 2013-05-12 19:04:53
        
        my response disappeared, so forgive me if another one appears. by alcaray 2013-05-12 22:41:59
        
        Actually, you're both wrong. by ER 2013-05-12 19:39:59
        
        At some point, you have move past yelling "CRISIS CRISIS CRISIS CRISIS CRISIS!" by TB 2013-05-12 21:18:32
        
        But there IS a crisis. by ER 2013-05-13 06:54:20
        
        At some point people need to move past blaming everything on bad reporting. by alcaray 2013-05-12 22:38:12
        
        It's not just reporters. by ER 2013-05-13 06:58:38
  - That's why we need calculus. by ER 2013-05-12 18:02:04
- I was trying to give Rob the benefit of a doubt by ER 2013-05-12 17:09:51
Bad journalism by ER 2013-05-12 14:51:42
It is May 12, 2013 and it is snowing here. How is the weather over there? by johannes 2013-05-12 14:24:05

Finding out what's in the bill by TB May 10, 2013 9:15 pm

They should never have allowed businesses to use our SS# for their own personal ID convenience. by ER 2013-05-11 11:27:41

Student scolds teacher by Jody May 8, 2013 8:09 pm

In my opinion, this was a set-up. by ER 2013-05-10 12:06:51
- Not exactly. by TB 2013-05-10 13:05:02
  - Does that mean you're convinced it wasn't a rehearsed, deliberate ambush? n/t by ER 2013-05-10 13:24:48
    - Actually... by TB 2013-05-10 13:48:06
      - Who's talking conspiracy? by ER 2013-05-10 14:15:02
        
        He didn't even know he was being taped until two days later. by TB 2013-05-10 16:13:46
- In my opinion the teacher missed an excellent opportunity . She probably has parents that are union workers. by Jody 2013-05-10 12:35:12
Wrong time, wrong place. by bowser 2013-05-10 07:11:46
- Why are you holding the teacher to a different standard than the child? Is that a liberal thing? Or is ... by Jody 2013-05-10 10:04:39
- I doubt the kid's sincerity. by RobVG 2013-05-10 07:24:20
  - I suspect, he was grandstanding so he could be a hero on the internet. by alcaray 2013-05-10 10:07:25
    - I wonder if he even knew it was being videoed. Good lord people. So quick to judge our youth. What about ... by Jody 2013-05-10 10:11:11
      - quick to judge. by alcaray 2013-05-10 10:38:30
        
        I have asked a female high school math teacher her opinion, so I am waiting to hear from her. by Jody 2013-05-10 11:05:19
  - We speak of what we can do as a society to help the youth. We live in a time when ... by Jody 2013-05-10 08:52:05
Don't recall any teachers "making me excited"... by alcaray 2013-05-08 22:07:05
- alcaray...I can't see you getting excited about anything. by Jody 2013-05-10 10:05:48
- "I don’t know why people belittle teachers so much now." by ER 2013-05-09 16:54:35
  - WHAT ABOUT THE CHILD???????? by Jody 2013-05-10 10:06:21
  - Some interesting facts: by TB 2013-05-09 20:40:35
    - Some distorted facts by ER 2013-05-09 22:21:34
      - Employees by TB 2013-05-10 09:09:34
        
        It's not even necessary to respond to that. by ER 2013-05-10 11:24:35
        
        You can't actually respond. by TB 2013-05-10 12:36:23
        
        I guess that means you're going to leave it, rather than take it, eh? by ER 2013-05-10 13:18:07
    - This list of stats is supposed to sound like the increase in education cost goes to the unions? by alcaray 2013-05-09 21:31:32
      - No. by TB 2013-05-10 08:56:35
        
        So it was a right-wing rant triggered by someboday saying "teacher"? by alcaray 2013-05-10 10:03:50
        
        ER said something silly implying that good education demands unions and more taxes, and I responded. by TB 2013-05-10 10:11:17
        
        Ohmygod, ER look what you did! by alcaray 2013-05-10 11:09:23
        
        Curses. by ER 2013-05-10 11:59:36
      - Electron degeneracy leads to core collapse. by ER 2013-05-09 23:09:59
  - I call bullshit. by Jody 2013-05-09 17:10:00
    - So do I. by ER 2013-05-09 19:34:47
      - What about the child? by Jody 2013-05-10 10:07:04
- When I was a kid, it would have been unthinkable to tell off a teacher. by ER 2013-05-09 06:19:24
  - You were a kid in post WWII and Korea. by Jody 2013-05-10 10:07:58
    - Just for the record... by ER 2013-05-10 13:29:15
  - I don't know the back story, wish I did. I think he did well. The teacher missed an excellent opportunity ... by Jody 2013-05-09 08:33:21
    - The view from abroad. by ER 2013-05-09 10:53:43
      - You aware of the undercurrent of revolution concerning the idiocy of standardized testing? Wow...I wasn't. The tide is turning. I took one ... by Jody 2013-05-09 11:21:54
        
        I have little patience with modern educational practices... by ER 2013-05-09 11:35:49
        
        No patience with our youth? by Jody 2013-05-10 10:08:39
        
        Times change. Method of operations change. Evolution. by Jody 2013-05-09 13:58:00
      - Robert the Red, or Bolshie Bob, by ER 2013-05-09 11:12:49

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