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GUYS!!! THE ZONE IS LIVE!!!!!! RobVG September 7, 2026 11:47 pm (CurrentEvents)

Mars Mirage podrock June 18, 2026 4:37 pm (Space/Science)

Thomas Friedman NYT - Trump Put His Own Interests Above All in the Iran Deal BuckGalaxy June 19, 2026 11:42 am (Flame)

Trump's "Total Victory" in Iran BuckGalaxy June 17, 2026 12:53 am (CurrentEvents)

Dividing up the World RobVG May 15, 2026 12:56 pm (CurrentEvents)

1700 free online university courses BuckGalaxy June 10, 2026 8:58 pm (Off-Topic)

Rant about anti-Israel hate BuckGalaxy June 13, 2026 2:45 pm (Flame)

The old king--Bob Dylan at 80. ER June 14, 2026 4:19 pm (Off-Topic)

The Platner Disaster, plus... BuckGalaxy June 9, 2026 1:43 pm (Flame)

I saw "Disclosure Day" today. ER June 12, 2026 8:00 pm (Science Fiction)

Sigh. podrock June 10, 2026 12:29 pm (CurrentEvents)

Starship Troopers on the Moon BuckGalaxy June 2, 2026 2:51 pm (Space/Science)

In Kim's death, an extensive intelligence failure by bowser December 19, 2011 11:08 pm

It's a war, the other side fights back. You win some and you lose some, and some are rained ... by ER 2011-12-20 05:15:58
- I couldn't agree with you more. What concerns me is the magnitude of some of these failures and the ... by bowser 2011-12-20 06:46:38
  - Remember, we don't hear about all the defeats. And we don't hear about all the victories, either. We only ... by ER 2011-12-20 07:14:44
    - ENIGMA was prior to the CIA. There are wins, losses, and ties. What I'm saying that's not heard ... by bowser 2011-12-20 10:54:05

One of many places the profit motive is obscene. by bowser December 18, 2011 2:45 am

According to one source, by TB 2011-12-18 13:03:06
- "The utopians create a government money sugar fountain". Not for profit hospice is not a "government money sugar fountain". ... by bowser 2011-12-18 13:34:21
  - What I meant is that when government money is flowing from the tap, and competition for customer money isn't part ... by TB 2011-12-18 14:59:13
  - Walked right into that one TB n/t by RobVG 2011-12-18 14:24:04
    - Yep. That's what's called a "broadside". by ER 2011-12-18 14:41:10
The profit motive IS obscene, but we are stuck with it. At best we can manage it, to mitigate its ... by ER 2011-12-18 05:37:42

Paterno and Sandusky by FrankC December 16, 2011 12:50 pm

I think there is a big difference between a homosexual and a pedophile. n/t by RobVG 2011-12-16 16:46:16
- I should have included something to that effect. Sandusky is indeed a homosexual and he is a pedophile and probably should ... by FrankC 2011-12-16 19:07:30
- Good point that shouldn't be lost. Pedophilia is pedophilia regardless of the gender of attraction. by Robert 2011-12-16 18:29:06
The percentage of homosexuals in the population has probably never changed much throughout history, neither has that of pedophiles and ... by ER 2011-12-16 13:40:46
- Name an industry that isn't. It is the way of all things. ...and so it goes. We are not made to ... by Jody 2011-12-16 15:04:00

A problem with reading Cheney's book. by bowser December 15, 2011 7:25 pm

You mean, "How to shoot friends and torture people"? by BuckGalaxy 2011-12-17 17:09:42
I picked up Rummy's "Knowns and Unknowns" at the library yesterday. Maybe when we're done we should swap books and ... by Robert 2011-12-16 10:18:02
A tax credit on yachts actually happened, a few years back. It started off just the opposite, a 10% ... by ER 2011-12-15 20:37:15
- The Yacht Tax was passed in 1990. by TB 2011-12-16 15:10:52

Lest we forget. by bowser December 15, 2011 12:12 am

Yeah, that was a foolish thing to say but it wasn't his first flub. But as far as "defeat" goes ... by RobVG 2011-12-15 09:58:53
- I truly wish that was just a "flub". It wasn't. Bush repeatedly lied to con the American public ... by bowser 2011-12-15 12:39:40
- It's not Bush touting our victories right now. by TB 2011-12-15 10:50:39
  - George Bush made a lot of promises regarding Iraq prior to 2008. He was going to destroy Al-Quaeda, crush the Taliban ... by ER 2011-12-15 11:49:46
    - Obama says Iraq is a great success. Take it up with him. by TB 2011-12-15 12:17:44
      - Don't take my word for it. Listen to a man who actually helped plan the Bush/Cheney Iraq invasion. by ER 2011-12-15 12:34:16
        
        Again: by TB 2011-12-15 13:17:07
        
        P.S. by TB 2011-12-15 13:43:12
        
        You won't believe this. And I'll try to type long enough to get it out of the heading. ... by bowser 2011-12-15 13:03:43
        
        This from someone who doesn't even read a lot of my posts. by TB 2011-12-15 13:26:07
        
        Of course... by TB 2011-12-15 13:53:07
        
        It would be completely naive to suggest Obama started with a clean slate, as you try to imply over and ... by bowser 2011-12-15 15:53:39
        
        Nobody was talking about Obama's "slate." by TB 2011-12-15 16:08:10
        
        What WAS he supposed to tell those troops? The truth? That the whole Iraq war was naked agression based ... by ER 2011-12-15 17:32:30
        
