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Calling for a "declaration of national emergency" by TB October 14, 2011 4:10 pm

Military advisors into Uganda by TB October 14, 2011 1:46 pm

I realize the Zone's right-wing Realpolitik pundits have been busy worrying about other things lately, but the Chinese have been ... by ER 2011-10-15 07:34:23
- Anybody who thinks ER would have written that for a Republican president, especially that last paragraph, twinkles up, please! by TB 2011-10-15 07:42:22
  - Ah, yes. Can't beat me on the facts. So shoot the messenger. 8) by ER 2011-10-15 07:44:14
    - "Ah, yes. Can’t beat me on the facts. So shoot the messenger." by TB 2011-10-15 07:59:43
      - "Head exploding?" What a colorful, and yes, Conservative metaphor. No Tom. I've seen this coming. For ... by ER 2011-10-15 09:27:49
        
        That song lyric is almost fifty years old. by TB 2011-10-15 10:00:33
        
        Yeah, and it was prophetic, wasn't it? by ER 2011-10-15 10:54:58
        
        By the way, who the heck do you think "people like me" actually are? by TB 2011-10-15 11:16:35
        
        You got it, Tom. If things didn't work out for you, it wasn't my fault. "Self-employed entrepreneurs don’t get unemployment ... by ER 2011-10-15 11:50:50
        
        You didn't pay much. by TB 2011-10-15 12:12:44
        
        Like I said. I don't make the rules, but I play by the rules. But I don't like ... by ER 2011-10-15 12:24:40
        
        I sympathize. by TB 2011-10-15 12:42:35
        
        To the mousie, it don't matter who's at fault. And by the time you get your new instructions, its ... by ER 2011-10-15 13:09:59
        
        Of course it's not your fault. by TB 2011-10-15 11:58:16
        
        As with the other song you posted, the lyrics are basically senseless rhythm. He was going for "Beat" back ... by TB 2011-10-15 11:06:10
        
        Well maybe you should try listening to it again. This time, listen to the words. I'm not the one who's ... by ER 2011-10-15 11:19:30
        
        P.S. by TB 2011-10-15 11:17:53
        
        Government deficit spending isn't the only form of national self-indulgence, waste and greed. It's just the one the Right ... by ER 2011-10-15 13:16:26
        
        "Profit" has a meaning. It means there's more wealth at the end than you started with. Even somebody ... by TB 2011-10-15 14:25:55
        
        Hey, weren't we talking about what a swell idea it was to put troops into Africa? by TB 2011-10-15 14:28:27
        
        THey have diamonds there. by ER 2011-10-15 14:35:03
        
        Mostly Uganda has coffee. by TB 2011-10-15 14:53:39
Now what could possibly go wrong with that? by ER 2011-10-14 15:56:09
- You have to admire him for trying to please everybody. I'm not sure if it was the right or left but ... by FrankC 2011-10-14 17:27:04
Wiley Coyote would know better than that. What the hell is that guy trying to do, destroy Bush's legacy??!! Arf by bowser 2011-10-14 14:06:08
- Might be fishing for another Peace Prize. by TB 2011-10-14 15:44:02
  - Suicide watch for our resident extremists. by FrankC 2011-10-14 15:47:51

9-9-9 = a bigger piece of your pie by Eri October 13, 2011 11:42 am

We are in the midst of a recession caused by reducing taxes on the wealthy, their investment in hedge funds, ... by bowser 2011-10-13 13:21:44
- "We are in the midst of a recession caused by reducing taxes on the wealthy, their investment in hedge funds, ... by TB 2011-10-13 15:41:50
  - What amazes me is the Conservatives' ability to blind themselves to the Real World. As they chop holes in ... by Eri 2011-10-13 17:52:22
    - Remarkable. It's like watching Neo doing "bullet time." by TB 2011-10-13 18:39:59
- Belongs under TB just below, will move after lunch. by bowser 2011-10-13 13:23:00
As for taxes, I have my own issues with Cain's specifics, although his principles are right. by TB 2011-10-13 12:32:03
- "Consumption" taxes are inherently unstable by RobVG 2011-10-14 18:11:00
  - Yeah, but incomes tend to dry up during an economic downturn, too. States with income taxes aren't getting the ... by TB 2011-10-14 18:51:53
    - If someone perceives that they might possibly lose their job at some point in the future, that's usually enough to ... by RobVG 2011-10-15 10:28:31
      - There are over six million fewer private employees paying income tax today than there were in January of 2008. ... by TB 2011-10-15 10:42:55
And yet Cain is currently very popular among Tea Party supporters, conservatives, and Republicans in the South. by TB 2011-10-13 11:54:12
- The Tea Party just loves green. "If you're a corporation, own a small business or count yourself among the ... by bowser 2011-10-13 12:17:42