        Ah. He was lying in his teeth. by TB 2011-12-17 11:54:01
        
        Don't you mean the Makaka press conference? 8) by ER 2011-12-17 12:59:18

Grazing rights by RobVG December 13, 2011 8:44 pm

BLM leases are a subsidy to large ranchers who treat the property as their own. This group is almost ... by bowser 2011-12-13 22:16:45
- The government has a long history of allowing access to public land at far lower prices than such access would ... by TB 2011-12-14 10:39:06
- Property treatment by RobVG 2011-12-14 10:33:19
- Remember James Watt, (the Republican Interior Secretary, not the Scottish physicist)? It's the same old story, the government develops and manages ... by ER 2011-12-14 07:15:02

another, as accurate by bowser December 11, 2011 3:15 pm

It's really not all that surprising that the GOP candidates for the nomination come across as a pack of embarassing ... by ER 2011-12-11 16:49:49
- I think there's a basic assumption which is optimistic. That is that the Republicans want to solve problems. ... by bowser 2011-12-11 20:24:07
  - I don't think its fair to say that about all Republicans, or Conservatives. Many, if not most, are sincere, ... by ER 2011-12-11 20:42:08
    - It's important to forget the rhetoric and watch what they do. When that is done there is no ambiguity. by bowser 2011-12-11 21:52:42
      - Good advice. Apply it widely. by TB 2011-12-11 21:57:34
        
        You are absolutely correct. It should be applied to everyone, all the time, no matter how much it hurts ... by bowser 2011-12-11 22:00:22

Metaphor for the Republican Primary by TB December 10, 2011 6:34 pm

As we listen to the media tell us how goofy the Republican presidential field is, it's worth reflecting on the ... by Jody 2011-12-10 21:10:53
I disagree. The process does look like a clown car caper, but I'm not sure the typical Democratic field ... by ER 2011-12-10 20:46:50
- It's the Circular Firing Squad that's annoying me right now. This should be so damn easy. For the ... by TB 2011-12-10 21:33:15

I was talking with a friend tonight. by bowser December 10, 2011 3:24 am

I love ya, Bowz, but I feel compelled to intervene. You're just wrong. And you're wrong for the ... by ER 2011-12-10 07:36:59
- I believe if that post is read more carefully you wouldn't find it to be judgmental except in the sense ... by bowser 2011-12-10 11:37:22
  - And a PS. My problem with the firebombings at this point is that the US does not acknowledge them, ... by bowser 2011-12-10 13:03:19
  - The definition of "black and white thinking" seems to be somewhat vague. With observation over time and context here, ... by TB 2011-12-10 12:47:17
    - Here's a perfect example. In a perfect world the US could take the lead, as the richest nation, farthest ... by bowser 2011-12-10 15:57:03
      - I didn't see anything in that article that implied that the main problem was the United States not knowing how ... by TB 2011-12-10 17:42:32
        
        Per capita, the only reasonable measure, the US wins hands down. And the US didn't compromise, did it? ... by bowser 2011-12-10 23:44:50
        
        Reasonable? by RobVG 2011-12-12 19:35:41
    - The conservative intelligentsia strikes back! by ER 2011-12-10 13:31:03
      - Yeah, kind of like that. by TB 2011-12-10 13:42:41
    - With all due respect, I don't think it's vague at all. Examples of it are the Tea Party's refusal ... by bowser 2011-12-10 13:13:21

Another assurance from mega-corporations bites the dust, with predictable responses. by bowser December 8, 2011 11:23 pm

Inhofe is a mouthpiece for the energy industry. by ER 2011-12-09 06:32:28

580,000 bombing runs, one run every 9 minutes for 10 years, over 2,000,000 tons of bombs. by bowser December 5, 2011 4:39 pm

Sad by RobVG 2011-12-06 11:28:40
- Re: WWII. The only action I can remember criticizing is the use of the atomic bomb. It ... by bowser 2011-12-07 00:00:30
  - Firestorm bombings of Dresden and Tokyo. n/t by RobVG 2011-12-07 10:17:12
    - You are absolutely right. And those of other cities. At that point the war was won and those ... by bowser 2011-12-07 10:22:22
      - War Over? by RobVG 2011-12-07 11:27:49
        
        I said the war was won, not over. Doolittle's raid on various areas of Japan was not what one ... by bowser 2011-12-07 12:33:48
        
        The battle of Berlin began after the bombing of Dresen. Answer this against your charge. Save 911 for another day. Leave the ... by RobVG 2011-12-07 18:56:27
        
        Since when is protesting the slaughter of innocent civilians, Jewish, Christian, Muslim, Hindu, Buddhist, etc., "simply fucked up" except to ... by bowser 2011-12-07 23:44:28
        
        Listen, you’re not the only one capable of empathy. by RobVG 2011-12-09 20:28:30
        
        This gets more and more juvenile. You said that the Dresden firebombings of civilians helped the 6 million Jews ... by bowser 2011-12-10 00:22:02
        
        That's not what I said by RobVG 2011-12-10 11:59:11
- "Do you feel the threat of Communism was a lie? Eastern Europe and was under it’s contol and China adopted ... by bowser 2011-12-06 16:21:40

Turning Off the Incandescent Light Bulb by bowser December 5, 2011 12:18 pm

A bright, shiny lure, well placed, trolled beautifully, and TB didn't bite. Oh, for the good old days. And congratulations ... by bowser 2011-12-05 22:10:33

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