Google map of "Occupy" protests by Robert October 12, 2011 4:24 pm

Just for completeness: The House midterms for 2010 by county. by TB 2011-10-14 12:24:20
- See my comment to ER on this thread concerning lying with maps. Take Colorado for example. I don't have the ... by podrock 2011-10-14 20:56:44
  - Well, of course the population density of the blue areas is greater. Elections come out pretty even, don't they? ... by TB 2011-10-15 06:25:02
  - I uploaded a png for red/blue counties by population in the media library. It didn't display on my first try. ... by FrankC 2011-10-14 22:53:56
Human communities may fracture under stress, but they rarely crumble to nothingness. The fall of Rome taught us that. ... by ER 2011-10-13 18:01:08
- I wouldn't posit "nothingness" either. by Robert 2011-10-14 09:13:05
  - Socially, we're up to it. Technologically, I don't know. As I have pointed out earlier, unlike the Roman ... by ER 2011-10-14 12:01:12
    - Red and Blue used to alternate from election to election with the graphics from the major news networks. It wasn't ... by podrock 2011-10-14 20:40:21
      - That's pretty obvious but boots on the ground counts for something by FrankC 2011-10-14 21:13:38
    - The mainstream media changed the colors prior to the 2000 election. Ask them. by TB 2011-10-14 12:09:50
      - Red vs Blue? Well, at least you found something in that post worth commenting about. No doubt it was ... by ER 2011-10-14 12:21:42
        
        Well, the rest of the post was just more of the apocalyptic nuttiness you and the others are soaking in. I ... by TB 2011-10-14 15:06:24
This isn't it, and I believe there is a revolution brewing. Briefly, there are six contributing factors. First, the increase ... by bowser 2011-10-13 00:16:07
- Nice that the two of you aren't trying to drown the conversation in the bathtub. by Robert 2011-10-13 11:06:24
  - "Human communities" post moved to front of this thread. by ER 2011-10-13 18:06:15
    - If you misplace a post, it's easy to move it in the current system (basically erase the old one and ... by TB 2011-10-13 18:46:14
      - Unless, of course, the moved post has been replied to, then it is a whole different matter. A couple of ... by podrock 2011-10-13 19:23:02
        
        I've been a little loose about marking edits. I have a time period of about three minutes after I ... by TB 2011-10-13 19:29:20
        
        Sort of like the "five second rule" about dropped food. Fine with me, as long as it is fine with ... by podrock 2011-10-13 19:55:52
        
        I have been drifting down the threads and "trimming" some of my old comments by using the paragraph command to ... by TB 2011-10-15 12:23:04
  - An interesting synthesis of our two posts, with a reasonable proposal to avoid the most dire of our outcomes. ... by bowser 2011-10-13 17:48:30
    - Ouch: Comparing me to The Conceder? by Robert 2011-10-14 08:59:20
      - This post takes me completely by surprise. First, I admire Obama enormously, for his patience, for his efforts to ... by bowser 2011-10-14 12:28:19
        
        "Jingoism?" "Majority?" Can we get a count on that? by TB 2011-10-14 12:41:10
        
        Not on this board, TB. Heck, my post above stands a high risk of being edited. But I ... by bowser 2011-10-14 12:53:53
        
        Friend, nobody here is screwing with anybody else's posts. Nobody is likely to. Buck did a couple of ... by TB 2011-10-14 13:23:59
        
        Gee, TB. You say it's not done, not likely to be done, and has been done. And I know it's ... by bowser 2011-10-14 14:01:10
        
        If someone has changed or clipped a post of yours on this board without your permission, flag it, tell us ... by TB 2011-10-14 14:11:00
  - Basically you're talking large scale gerrymandering by TB 2011-10-13 11:46:30
    - Impressive how you manage to shoehorn the end of America into conventional partisan terms. by Robert 2011-10-14 09:28:29
      - You propose dividing the nation up specifically by political ideology and are surprised by the idea that these "nations" would ... by TB 2011-10-14 09:46:54
        
        No I didn't. by Robert 2011-10-14 11:27:00
        
        Sorry, now you're just ducking and weaving. by TB 2011-10-14 11:46:23
        
        P.S. by TB 2011-10-14 10:26:23
- I've often disagreed with many of your posts, feeling they were a bit too extreme for my views, but I ... by ER 2011-10-13 05:56:36
Okay, let me see if I'm following this right: by TB 2011-10-12 17:22:47
"Map of US Militias"> by FrankC 2011-10-12 16:56:41
- Scale problem by Robert 2011-10-12 17:15:38
  - Try this map. Feel free to zoom in on the cities. by TB 2011-10-12 18:34:01
    - LOL by FrankC 2011-10-12 19:14:32
  - A scale problem...you got that right. by Lee 2011-10-12 18:02:50

Horror in Caracas by TB October 12, 2011 4:26 pm

I cannot believe it has come to this... by Eri October 11, 2011 10:58 pm

Well, I can tell you I've found two ways to make it. First, I'm going to sue the Roman ... by bowser 2011-10-12 16:11:20
- In my book, "casino" tribes have earned, the hard way, a significant right to strip a load of wealth off ... by TB 2011-10-12 17:30:01
- This guy wants to join a class action with you by FrankC 2011-10-12 16:40:02
  - Well, ol' buddy, a unilateral ceasefire is still a ceasefire, isn't it? :-) Arf by bowser 2011-10-12 23:32:49
In a society where money is everything, people will do anything to get it. It's not that the rules ... by ER 2011-10-12 04:57:59

The Kraken? by Lee October 11, 2011 4:01 pm

Release it!! by TB 2011-10-11 21:17:59

Following the jobs by Eri October 11, 2011 6:41 am

In 2010 over a million people came into this country - legally. by TB 2011-10-11 08:24:43

Incomes fall, despite end to recession by Eri October 10, 2011 5:08 am

Early on Republicans vowed to sabotage anything Obama proposed. Anything. Some of them even suggested killing him. But no ... by bowser 2011-10-10 20:02:02
Incomes have been falling pretty steadily since the early 80s. Bush II may have accellerated the slide, and Obama ... by ER 2011-10-10 09:45:44
- You have to keep the employment situation in perspective. The unemployment rate is bad now because there are so ... by TB 2011-10-10 10:22:07
  - So when Obama says jobs are being created even though the unemployment rate hasn't budged, he is to be believed, ... by ER 2011-10-10 10:32:13
    - Excellent point about women in the workforce. In fact, go here and click (near the bottom) on "male and ... by TB 2011-10-10 10:38:42
It's pretty simple. by RobVG 2011-10-10 09:01:45
Joe Scarborough used to be an up-and-coming Conservative congressman, the darling of the Right, their Great White Hope for the ... by ER 2011-10-10 06:46:05
- Every time I watch him, I enjoy him. He makes a lot of sense and doesn't seem to have ... by Eri 2011-10-10 15:21:54
- Thanks ER!!! I will be listening. by Jody 2011-10-10 08:16:57

From the CBO: The 2011 deficit by TB October 9, 2011 3:24 pm

Keeping the economy afloat after the Bush tax cuts and Bush wars has been expensive, hasn't it. Instead of ... by bowser 2011-10-09 22:48:41

Wow.... by Jody October 9, 2011 10:43 am

Jesse Ventura for President! Wouldn't it be fun to have indedpendents elected to a Congressional and Senate Super Majority. Maybe ... by Eri 2011-10-09 11:39:50
I love it! by ER 2011-10-09 11:02:57
- I missed something. Where did "one percenter" come from? by TB 2011-10-09 12:11:49
  - THe protesters. in their placards and literature, have characterized themselves as "the 99%" who are failing to prosper from the ... by ER 2011-10-09 12:36:04
- Here's a preview. by ER 2011-10-09 11:20:18
  - Cain using the word *jealous* really hit a grittin' my teeth chord with me. Not all of us feel that ... by Jody 2011-10-09 11:53:58
    - One of the things I heard him say on TV yesterday (I tried to find it on the web to ... by ER 2011-10-09 12:16:57
      - Just curious - have you checked out Cain's biography? by TB 2011-10-09 18:05:22
        
        Yes. He seems like a very capable and exceptional man, one capable of clawing his way to the top no ... by ER 2011-10-09 19:56:34
        
        Professional politicians are the ones who stop at nothing to claw their way to the top. by TB 2011-10-09 21:11:36
        
        Ouch! by ER 2011-10-10 06:10:26
        
        Heh. by TB 2011-10-10 08:47:16
        
        I always love it when you open a post with "Heh". It's a lot like the redoubtable "Nice Try." ... by ER 2011-10-10 09:14:53
        
        You "exploded" nothing, at least as far as real refutation is concerned, i.e. bringing evidence that counters mine. It ... by TB 2011-10-10 09:50:36
        
        Yep! I hit a nerve, alright. by ER 2011-10-10 10:08:33
        
        Um...so you didn't explode my meme because you were never trying to? I'm confused now. by TB 2011-10-10 10:27:58
        
        P.S. John Hancock was a rich capitalist who owned and ran a shipping company. :) by TB 2011-10-10 10:00:45
        
        He was also a criminal and an opportuist, and by the laws of his King, a traitor. John Hancock was a ... by ER 2011-10-10 10:12:47
        
        You forget I'm a libertarian. In that world, "smuggler" is often a resume-enhancer. :) by TB 2011-10-10 10:33:39
        
        "...East Indian prices were cut before the introduction of the three pence tax, in effect making its price, even with ... by ER 2011-10-10 10:43:39
        
        It wasn't just the Townsend Revenue Act, there was the Sugar Act, the Stamp Act, the Currency Act, and others. ... by TB 2011-10-10 11:02:59
        
        That's bullshit, Tom. Especially that rightwing slur about liberals wanting to give their money to the state. No, ... by ER 2011-10-10 11:45:17
        
        As for Canada, it seems kind of complicated. by TB 2011-10-10 12:26:40
        
        No, liberals believe in having someone else pay their bills. Conservatives think the bills shouldn't be so damn high. You ... by TB 2011-10-10 12:21:04
        
        Tom, the Revolution was fought by guys who stole land from the Indians and brought slaves in to work it ... by ER 2011-10-10 12:49:05
        
        Yeah, and the guys we were rebelling against were trying to colonize half the planet. The founders of our ... by TB 2011-10-10 14:20:29
        
        a distrust and dislike of a certain personality type and personal bombast. yep....you nailed it for me. by Jody 2011-10-10 08:18:56
        
        Anyway, Cain is no more likely to be the nominee at this point than anyone else in the race. by TB 2011-10-09 21:14:53
      - The next President of the United States. Let's make sure that doesn't happen. by Eri 2011-10-09 17:49:11

Democrats are all about spending... by BuckGalaxy October 9, 2011 2:03 am

Corrected chart: by TB 2011-10-09 14:39:30
- So why are we counting 2009 for Obama again when it was Bush's budget? Why are we ignoring in ... by BuckGalaxy 2011-10-09 15:52:08
Okay... by TB 2011-10-09 08:40:45
- So politifact objects to counting 2009 to Bush? That was HIS budget. Do you recall your own little ... by BuckGalaxy 2011-10-09 10:52:46
I respect your post Buck...but having been a Zoner for almost five years now, I have learned how to be ... by Jody 2011-10-09 07:06:45
- Thanks for the update to your comment Jody. :-) by BuckGalaxy 2011-10-09 13:17:01
  - ...YOU HAVE BEEN VERY NAUGHTY Buck! You need a spanking....a very progressive spanking...awoka woka...;) by Jody 2011-10-09 13:48:04
- You might put yourself down at times but you were the one with the brains to know something was wrong n/t by RobVG 2011-10-09 11:18:55
- Jody, there is nothing new about this data, google "Government deficits, graphs" and see for yourself. It's just that ... by ER 2011-10-09 08:27:17
  - We've been over this. Several times. by TB 2011-10-09 11:17:01
    - Yeah Tom. "We've been over this, several times." Sure, everybody's lying except you. Maybe I just like my graphs ... by ER 2011-10-09 11:42:49
You're wasting your time, this is the third graph I've seen here displaying the same data, from separate sources, and ... by ER 2011-10-09 05:14:02

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